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[RUMOR] Paul Thurrott: Xbox 720 is expensive: $500 or $300 for sub model, 5/21 Unveil
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DragonSworne
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That's why I am speculating only.
Wii 3 = 2018
PS5 = 2019
X1080 = 2019
No way both Sony and Microsoft will let Nintendo have a 3 year start
Would the gears xbox exclusivity a contract made early in it's life? I mean Epic will be letting go of a significant amount of revenue if they stick to the nextbox alone. MS will need to moneyhat big time (they do have the money I guess)
Boss Man
Member
Uh, obviously I meant in the context of video games...
And I think that for many people, gamerscore is at least as big as franchises. Franchises can be replaced with other franchises. Losing your gamerscore (if you care a lot about it) is like years of work flushed down the drain.
I'm not saying no one will be able to give that up, I'm just acknowledging that there is indeed something to the argument that people are more tied to platforms right now than they had been before. I don't know how strong that effect will be, but I think it's interesting at least.
You don't think that is kind of a leap to say that Epic is developing something exclusive (especially given that Epic said Fortnite is the first project that will be released from them)?
It's entirely possible, but I thought there was some kind of announcement.
No, they made a $50MM loan to Take Two.
Voice of Reason
Banned
That's not reasonable either.
How do people expect the sub model will work? I often see people suggest that you would have to sign up for 3 years of live but that only totals $180 and I assume you'll have to end up paying more in the long run for a $299 model else why the hell would anyone ever buy the more expensive version.
The NPD numbers didn´t show a significant increase and that is really all we need to know.
In fact they are even decreasing .
SniperHunter
Banned
Great point, that demo looked terrible...and it seems they got the PS4 dev kits recently.
grimshawish
Banned
Of just accept that gamerpoints mean fuck all and stopped having much meaning half way through the gen? There a gimmick. No one will care going next gen.
H_Prestige
Banned
I don't know how, but I do know MS will make it so that the $300 buyers end paying a lot more eventually. This is all a game.
Is Matt someone who would be usually be 'in the know' so to speak?
I think the current 360 subscription buy option might be a good indication. Maybe they will combine it with some cable packages as well?
You're preaching to the choir here. Some people just need a little push though.
Unregistered007
Banned
wtf are people really this stupid? 299 us ain't worth shit. This isn't 1999
Get a fucking job to realize the value of money.
299 ...lol
I resigned myself one or two years ago to waiting at least a year before buying either of the new consoles. A $500 non subscription price just makes it that much easier to stomach.
Of course, they might blow me away with their proposed functionality and tempt a purchase. Only way I can possibly conceive them getting me off the fence day one is if they incorporate al la carte IPTV and DVR functionality into the device and that allows me to drop my regular cable service/DVR and save money that way. And even then it would still be a tough sale.
Of course, they might blow me away with their proposed functionality and tempt a purchase. Only way I can possibly conceive them getting me off the fence day one is if they incorporate al la carte IPTV and DVR functionality into the device and that allows me to drop my regular cable service/DVR and save money that way. And even then it would still be a tough sale.
Duxxy3
Member
Sub model is $15 a month.
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kittens
Unconfirmed Member
Seriously. I don't want it, I'll rarely use it, and I don't want to pay for it.
SniperHunter
Banned
I was talking about their new IP, the next AAA game by Epic, that will be exclusive for Durango. Fornite looks like a $10 downloadable game
Boss Man
Member
That's not all we need to know at all. Not only is the situation different because you would have been 'buying into' an old device, but you'd have to account for the fact that sales were probably already decreasing. Maybe the subscription model made them decrease more slowly.
People seem to like subscription models the U.S. I think they'll eat it up for a fancy new console.
But shouldn't Nintendo release something in 2014 like "Wii: Us Tuu" to match the specs of the PS4/Durango?
Wasn't the lowest priced PS3 $499 at launch while the lowest priced 360 was $299?
Wow... Sony really might have this generation in the bag, since the only potential issue is the $299 subscription model... which they could easily counter by having a subscription model of their own for the PS4.
Wow... Sony really might have this generation in the bag, since the only potential issue is the $299 subscription model... which they could easily counter by having a subscription model of their own for the PS4.
CouldBeWorse
Member
So you don't have sales numbers? And you don't care how limited it's availability is at retail? And you don't care that it was a clear test? And you don't care that the model has been incredibly successful in other spaces?
