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Rumor: PS5 devkits ~ 13 TFLOPS
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Stuart360
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Now lets stop this shall we. TF mattered at the start of this gen, didnt matter when the X launched, mattered again when PS5 rumours started (hense the 50 threads with 12 and 13tf! in the title), and now doesnt matter again with these fresh leaks that are almost certain to be bullshit.
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DeepEnigma
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This shit goes both ways. It's a pointless debate.
TLZ
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Found these if anyone is interested:
Development kit 04/19Next gen PlaystationCPU - 3ghz 8core Zen2 GPU - AMD - Pastebin.com
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I've already posted this in the gifs thread, but this needs to be posted here.
Shit's all over the place.
CyberPanda
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TLZ
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Like there's a line and everyone's taking a turn.
CyberPanda
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Braldryr
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I see what you're saying, while your statement does make sense. It doesn't mean that some studios can't be bought whether they're having financial troubles or not. , there is always that chance.. A troubled financial studio is easier to buy obviously because they need a desperate way out, so it's easy to fall in into the deal.
As of today I know of 2 studios that are 100% in the works - Relic Entertainment and IO Interactive. IO Interactive has already done a letter of intent (This is the studio that's having financial issues staying afloat) Meanwhile, Relic Entertainment is owned by Sega and Sega is being the roadblock, but they are in the talks. I know that with full confidence.
There is also another Japanese studio on the way as well, but not sure yet which one for sure.
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TeamGhobad
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why is everyone so gungho that MS will reveal anaconda and lockhart at this e3? if the consoles are fall 2020 the specs are not ready and they would use e3 2020 to reveal the consoles. unless the consoles are 2019...
Stuart360
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Thats what the rumours were. I tend to agree though, if they are launching at fall 2020. We might get some kind of sneak peak though.
TLZ
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We're hungry.
Well, I am.
I feel they're definitely revealing something, like they did with Scorpio.
TeamGhobad
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maybe the box? is that something we would be interested in? controller perhaps?
JustP_Gaming
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There are going to be a lot of disappointed gamers when the specs are officially revealed from both camps. I'll be ready and waiting for the fall out like I do every generation. It is so exciting 
CyberPanda
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Are you an insider too?There are going to be a lot of disappointed gamers when the specs are officially revealed from both camps. I'll be ready and waiting for the fall out like I do every generation. It is so exciting
Stuart360
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I'll be very surprised if either console is less than 11tf, 12tf even. Surely they can double the X after 4 years, at the same price.There are going to be a lot of disappointed gamers when the specs are officially revealed from both camps. I'll be ready and waiting for the fall out like I do every generation. It is so exciting
I still think some people will be diasspointed by the jump in graphics though, 4k will eat them terraflops for breakfast.
Justin9mm
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We are now pushing 8K TVs into the market which is not necessary right now, but you have not even been able to buy a new 1080p TV for at least almost two years. Good branded 4K HDR LED TVs are now cheap as chips. If you still game on a 1080p TV with no plan to upgrade at least very soon then sorry, you will be left behind, Go to PC if you want higher visuals and options for 1080p. They are rightfully focusing on 4K because that is the standard. I'm playing some games now at Native 4K/60 on the One X, why the hell would they put their time into more options for 1080p!? The next gen will be powerful enough, you sound like having a 4K TV is expensive and unattainable.
ResilientBanana
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Your periods are out of control.
Insane Metal
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It's the anticipation/anxiety. It makes women's periods go nuts.
Oh wait... the other period....
bitbydeath
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Varteras
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As you seem to be aware of some behind the scenes dealings involving acquisitions, might I ask how aware you are of the shifting landscape? Google will almost certainly shoot for some acquisitions. Epic just bought Psyonix. Microsoft is clearly buying studios in handfuls. How much of this is going on and what of Sony and Nintendo? Have you heard anything about moves they might be making? Surely neither of them are just standing around and being actively ignorant to this. Or is your knowledge limited to Microsoft?
SonGoku
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I love how these leaks use two decimals to look more legitFound these if anyone is interested:
Development kit 04/19Next gen PlaystationCPU - 3ghz 8core Zen2 GPU - AMD - Pastebin.com
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Three decimals or bust!
Chairman Tickles
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Nope. Even a humble 1070 can do 1440p at 60 if paired with a cpu from the last 5 years. Hell in most games so can a 1060.
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SonGoku
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Your humble 1070 is running current gen games designed around a 7850 HD spec. Of course it will
Consoles games are designed to squeeze every bit of performance out of the hw, next gen games will be no different. They will target 30 fps to push next gen graphics
Gamernyc78
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Lol fanatics from other team hoping and praying ps5 isn't up there in tflops. Sony doing their job got them. Shook 
Braldryr
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I have no dibs on Sony or Nintendo. Sony is quite hard to crack and they tend to me less leaky than Microsoft from my experience personally. Nintendo I don't really care for personally, despite the fact that I do like the Switch and their games.
