Von Hugh
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I am waiting for a solid 11.5 - 11.9 TFLOPS. See in the quotes.
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Rumor: PS5 devkits ~ 13 TFLOPS
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I am waiting for a solid 11.5 - 11.9 TFLOPS. See in the quotes.
shark sandwich
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Just think of what it would take for PS5 to be 13 TFLOPS. That means Navi 20 would have to MORE THAN DOUBLE the performance/watt of Vega 20..... and do so solely through architectural improvements since Vega 20 is already on 7nm.
That would be no less than the greatest leap in efficiency we've ever seen in Radeon's history.
Sorry man but that is sounding wildly optimistic at this point, especially in light of the recent rumors about Navi.
That would be no less than the greatest leap in efficiency we've ever seen in Radeon's history.
Sorry man but that is sounding wildly optimistic at this point, especially in light of the recent rumors about Navi.
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To be fair, AMD has already commented about Microsoft and Sony having their own "secret sauces".
https://www.windowscentral.com/amd-ceo-talks-next-xbox-secret-sauce-and-cloud-computing
shark sandwich
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I meant to write 13. Anyway the point still stands, you are talking about an absolutely massive efficiency increase while on the same manufacturing process. Seems extremely optimistic.
xool
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The 14tf seems to come from the pastebin leak https://pastebin.com/PY9vaTsR/ .. they got 8 core Zen, Navi, RT "support", backwards compatability ,and SSD right so far
14.2 tf was leaked back in 2018, also with the 8 core zen, ssd storage etc
And here again (12.6 to 14.2 tf) - (11 Feb 2019) so probably 14.2 is boosted clocks
Could be the same person, or a fanboy-circle-jerk - but they got some stuff right before the Cerny interview ..
[edit - my take - leaks are true but don't represent PS5 hardware - they're talking about the specs of the dev kits - which obv. contain 64CU Vega64s or RadeonVIIs .. however they claimed to know the price - $499]
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DeepEnigma
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Not for nothing, but Zen and SSD were the natural progression the tech was headed. There was no other alternative going into 2020 with advancing processing and speed.
The easiest and safest bets.
The easiest and safest bets.
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thelastword
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Yeah, let's run with this fanboy fantasy rumor.
Nobody is hyping that.......You realize how much traction "Anaconda will be more powerful than PS5" got over this....Check it out, articles were written by the gaming media, there are a tonne of youtube videos on that particular rumor, even though it was tales from the ASS.....
It's amazing how you want people to hype this more than they care to, just for console wars........The hypocrisy is, when you had the Anaconda>PS5 rumors you and your boys were all gleeful and spreading that unscrupulous gospel as fact, which no doubt came straight from Assville, but you didn't care then did you?.....Yet you want to ensure people know that this PS5>Anaconda is sacrilege and it should not be believed.....Anybody could have posted that et.al, surely.......We hear you, but I'm sure your job demands that you have to squash such opposing rumors by any means, so by all means........Feel free to keep posting about it and hyping it up as something Sony fans are blowing through the roof..........No glass detected here....I can't see you through it...
SonGoku
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Not really taking 7nm into account with an improved arch designed around it, amd could do much better at 7nm. So I expect Vega64 to 1080Ti (12-13TF) to hit 150-180W which is about 70-80% power efficiency over Vega at 14nm. Radeon 7 is not representative of the best AMD can offer at 7nm.
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shark sandwich
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1080 Ti-level gaming performance at 150W would represent roughly a 100% increase in performance per watt compared to Vega 64/Vega 20, for the record.
So yeah... that's one HELL of an increase especially considering Vega 20 is already 7nm.
If that's actually your prediction then okay. We'll see. My guess is you will be disappointed. I'd be happy to be wrong.
Aceofspades
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Sony heatsink patent
Credit to anexanhume, he dropped this info in the Reeee site. I thought I would share it here.
Credit to anexanhume, he dropped this info in the Reeee site. I thought I would share it here.
SonGoku
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I said Vega64 to 1080Ti (12-13TF) in the 150-180w range. Why would you take the high end performance and match it with the low range for power consumption?
TSMC lists 40% less power consumption for 7nm over 10nm. Compared to 14nm it should be 50-60%
GlobalFoundries lists 55% less power consumption for 7nm over 14nm.
That's power reduction related to the process shrink alone, when you add a better more power efficient arch an additional 10-20% is not out of the ordinary.
That leaves us with a 60-80% power reduction very doable
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shark sandwich
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Are you forgetting that Vega 20 exists, is 7nm, and delivers gaming performance equal to 1080 Ti at 300w?
So yeah, 1080 Ti perf at 150w is absolutely a 100% increase over what they have now.
SonGoku
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Radeon 7 is not representative for a few reasons:
- Actually 14TF not 13TF
- Not designed around 7nm process
- Same old arch
- Hitting diminishing returns in clock-speed for an arch not meant for high clocks makes power consumption skyrocket.
When i say 1080Ti performance i take into account new arch efficiency, low level apis and devs designing around that hw strengths in a closed box. There are examples of Vega64 beating a 1080Ti and 2080 in Vulcan.