I'm not sure how to have a rational conversation with you.
lunchwithyuzo
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I think by that point PlayStation or/and Xbox will evolve to dedicated services rather than dedicated boxes. They're both already headed that direction.
A decade from now I only really see Nintendo still putting out a "console" as we know it, and looking like a dinosaur in the process. And even then it'll probably be a hybrid handheld thingy unifying their DS and Wii product lines into one.
They charge you the monthly rate, not the yearly rate.
They offer the 360 sub model at the Microsoft Store and Bestbuy.
I'm not talking about Xbox 360.
Ninja Scooter
Member
If its anything like the Wii u's start I'm certain they won't give half a shit.
CouldBeWorse
Member
That's a good idea for the PS3. Not the PS4 where they need to sell it on its own merits.
George Claw M.D.
Member
That's exactly what this looks like. The $500 non-subsidized SKU makes the $300 plus subscription version seem like a no-brainer to most people. And 360 users are already conditioned to paying for Gold, so I think it could work out for Microsoft. I wonder how much profit the $500 SKU will make at launch. A $200 premium to be free of a subscription makes me think its a bit over the BOM costs.
$500! So PS4 will be priced at the same level as 720! Amazing.
Confirmed!!!! MEGATON
Confirmed!!!! MEGATON
So? Same logic will still apply. Pay $15 a month after you buy the subsidized console. There is no reason they won't offer it at retail.
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kittens
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Holy shit, if that's true, there's noooo way I would go along with it.
RibbedHero
Member
Actually the $450-$490 estimate includes assembly, power and cooling, but not shipping and packaging. Still, I can't see Sony making a large loss on their hardware like last-gen. $500 price in all likelihood.
Is this Matt person in the know?
Well if it's $300+subscription then all of a sudden a lot more people will initially line up. A friend of mine who works as a business analyst for a major retail firm said to me once that average consumers are of average to less than average intelligence who can be seduced by marketing, if it is done right.
Most people won't care about always online requirement until they don't run into problems themselves.
BlazingDarkness
Member
Sub models work because for many people it's simply a case of, 'here's a $500 product, and here's the same product for $300, how much do you want to pay?' - basically, the actual sub fees aren't as big a factor than the considerable discount you get on the day. It's just like opening a store card, you go into a store and pay $80 for some clothes, but you're offered a store card and a 20% discount on the day, so people think, 'oh I'm saving $16 right now? sign me up!' because the sub fees come in somewhere in the future. It's all about that impulse discount.
Raven77
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So he can confirm that the system DOES require an online connection, costs $500, AND is not backwards compatible and then follows it up with saying nothing he has heard sounds negative???
Uh, that's a pretty big negative for anyone that actually UNDERSTANDS the ramifications of an always online requirement. It is also a big negative for backwards compatibility lovers.
I shudder to think what he WOULD consider negative..."to buy it you must sell your soul."...
Uh, that's a pretty big negative for anyone that actually UNDERSTANDS the ramifications of an always online requirement. It is also a big negative for backwards compatibility lovers.
I shudder to think what he WOULD consider negative..."to buy it you must sell your soul."...
Little Green Yoda
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So with Nintendo being the only one offering backwards compatibility (and paying the price for it), having an "always online" console for server side authentication pretty much means your games will be inaccessible once the following generation transition starts? Yeah, good luck with that, MS.
eot
Banned
I hope for MS's own sake they don't think they can count on "core" (ugh) gamers gravitating to the xbox just out of habit.
I don't think you're getting what I'm saying.
With the rumors of it having set-top box functionality, you'll be able to get it through your cable provider subsidized, or pay the subsidized fee upfront for an expensive $500~ retail model.
Awesome, added to the op.
ProfessorMoran
Member
Sony should do a "search and rescue" promotion, have Tretton, Yoshida and Cerny pulling people out of the water after jumping off the sinking xboat.
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
Things are looking worse and worse for MS. $500 or $300 with sub? If all this is true, they could be shooting themselves in the foot even more.
My console of choice this gen was 360 but I don't have or worry about allegiances so switching to Sony looks more like a reality if the rumors are true. All I care about at this point is the Halo franchise, which drew me in this gen. I'd hate to that series die should the Next Xbox fail miserably.
My console of choice this gen was 360 but I don't have or worry about allegiances so switching to Sony looks more like a reality if the rumors are true. All I care about at this point is the Halo franchise, which drew me in this gen. I'd hate to that series die should the Next Xbox fail miserably.