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[RUMOR] Paul Thurrott: Xbox 720 is expensive: $500 or $300 for sub model, 5/21 Unveil
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TwEE-N-Toast
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Well there is no real point in having a Microsoft account if there is no BC. Other then transferring your games from your broken 360 to a new one.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
Microsoft pulling a Sega? I hope not.
Not having a choice != gladly.
Iacobellis
Junior Member
Whoa, what if Microsoft did pull an Apple? Announcement a week or two prior to release would be insane.
GoofsterStud
Member
Achieves man! Achieves!
It's Micro$oft we're talking about here, so I wouldn't be so sure about it, haha.
K
kittens
Unconfirmed Member
I'm pretty sure he (Edit : By which I mean Thurrott) meant they're going to reveal it next month. I remeber there being confusion about this earlier in this thread.
More misunderstanding of basic information. LOL. It seems to be a theme with Durangi.
Very possible that it was a typo and they meant "unveil", or that the author was thinking along the lines of "release information to the public about it."
Or they're too used to phone/gadget releases that come within weeks of the unveil.
CouldBeWorse
Member
???
No one is forcing you to sign that contract. There are PLENTY of cheaper options out there if you don't want a contract and don't mind paying full price for your phone.
People are glad because they save $450 day one and are frankly ignorant of other lower cost options that are out there for their monthly service.
I honestly don't think you should be fine with it. I'm not saying that you must be against it to the point where you just wont buy it, but you should certainly be against it in principle. There might be several reasons to relase the console with native always-on drm, but none of those reasons benefit you as a consumer. All the things it might do to you as a consumer are negative things.
They really should try to make you want to be always on if they need you to be online that badly, but they should not force you.
So you really should be against it.
dreamcastmaster
Banned
Good reason? Xbox live no longer functions for original Xbox games, so any online game will be broken.
Having BC better ensures brand loyalty. Now that I know absolutely nothing I purchased on my 360 will do anything for me on the next Xbox, there is nothing tying me to that platform. Microsoft really had an opportunity to grab people who already have crap purchased on their Xbox live accounts. Now there is nothing to hold customers other than console features.
If I could have put my rock band 3 disc into the next one and played all the music I bought, I might have been inclined to stay with Microsoft. Now they have nothing to hold me so if their feature set doesn't please me, I'm jumping ship.
Beer Monkey
Member
Absolutely.
Wii U has BC (as do all Nintendo handhelds), and on PC most of what you buy will work for quite a few years to come with some tweaks and editing.. Durango and PS4 have a real 'fool me once, shame on you' feel right now. I have a massive backlog of digital delivery titles, and if both Sony and Microsoft want to tell me 'fuck you', then why shouldn't I leave?
I guess with PS3 Sony taught Microsoft that BC doesn't matter. They can go have their party, but I don't feel like coming. *shrug*
If Microsoft wants to emulate Sony on this BC abandonment, fuck em. I can't trade my digital library in, I should at least be able to play it.
Teletraan1
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As others have probably said before. Your connection is not always the issue. My internet wasn't out during the Sim City or Diablo 3 launches. I couldn't play with 100% certainty. The problem was on the other end. I highly doubt the system as rumored will out of the goodness of its heart let you play your game if it cant talk to the server. That would be too easily fooled if that was the case.
Insane Metal
Member
Yeah, clearly.
BLaZiN PRopHeT
Member
My guess 450/550 and a 300 subscription.
quickwhips
Member
I agree with you.
Always-honest
Banned
This.
twinturbo2
butthurt Heat fan
Which brings up another question. I can buy a 4GB X360S with Kinect bundle for $300, or the sensor alone for $110. How much would Kinect 2.0 cost to make? Isn't most of the processing going to be done within the console, like the current Kinect? It can't cost a bundle to make, can it?
comedy bomb
Banned
My next generation machine is the 3DS. That and the PS3 are gonna have to hold me over for a while.
GoofsterStud
Member
I thought the kinetic 2.0 was rumored to have it's own processor as well.
Anyone have details on this?
I'm pretty confident that none of the leaks have said if it would have a dedicated processing unit or what.
