Okamiden
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RT on the bottom ez
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regawdless
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Regarding your first sentence:
I don't think that's the case.
My current observations are the following - I can be wrong of course, but I see a pattern.
It's currently an absolute high end feature and the cards that make it playable are expensive. But I don't see many 3080 and 3090 owners saying raytracing isn't worth the hit. Because you can play current games with raytracing at 60fps with all the bells and whistles, which is very good. And it makes a huge difference.
Most people who say that it's not worth it are AMD owners or/and have weaker cards, thus can't even really make the decision if to raytrace or not. Feels like downplaying because they can't have it. Like console players saying no one needs raytracing, now loosing their shit because Spider-Man has it.
Doesn't apply to everyone of course, just a trend that I'm seeing. But for me personally, raytracing - if integrated well like in Control or Cyberpunk - is incredible and I can't take anyone seriously who says that it's not worth it. Especially if you still can run the games at 60fps.
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Okamiden
Member
Still, 399$ console is able to render AAA game in 1440p 60fps with RT.
Jigsaah
Gold Member
bottom is rtx on, no wait...hmmm
Can You Tell Which One Is Which?
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LordOfChaos
Member
The one with the visibly lower framerate lol
I think option 2. It's subtle at times but the road made me think so.
I think option 2. It's subtle at times but the road made me think so.
regawdless
Banned
The PS5 achieves great results for it's hardware and is the best bang for the buck in existence, at least from my perspective.
But we need to be realistic about it's raytracing. Spider-Man only uses very limited RT reflections with significant shortcuts. It's not comparable to the multitude of raytracing effects that Cyberpunk uses.
But that's a different discussion.
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
When in doubt, look for the game that has the most puddles. That'll be the RT game.
Even if the game's plot is in a desert, there will surely be a giant mirror reflection puddle somewhere in the dunes. Or somehow a coconut with RT can now reflect your face off it.
Next time you're walking or driving and it's rainy or the snow just melted creating big puddles, try to see if a reflection is even 20% of a video game RT reflection. Probably won't be.
Even if the game's plot is in a desert, there will surely be a giant mirror reflection puddle somewhere in the dunes. Or somehow a coconut with RT can now reflect your face off it.
Next time you're walking or driving and it's rainy or the snow just melted creating big puddles, try to see if a reflection is even 20% of a video game RT reflection. Probably won't be.
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Insane Metal
Member
Option 2 looks better and has RT in all cases IMO.
Denton
Member
Maybe you need LASIK, I can recommend it from experience. Open the two shots in separate tabs and click between them. Which looks more realistic? The one with flat lighting, or the one where darker areas are actually darker because of the diffused raytraced GI?
Hawking Radiation
Member
To me the differences seem so minor that I would leave it off to gain extra framerate.If someone does not see the difference, then they are blind, and possibly an idiot.
The above examples display very small differences. I dunno, maybe i'm not used to playing ray traced games.
Buggy Loop
Member
"Alright guys, so probably not as easy as you thought that was gonna be.."
"Do you really think Nvidia should be banking their entire business model on a feature that you really can't see the difference in?"
Oh youtubers..
Nvidia's business clearly shifted to AI and they are banking on it, that's for sure.
"Do you really think Nvidia should be banking their entire business model on a feature that you really can't see the difference in?"
Oh youtubers..
Nvidia's business clearly shifted to AI and they are banking on it, that's for sure.
Barakov
Member
DLSS 2.0 is already providing tangible benefits in the games that has support for it. I'm hoping more games add it in the future."Alright guys, so probably not as easy as you thought that was gonna be.."
"Do you really think Nvidia should be banking their entire business model on a feature that you really can't see the difference in?"
Oh youtubers..
Nvidia's business clearly shifted to AI and they are banking on it, that's for sure.
regawdless
Banned
That's either bait or agenda driven ignorance. The difference in stuff like Control with full RT vs off is bigger than any other graphics settings in that game for example.