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Source for me being gleeful and spreading that rumor as fact.
Protip: You won't find it, because I didn't do it.
So go take your fanboy bs somewhere else. You're lying about what I've posted because your butthurt. It's not a good look.
CeeJay
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Nah, the cheaper one will be the 1080p system and the Anaconda will be the 4K one. Different GPU and memory but very similar CPU. Lockhart won't be holding anything back.
bitbydeath
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The GPU does a lot more than simply increase resolution. Even if they drew it back to 480p it will still be lacking vs games being built natively for the high spec machine.
SonGoku
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I think a half GPU should have enough headroom for running games at 1080p, assuming exact same architecture design.
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CrustyBritches
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Shamelessly reusing this from my way late April entry into the gifGAF competition. GAF's next-gen threads cinematic version:
bitbydeath
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Yeah but coding to the metal can't be achieved as it'll be torn over two systems.
There is just no way they can get the most out of a system by writing backwards. Even with the current generation.
If games were built natively for the Pro or X they would accomplish a lot more.
Let's say for example MAG on PS3, do you think that game would work on PS2 by simply scaling back resolution and still maintaining the 256 players?
Do you think Last of Us 2 will be just a slightly better looking game than The Last of Us Remastered or will it feature systems that weren't possible with the PS3's power?
Imtjnotu
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So pretty much they can mount the chip to the heatsink, and either have it facing up or down and still maintain the same cooling.Sony heatsink patent
Credit to anexanhume, he dropped this info in the Reeee site. I thought I would share it here.
CeeJay
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That's not how these things work, developers build games for the highest possible userbase, not the highest possible specs. Spin it however you want but it's logically going to be a similar situation to what we have now with the XB1s and XB1x. You don't need to try and make it any more complicated than that, Lockhart won't be holding anything back.
CeeJay
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You think they code to the metal currently on XB1?
bitbydeath
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I agree it'll be like that and that is the problem. An easier example to understand is cross-gen games that were made to work on 360 and Xbox One.
bitbydeath
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For exclusives they would, yes.
CeeJay
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The game OS goes through a hypervisor, all hardware on XB1 is virtualised. There is no way to code to the metal in the traditional sense on the console.
xool
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Sony heatsink patent
Credit to anexanhume, he dropped this info in the Reeee site. I thought I would share it here.
If they go for PoP (Package on package) like used in mobile chips, then they could put the GPU/CPU below and still cool it effectively, and place less hot chips like RAM on top ..
Not sure why they would - can't really see a big advantage to doing this though - seems easier/cheaper to just go sideways
CeeJay
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Not a good example, it's different architecture. Big difference between cross gen and same gen, the best example is xb1s to xb1x, same gen architecture meant for different native res output.
thelastword
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I had to do a bit of digging to find the reference, but I see you klobrille.
So much love for Klobrille aka Braldryr, so much great detective work from someone who would stop going at the other forum, if one of his favorite posters posted here more often, no doubt, for golden bits like the one in the capture above!!!!.......Like I said, I see you Foxbat
.........The glass isn't even tinted.....
SonGoku
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Let's say Snek has 14TF and Lockart 7TF, with lockart using exact same GPU with CUs cut in half. Same CPU and minimal discrepancy on memory
Games can be coded to the metal on Snek and the downported to lockart
With half the TF count lockart should have enough headroom at 1080p to brute force without low level optimizations (since its the exact same GPU arch layout) and still keep most settings intact
PS3/PS2 comparison doesn't apply because of different GPU/CPU arch, vastly different memory setups and a bigger than 2x GPU performance gap.
The highest combined user base will be PS5 & SNEK which will also have more similar hw specs making it the most practical choice for devs to build games for PS5/SNEK and down-port to lockart.
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LuvOfThaGame
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Wait...are...are YOU calling someone out for being biased?
So much love for Klobrille aka Braldryr, so much great detective work from someone who would stop going at the other forum, if one of his favorite posters posted here more often, no doubt, for golden bits like the one in the capture above!!!!.......Like I said, I see you Foxbat
SonGoku
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Wait...are...are YOU calling someone out for being biased?
So much love for Klobrille aka Braldryr, so much great detective work from someone who would stop going at the other forum, if one of his favorite posters posted here more often, no doubt, for golden bits like the one in the capture above!!!!.......Like I said, I see you Foxbat
Thanks for proving my point. You've shown no proof of me posting the shit you claimed I did. I merely matched his "squirrel" tweet ro the post here.
Klobrille is active in the MS first party thread over there, which is one of few threads I visit.
Neither of those points even remotely proves your point. You're reaching far beyond your mental grasp here fella. You were wrong. You should apologize. Let it go.
If you were to insinuate that I prefer Xbox over Playstaion.... Sure, I'll cop to that. I'm a fan of Xbox, and prefer that console. Just like youre a fan of the PlayStation. But that's not what you claimed.