It's a pretty important point that either their sources haven't been privy to or they've looked over.
EDIT: Actually Kotaku said that it would have an on-board processor.
twinturbo2
butthurt Heat fan
Why does it need that? Shouldn't the Durango itself be powerful enough to do all that by itself?
Or is there something else at play?
ZackieChan
Member
If only you had some way to play that digital library...
Oh, just play it on the machine you bought it on!
Fuck everything, I'm sticking with old stuff except for the U and that's only because I already bought the thing. I don't want to spend $500 on anything right now and I don't want to be tied to some service for x amount of time just to get some dinky discount. I don't even think Live should exist since Nintendo and Sony aren't charging for online games or Netflix or Halo Waypoint! These games makers are alienating me and I'm not sure I care, at this point. I'll keep my SNES, Wii U, and PS3 fired up for free.
The beauty of a PC is that even if your PC is currently barely better than a PS3 in power, you can still run the newest games at low settings while those console owners have to make a choice to make the jump. So basically on PC, you can survive through a part of the next gen's games running them at PS3-quality graphics, then once you get enough to upgrade, those same games will look even better.
No matter what, there's a way to make the PC game run smoothly. It might not look good, it might not even be considered high def by the time you get done tweaking it, but you CAN get it to run smoothly. I remember changing Doom to the super-pixelated "low def" setting on my 460 DX33 to make it run. It looked like PURE GARBAGE, but it was buttery smooth in motion and I could make out my opponents in multiplayer to take them out.
It should be, but power spent processing Kinect data is power not spent processing the rest of the game.
Kinect was originally supposed to have a processing chip built in until it ended up too expensive and they had to ditch that idea. I assume it's quite thirsty too, and Kinect 2.0 is probably even thirstier.
Beer Monkey
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My entertainment stand is full. Anything new I add, something has to go.
This is very very common.
Remember what type of forum you're on people
You're on a gaming forum. The next Xbox is going to be geared for casual consumers.
I'm a hardcore gamer which means I love gaming to the point where it surrounds me daily. The ps4 is going to be the gaming console to buy the next Xbox will be what my mom buys so she can get hbogo and watch her comcast on demand. The wiiu will be what my grandmother gets my little cousin for Xmas. Then you have the everything gamer, the gamer who will buy everything and anything which I'll be honest it seems I follow that footsteps. Then the dedicated hardcore console gamer who just has a pc or just is gonna get the next Xbox because he/she can't live without halo.
Hey if you like it who cares what happens future is future will Nintendo survive... Probably not, will Sony win the 8th generation race maybe who knows. Will you get really mad at Microsoft because it makes you keep the Internet that you're using right now always on yep you will.
I honestly am excited for anything and don't give a shit if you live in Wyoming and still have dial up or if you only like one thing or you don't agree. Shut up play you're video games go to work and worry about more important stuff in this world than stupid shit
You're on a gaming forum. The next Xbox is going to be geared for casual consumers.
I'm a hardcore gamer which means I love gaming to the point where it surrounds me daily. The ps4 is going to be the gaming console to buy the next Xbox will be what my mom buys so she can get hbogo and watch her comcast on demand. The wiiu will be what my grandmother gets my little cousin for Xmas. Then you have the everything gamer, the gamer who will buy everything and anything which I'll be honest it seems I follow that footsteps. Then the dedicated hardcore console gamer who just has a pc or just is gonna get the next Xbox because he/she can't live without halo.
Hey if you like it who cares what happens future is future will Nintendo survive... Probably not, will Sony win the 8th generation race maybe who knows. Will you get really mad at Microsoft because it makes you keep the Internet that you're using right now always on yep you will.
I honestly am excited for anything and don't give a shit if you live in Wyoming and still have dial up or if you only like one thing or you don't agree. Shut up play you're video games go to work and worry about more important stuff in this world than stupid shit
They aren't going to market a $500 console to casual gamers.
They will probably have a cheaper version that you have to subscribe to which people will buy
SenjutsuSage
Banned
Remember what type of forum you're on people
You're on a gaming forum. The next Xbox is going to be geared for casual consumers.