The people who liked your post also showed their ridiculous bias.
Why are you people fighting the biggest visual effects in years? I don't get it.
We have the same opinion. I just wonder how you assumed I was of the opposite opinion based on a discussion of the merits of RT where all examples given were hiding the truth. I merely pointed that out.
you guys scan for the speech and if you detect some keywords, I am cataloged has "nvidia fanboy"? Discussing truths has nothing to do with "sides".
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Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
yeah one picture the framerate is 82 and on the other it's fuckedIf someone does not see the difference, then they are blind, and possibly an idiot.
thelastword
Banned
RT will be worth it when it becomes highly performant. The atrocious framerate decline for these minimal differences in visuals is not worth it.
I think we should hold on for Vulkan RT, that should be revolutionary and highly performant. There we will get the perf we need at native resolutions instead of DLSS which has many IQ issues still...
I think we should hold on for Vulkan RT, that should be revolutionary and highly performant. There we will get the perf we need at native resolutions instead of DLSS which has many IQ issues still...
Jibran#one
Member
In my opinion rtx is a scam, the amount of benifit it provides for the amount of performance drop it takes is just not worth it.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
Some people don't even know what the real world looks like. They think perfect reflections in puddles are a gimmick and not the way puddles work. They think a flat looking image where everything has the same lighting and shading looks the same as a raytraced image where every object actually looks like it exists in the world and isn't just "floating".
Some people need new eyes lmao
Some people need new eyes lmao
Bernd Lauert
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thelastword
Banned
What is this, where is this from? How about we wait for newer games built with AMD hardware in mind...This game was probably ported to vulkan with no optimization for the new card and still has the legacy Nvidia RTX code......The Vulkan raytracing extensions was just released to devs in November, you think a demo would be in good state already. Even Cyberpunk does not support RT on AMD hardware yet.....That Quake 2 RT was built with Nvidia in mind, lets wait for ground up games that were not....
Vulkan RT doesn't save RDNA2 from being shit at raytracing.
For some reason, Nvidia's go to game is Quake and Control. Also is the Nvidia card using DLSS? I put nothing pass Nvidia..
llien
Member
It is a game written by NV, it's more of a feature that it doesn't work well on competitor (and no, just seeing the code doesn't help).
Dirt 5, WD:L show that "NV is faster at RT" is, to put it softly, a premature take.
regawdless
Banned
Dude what are you doing. This is the fifth time I'm correcting you. WD L was bugged and the benchmarks are not representative. It used settings below the lowest PC settings.
Stop spreading that lie already. What's wrong with you? Like seriously, you have some kind of condition.
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KungFucius
King Snowflake
As a recent RTX card owner, I am fine with paying a little more for nice reflections. Shadows look better too. I don't know what the problem is really. It's diminishing returns, but I'd rather have the cherry on top instead of being the type that says they can't tell the difference when it is pretty obvious.
I don’t get why so many people are skipping over the fact that by and large, rt is made for developers and marketed to consumers.
Developers can get way more benefit from it by dramatically shortening the development pipeline and eliminating pre baked assets. This kind of shit is revolutionary.
Nothing I’ve seen so far on the consumer facing side, I.e. visuals, have anywhere near the same level of impact - aside from the negative performance impact.
Developers can get way more benefit from it by dramatically shortening the development pipeline and eliminating pre baked assets. This kind of shit is revolutionary.
Nothing I’ve seen so far on the consumer facing side, I.e. visuals, have anywhere near the same level of impact - aside from the negative performance impact.
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Bernd Lauert
Banned
Not really. AMD can do raytraced shadows pretty well, but that about sums it up. As soon as you have raytraced reflections or GI/AO, the AMD performance drops by a ton.
regawdless
Banned
Guess my eyes are damaged. For me, Control and Cyberpunk looks drastically better.
regawdless
Banned
It was just a dig at the selective footage from that "comparison" video.
And how did they completely ignored the non RT mode? Still looks very good without it.