SonGoku
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Higher resolution webm version please lolShamelessly reusing this from my way late April entry into the gifGAF competition. GAF's next-gen threads cinematic version:
bitbydeath
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7TF would be more realistic. But the rumour is 4TF for Lockhart.
From the Pepe thread.^
You make it too easy TLW... Too easy.
Maybe you should take your own advise.
SonGoku
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Yeah i dont know about 4tf mantaininig parity... I guess they could downgrade some effects
Should be half imo, 7 if 14 6 if 12. That way it has enough headroom to brute force without metal coding which btw all hw tricks/optimizations should work on lockart since it would share the exact same GPU with CUs cut in half.
Remember 4k is a huge resource hog that will eat a good chunk of GPU resources. So much that i think many devs will opt for either dynamic resolution, temporal reconstruction and cb on 1400p-1800p.
CrustyBritches
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I'll make one and post it a little later.
LuvOfThaGame
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From that same post...From the Pepe thread.^
You make it too easy TLW... Too easy.
Maybe you should take your own advise.
"My post history, what a response.......We all have post histories mind you, I don't care what yours is or anybody.......I just discuss the topic at hand and give my take in the here and now, if you want to trace lineage to somehow justify your take on this subject then that's on you, but it's not a good way to go about things....."
And then he goes through your post history.
thelastword
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Wait...are...are YOU calling someone out for being biased?
I'm not calling anyone biased.......People can like what they like, that's fair...Yet, Foxbat pretended that he was so far removed from the XB2>PS5 rumor, yet his favourite poster at ERA is one who actually started that very rumor....Ironic isn't it?
Now you're crossposting what I said to another poster, who responded to me on another different subject entirely.........You are looking pretty defensive here Bat....From the Pepe thread.^
You make it too easy TLW... Too easy.
Maybe you should take your own advise.
What are you talking about, the posts I quoted is in this very thread on page 11, just the page before this one...Do you even pay attention, where Foxbat was addressing Klobrille who was explaining why he is more privy to XBOX news/rumors/leaks et al........So much for me digging his post history.....From that same post...
"My post history, what a response.......We all have post histories mind you, I don't care what yours is or anybody.......I just discuss the topic at hand and give my take in the here and now, if you want to trace lineage to somehow justify your take on this subject then that's on you, but it's not a good way to go about things....."
And then he goes through your post history.
Prove this^ or gtfo. Your quote of me referencing klobrille isn't even remotely close.
You've accused me of being a hypocrite with absolutely no proof. You were wrong. Admit it and move on. Whenever I reach too far, at least I have the decency to apologize. A few posters here, and my post history will prove that. You're just to stubborn to reach that level though, so just drop it.
Not going to derail this thread any further.
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thelastword
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You see, I just wanted to stay within the vicinity of this thread, but he had to go bait...Clearly he believes in Klobrille and his leaks, and there's no shame in that if you stand by your words.....
The fact that you were so defensive is what made you look more guilty.......
wordslaughter
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Forum console war drama as a new gen approaches. God I've missed you.
thelastword
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Ontopic
In any case.....I think a 13Tf devkit at this point in development is pretty beefy, obviously we don't know what final kit will be like for any manufacturer, but we can only hope for the best kit for each box.......If the boxes are close, the battle will be waged with the devs and software, which is the most important thing.......Personally, I want the strongest box Sony can offer, I really want a significant jump and I'm willing to pay at least $600, even though, it will make more sense for Sony to price it at $500....Sometimes, I wish gamers were not so stingy on a product that they will have for 6-7 years, but it is what it is......
In any case.....I think a 13Tf devkit at this point in development is pretty beefy, obviously we don't know what final kit will be like for any manufacturer, but we can only hope for the best kit for each box.......If the boxes are close, the battle will be waged with the devs and software, which is the most important thing.......Personally, I want the strongest box Sony can offer, I really want a significant jump and I'm willing to pay at least $600, even though, it will make more sense for Sony to price it at $500....Sometimes, I wish gamers were not so stingy on a product that they will have for 6-7 years, but it is what it is......
wordslaughter
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Maybe it would be a good idea to sell consoles on a 2 year monthly payment plan. Under the same conditions people don't seem to have any problem dropping a grand on a phone they'll only use for 2 years.
It is crazy the people want top end hardware but only seem to be willing to pay 399 to 499.
As a PC gamer I don't hesitate to spend more than that on a GPU alone.
Is it not true that console makers use to eat some of the cost for hardware with the intention of making it back through software sales? Maybe they should do that again?
It is crazy the people want top end hardware but only seem to be willing to pay 399 to 499.
As a PC gamer I don't hesitate to spend more than that on a GPU alone.
Is it not true that console makers use to eat some of the cost for hardware with the intention of making it back through software sales? Maybe they should do that again?
Insane Metal
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Come on guys let's just hug and forget our differences.
CyberPanda
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Yea, let's all get naked and cuddle. On a side note, if you guys wanna argue, just do it in private messages, and that way the threads don't get derailed.Come on guys let's just hug and forget our differences.
Insane Metal
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Uhm... that's a bit much
Imtjnotu
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