I'm a hardcore gamer which means I love gaming to the point where it surrounds me daily. The ps4 is going to be the gaming console to buy the next Xbox will be what my mom buys so she can get hbogo and watch her comcast on demand. The wiiu will be what my grandmother gets my little cousin for Xmas. Then you have the everything gamer, the gamer who will buy everything and anything which I'll be honest it seems I follow that footsteps. Then the dedicated hardcore console gamer who just has a pc or just is gonna get the next Xbox because he/she can't live without halo.
Hey if you like it who cares what happens future is future will Nintendo survive... Probably not, will Sony win the 8th generation race maybe who knows. Will you get really mad at Microsoft because it makes you keep the Internet that you're using right now always on yep you will.
I honestly am excited for anything and don't give a shit if you live in Wyoming and still have dial up or if you only like one thing or you don't agree. Shut up play you're video games go to work and worry about more important stuff in this world than stupid shit
You do realize the next xbox will have any new GTA that is made, will have the next Call of Duty, will have the new NBA 2K and Fifa games, will have Halo, Forza, Destiny, Watch Dogs, will have Battlefield 4 and Witcher 3, and any new Elder Scrolls titles, new Metal Gear and likely Final Fantasy games, and a whole host of other games, right?
The next Xbox is also very much a gamer's console. It might just also be a whole lot more than that, and I don't see what's so bad about this.
I also don't think a $300 console with a two-year contract will appeal to anyone but broke hardcore gamers.
I'm sure you're right. But Microsoft wants to think more so saying it's going to be the system that my mom buys is not downing it my mom is a gamer as well she's not like bigg on it she will play so having everything in one is not a bad thing in fact it will replace my Xbox 360 which I game on here and there but mostly I use it for comcast and Netflix and talk to my friends. I'm saying ps4 is showing up for indie AAA titles and streamers it looks like the best bet. They also haven't show anything yet so who knows. Things can change we will find out may 21st
I worked at target when the ps3 came out. I had just regular people buy the ps3 because of the blu ray player for 600..... People will buy..... Ifff you show them it's worth 600. At the time there was no blu rays and blu rays made your brand new HD TV play new movies flawlessly in beautiful colors. If Microsoft shows that this thing is going to deliver everything for 299$ with a 14$ monthly sub for 2 years you bet my mom would buy it and get rid of cable and be dancing with the kinetic with dance central lol
And why not?
Any new console is immediately marketed as the "it" item to have in the fall to Christmas season and beyond. Having that sort of reputation and standing is exactly what console makers want. And it's important to establish that early and continue that in subsequent marketing.
$500 is pretty high, but if the product is good enough, it shouldn't matter because the craze builds itself. Cue interview at a Wal-mart with some mom having difficulty describing why she just bought this new console but being ecstatic that she did.
Saying they wouldn't market it to the broad audience is questionable in itself.
SenjutsuSage
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Why do people have to be broke to consider a $300 next gen console with a two year contract?
Expect plenty of indie devs to have very nice things to say about the next xbox also. It's just we're only hearing from the ones that are favoring Sony's approach and not excited by Microsoft's.
if these unconfirmed specs are close to true, good luck to gamers that choose this h/w as their primary gaming box and feed it with money for 5-8 years...
btw I still refuse to believe microsoft can be this amount of stupid.
but am preparing for humongous laughs just in case things turn out to be this way
Exactly, it's all about advertising. Us on these forums don't watch them but my mom does. If she's gonna buy something for her living room she will spend 500... Ifff it was shown that's it is worth that
Because they have finite marketing and development resources. Those resources would be largely wasted trying to cater to the casual crowd because they're far less likely to want to drop $500 on a game console. Trying to cater to everyone at launch would mean pleasing nobody. With 360, they had no trouble shifting focus even late in the generation, so I don't think that establishing themselves early with casual gamers is a necessity.
Because if you're not broke you'd just pay the $500 up front and not get ripped off by a subscription plan. Also, if we're talking about casual gamers, that's a lot of money for someone that doesn't care much for games. $200 has historically been the sweet spot for casual gamers.