I am more of an xbox/MS kind of guy, it's easier for me to find the information on that end or at least to scrap for something. Microsoft's strategy right now is too buy out studios left and write from one end of the world to another to be able to cover all kinds of different game genres, whether its FPS, Racing, RTS, TPS, RGPs and whatever other genres and combos you can think of. They're not playing around anymore and truly want to build up a 1st party portfolio and show the world what they can do. Over the last decade Microsoft has been known for Gears/Halo/Forza and while that will still be the case, many new franchies will come alive as well along with your sequels and so on. If you want to really to put a name on me or anything of that sort well I'd just advise you think of me as a Squirrel who runs around and pretends to mind its own business and gathering information in the background while pretending to play careless, dumb and not interested
P.S. Some people speculated and are hoping that CD Projekt Red and Creative Assembly will be bought. I will tell you right now that I know for a fact that is NOT happening and WON'T be happening. So put those hopes too rest.
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Chairman Tickles
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Then why would they upgrade the cpu? 30fps can be done on a potato, if that potato is paired with a gpu.
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SonGoku
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Not really, if games design around Ryzen as base spec they can do previously unattainable experiences at 30 fps
Bigger and more interactive worlds, with more crowded spaces, better ai, destruction, draw distances, advanced physics etc.
Look at Star Citizen to get a taste of what could be done.
There will be numerous 60 fps games as well, it just won't be the norm like you expect it to be
Im sure
blu
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Chairman Tickles
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I'm struggling to think of bigger more populated worlds when we moved from ps3-ps4. GTA5 ran on both, it was huge and populated and dynamic and interactive. We just got more pretty graphically rich worlds. The cpu only struggled in games like ass creed unity due to the large crowds. Can't think of many more examples where the cpu was specifically pushed. Ass creed origins and odyssey had a big detailed world but not that populated imo.
There's not much to look at yet.
There's not much to look at yet.
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SonGoku
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The scale of the game is like nothing we ever seen before, CPU comes in play there as well
Another possible next gen game is Cyberpunk look at the scale and population of the game world shown, that's more impressive than the graphics it shown tbh
AC Unity chugged on consoles because of NPCs, same for Witcher3 crowded areas. Those are current gen games
Another possible next gen game is Cyberpunk look at the scale and population of the game world shown, that's more impressive than the graphics it shown tbh
AC Unity chugged on consoles because of NPCs, same for Witcher3 crowded areas. Those are current gen games
Alter_Fridge
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I never had any slowdown with Witcher 3 on base PS4
SonGoku
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DF begs to differ.
grfunkulus
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Depends on which Ps4 games you're talking about. Vega 64 is around the tflop count that ps5 supposedly is. It's no where close to keeping 60fps on something like, say, Shadow of the Tomb Raider without turning settings down significantly.
SonGoku
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Keep in mind closed box hw optimizations and Navi can punch above its weight TF wise compared to Vega because of new arch efficiencies.
If in can run TLoU2 at 4k/60 fps (rumor), it can run any PS4 game at that setting
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Freeman454
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Many wont like 30fps in 2020.
Varteras
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I have no dibs on Sony or Nintendo. Sony is quite hard to crack and they tend to me less leaky than Microsoft from my experience personally. Nintendo I don't really care for personally, despite the fact that I do like the Switch and their games.
I am more of an xbox/MS kind of guy, it's easier for me to find the information on that end or at least to scrap for something. Microsoft's strategy right now is too buy out studios left and write from one end of the world to another to be able to cover all kinds of different game genres, whether its FPS, Racing, RTS, TPS, RGPs and whatever other genres and combos you can think of. They're not playing around anymore and truly want to build up a 1st party portfolio and show the world what they can do. Over the last decade Microsoft has been known for Gears/Halo/Forza and while that will still be the case, many new franchies will come alive as well along with your sequels and so on. If you want to really to put a name on me or anything of that sort well I'd just advise you think of me as a Squirrel who runs around and pretends to mind its own business and gathering information in the background while pretending to play careless, dumb and not interested
P.S. Some people speculated and are hoping that CD Projekt Red and Creative Assembly will be bought. I will tell you right now that I know for a fact that is NOT happening and WON'T be happening. So put those hopes too rest.
See the issue I have with that kind of talk, the whole "Microsoft isn't messing around", is that it's pretty much the same rhetoric I heard repeatedly over the last two generations. Especially at the beginning of this one. The claims and cheers of Microsoft supposedly spending over a billion dollars on exclusives. How Microsoft was expanding their first party to put out an avalanche of exclusive games. We know how that turned out. Now, clearly, I can see with my own eyes that they are reinvesting in first party. Finally, after all the talk Spencer gave over the 4 years before the announcements at E3 2018.