Cr1ptkeeper
Member
I'm sorry but this video is really bad.
You can't show 2 short clips of a game and ask, which one has raytracing.
Not all games have the same raytracing implimentations. So first you've got to know what they are using raytracing for in a specific game.
If the game is using RT shadows you've got no more shadow pop-in which is huge in my opinion. If they are using RT reflections you may not notice it while driving but you will notice it while walking.
Also, so, if you pay this guy an amount of dollars per month you can send him messages and he'll reply?! Why would anyone pay 10$ a month to be able to send a random stranger messages and (probably) get a generic reply back. Why??
I mean, it's not that he as valuable information or something. Years of expertise on a subject so you have to pay to make use of that expertise.
Maybe I'm just too old to understand it
You can't show 2 short clips of a game and ask, which one has raytracing.
Not all games have the same raytracing implimentations. So first you've got to know what they are using raytracing for in a specific game.
If the game is using RT shadows you've got no more shadow pop-in which is huge in my opinion. If they are using RT reflections you may not notice it while driving but you will notice it while walking.
Also, so, if you pay this guy an amount of dollars per month you can send him messages and he'll reply?! Why would anyone pay 10$ a month to be able to send a random stranger messages and (probably) get a generic reply back. Why??
I mean, it's not that he as valuable information or something. Years of expertise on a subject so you have to pay to make use of that expertise.
Maybe I'm just too old to understand it
Ascend
Member
That's quite the requirement for something that is guaranteed to tank your performance, independent of whether you can tell the difference or not, or whether it is in noticeable spots or not.
Lot's of YouTubers work like that nowadays. The ones that like the content, freely donate some money to support them.Also, so, if you pay this guy an amount of dollars per month you can send him messages and he'll reply?! Why would anyone pay 10$ a month to be able to send a random stranger messages and (probably) get a generic reply back. Why??
I mean, it's not that he as valuable information or something. Years of expertise on a subject so you have to pay to make use of that expertise.
Maybe I'm just too old to understand it
It's a lot better than paying a monthly TV subscription to be brainwashed by CNN or Fox.
Mithos
Member
Seen better looking games that do not have rt modes at all, then the no rt mode in Control, they didnt bother because "sell RTX cards the game".
And demon souls, horizon and god of war look substantially better than both, and none of those have RT.
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Bernd Lauert
Banned
BluRayHiDef
Banned
I cannot speak in regard to Demon's Souls because I have not bought it yet. However, I can say that Horizon Zero Dawn - even on PS5 - does not look better than Control on PC or Cyberpunk 2077 on PC. As for God of War, it looks great, but it is very linear and certain sequences are very scripted; hence, it's not as impressive as Control on PC or Cyberpunk 2077 on PC.
regawdless
Banned
Ok now I understand where you're coming from. Enjoy your PS5, no need to feel insecure. It's a great console.
Ascend
Member
These games would look even better if they had RT.
That being said, some games that implement RT do not implement all the rasterization that they would have implemented otherwise. This makes the gap between RT and non-RT appear bigger.
Not to mention the performance hit would inevitably mean cutting some other corners to make the game run on the console. So they might indeed end up looking worse in some areas compared to pure rasterization, assuming the same hardware.
Amiga
Member
kuncol02
Banned
No, they don't. I will go even more with God of War and ask what amazing things people actually see in it's graphics? Terrible claustrophobic camera or levels build mostly from some sort of elements hiding constant loading of data, like slow walking sections, slow climbing or doors with animations of whatever that kid was called going first?
recursive
Member
Looks more like a comparison of tired and hungover with no makeup vs. ready to go out and party.Which one has raytraced shadows? (Description is included obviously, it's just an example how stupid that video is).
Mister Wolf
Gold Member
Ps5ProFoSho
Member
I really can't wait until "they" stop just shoving it in because of being a buzz word and actually utilize it to make beauty.
GT7 should be sick and I can't wait to see true next gen rockstar and naughty dog.
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