This is also the same Microsoft that tried to show off Hololens at gaming conventions like it was imminent and then it disappeared. How they touted the Xbox One X was going to have VR experiences, which many rumors started flying about partnerships with Oculus, that never came to fruition. Let's not forget cloud processing that took them 5 or 6 years to get a game out that made any kind of use of it and it really wasn't anything special. Not just the game but the tech. At this point I've learned to anticipate disappointment with them. To be fair, this has nothing to do with you. It's not like you yourself were making these claims to me back then. I'm sure you genuinely say these things.
What I will say is that a few of these acquisitions thus far have been really, really good. Playground, Obsidian, and Ninja Theory are damn good grabs by them and I'm especially happy that Obsidian and Ninja Theory now seem to have stability. From what I had heard, Ninja Theory was constantly in danger of closing shop and Obsidian sounded like it wasn't that much better off. I just really do wonder how Microsoft's current push for acquisitions will impact the industry as far as its competitors jumping in and staking their own claims.
Like I said, I'm pretty sure Google is going to be making moves here soon. They've made it clear they're not going to just simply release Stadia as some streaming service that they just put everyone else's games on. They want their own to entice people. Obviously Sony has a large and very capable first party stable of which we know of two studios not officially announced yet working on something in addition to most of their studios growing significantly. But, with the revelation that PlayStation's most recent fiscal year was better for them than the entire PS2 era and that this generation has so far made them more money than the last three generations combined, I can't imagine Sony is watching Microsoft's purchases and not looking to make moves of their own.
Clearly they don't need to make as many purchases since they already have 13 studios that would make games for PS5, but it's also about securing studios and IPs when a big competitor is gobbling up as much as they can. It sounds like we're going to hear about anywhere from 2 to 4 more acquisitions by Microsoft and they may not stop there if they can help it. It would be in the best interest of both Google and Sony to actively secure what they can. For Sony, it would be more about denying an asset to your competitors. For Google, it's about standing a snowball's chance in hell of being competitive in exclusive offerings.
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blu
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While GPUs more often than not are the bottleneck these days, CPUs continue to be paramount for things that cannot be run on the GPU, including preparation of command buffers for the GPU.
Ar¢tos
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This time things are tricky for both Sony and MS. If they chase the 399 price, both will have very underpowered consoles that will need mid gen refreshes. 499 will get them the "minimum" to survive a whole gen, and the only way for one to beat the other (in spec) is doing a even more expensive console and take a loss on the price.
60fps will be used for fighting games and racing games, and some fps games. The rest will focus on 30fps and graphics as usual.
Example: Having 30 more Npcs roaming around in a city each with their own behavioural pattern and rats and pigeons in the background with AI allowing them to interact with each others and the Npcs will sell a game better than a much poorer scene at 60fps.
60fps will be used for fighting games and racing games, and some fps games. The rest will focus on 30fps and graphics as usual.
SonGoku
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Many dont like traffic either, what can i say? Tough luck, get a PC.
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TBiddy
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Lol fanatics from other team hoping and praying ps5 isn't up there in tflops. Sony doing their job got them. Shook
My head hurts from reading that. Take the console warrior stuff to Gamespot please.
Wesleyalucard
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Naughty Dog new ip Star Trek will be glorious on this.
chigstoke
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Absolutely correct, they won't. But we know these devs are going to
A. Push 4K even more
B. Make many games 30fps with more advanced game engine mechanics, as opposed to...
1440, 60fps and better engine mechanics/graphics.
The compromise will be games just introducing a unlocked frame rate option like Hitman and a few others did. The hope is that MS Studio's and Sony first party games will go the 60fps route but again, we will see when these games are released.
On the brightside, gives me an excuse to use my RTX 2080 more for some higher framerate gameplay.
SonGoku
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Is this a thing?
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Braldryr
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Is this a thing?
Never heard of that. However, there are/were rumors of a new IP made by Naughty Dog being SciFi.
bhunachicken
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I think the 11-12TF leaks / estimates for the PS5 will be quite accurate.
What we'll not find out until the last minute is how much RAM will be available. Both Sony and MS will be waiting to see who blinks first on that one.
If MS went with 16GB total RAM, Sony might do a 16+4 combo.
What we'll not find out until the last minute is how much RAM will be available. Both Sony and MS will be waiting to see who blinks first on that one.
If MS went with 16GB total RAM, Sony might do a 16+4 combo.
bitbydeath
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That rumour has been going ever since Naughty Dog put a sci-fi poster up in The Last of Us. It's not even really a rumour, just someones wishful thinking after liking the poster.
bitbydeath
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Those rumours weren't real.
'Stay cool' was obviously a piss take mocking Sony for their poor cooling system used in PS4 Pro.
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CyberPanda
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It's their biggest IP's why would they stop?
FranXico
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Nobody is saying they should stop, just take some risks with a new IP.
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