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Russia begins Invasion of Ukraine

Gp1

Member
Poland is not messing around.



Massive numbers if this is correct. More than 2x times the number of MBTs in Germany plus France. Probably more SPA than the entire European arsenal.
It will easily become the biggest land force in Euro Nato.
 
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That's a hint of future destabilisation efforts.

Chernivtsi and Northern Bukovina were Romanian lands until 1944. The demographics changed a lot since then, but there is an important Romanian population in the region and the cultural ties are still strong. This was also one of the hotspots of Ukraine's idiotic policies against minorities. In a partition of Ukraine, giving the region back to Romania is in the top 3 most obvious scenarios.

Vinnitsya has no historical or demographic links to Romania. It's a poor region with few natural resources. There is no scenario in which Romania would annex that (or maybe one in which they give it back to Kiev 24 hours later). It would tank the Romanian economy and add 1.5 million angry and confused Ukrainians to its population.

What Romania actually wants, and would be very useful indeed, is the Budjak, or Southern Bessarabia. It's the region below Moldova in Medvedev's map. It had a similar historical trajectory to Chernivtsi, except the Romanian/Moldovan minority is much bigger. It has a nice long Black Sea coastline, it has land connections to Odessa, it's right next to the big NATO bases in Romania. The nearby NATO base in Dobruja is currently being transformed into a Ramstein-style military city.
So there's no way Russia would give the Budjak to Romania, hence Vinnitsya acting as a territory swap and a very obvious Trojan horse. Should the partition ever happen like that, Romania incorporating Vinnitsya would be disastrous - and a refusal would be a diplomatic and propaganda disaster.
 
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kuncol02

Banned
Poland is not messing around.



Massive numbers if this is correct. More than 2x times the number of MBTs in Germany plus France. Probably more SPA than the entire European arsenal.
It will easily become the biggest land force in Euro Nato.

When people were suggesting that abrams deal is nothing compared to what at that time was negotiated and will soon be signed they weren't joking.

Russia was a mistake.
Moscow and Petersburg should be bombed instead of Hiroshima and Nagasaki
 
absolutely horrific video making rounds of Russian Chechen soldiers castrating a Ukrainian POW with a box cutter. Fucking pigs, can't imagine all the barbarism that goes on there which will never be uncovered
Ye Ive seen it, they should do eye for an eye with these fuckers. You know theyve done even worse, this is just on video.
 

Atrus

Gold Member
Ukraine is going to need some Wrath of God operation of their own to deal with the Russian battalions involved in war crimes.
 

Sakura

Member
Poland is not messing around.



Massive numbers if this is correct. More than 2x times the number of MBTs in Germany plus France. Probably more SPA than the entire European arsenal.
It will easily become the biggest land force in Euro Nato.

Poland must have a pretty high military budget. That has to be at least a couple billion dollars just for the equipment alone.
 

kuncol02

Banned
They have like 275 airplanes and 1000+ tanks. So i would say they are well prepared.
Now Poland has pretty much only 48 F-16. Su-22 are allowed to fly conditionally till 2025 (that's why we are buying FA-50 with so short delivery time) and there is no modern weapons for them. Mig-29s are in so bad shape that pilots refused to fly them. We also ordered 32 F-35.

In terms of tanks Poland has currently 250 Lepoards. T-72 all were send to ukraine, all of PT-91 also probably were send (at least ones that were in usable condition). There is lot's of tanks ordered (including older Abrams and not modified K2 that are ordered as immediate replacement for T-72 and PT-91).
 

nemiroff

Gold Member
The man's suffering and death will not be in vain. Western leaders do actually sometimes tend to have empathy and thus be affected by single stories. Just look at what Bucha did to western deliveries of weapons to Ukraine.. This event will now morph into a symbol, another wake up call. ATACMSs and other instruments of war one step closer to being on its way.
 
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Tams

Member
That's a hint of future destabilisation efforts.

Chernivtsi and Northern Bukovina were Romanian lands until 1944. The demographics changed a lot since then, but there is an important Romanian population in the region and the cultural ties are still strong. This was also one of the hotspots of Ukraine's idiotic policies against minorities. In a partition of Ukraine, giving the region back to Romania is in the top 3 most obvious scenarios.

Vinnitsya has no historical or demographic links to Romania. It's a poor region with few natural resources. There is no scenario in which Romania would annex that (or maybe one in which they give it back to Kiev 24 hours later). It would tank the Romanian economy and add 1.5 million angry and confused Ukrainians to its population.

What Romania actually wants, and would be very useful indeed, is the Budjak, or Southern Bessarabia. It's the region below Moldova in Medvedev's map. It had a similar historical trajectory to Chernivtsi, except the Romanian/Moldovan minority is much bigger. It has a nice long Black Sea coastline, it has land connections to Odessa, it's right next to the big NATO bases in Romania. The nearby NATO base in Dobruja is currently being transformed into a Ramstein-style military city.
So there's no way Russia would give the Budjak to Romania, hence Vinnitsya acting as a territory swap and a very obvious Trojan horse. Should the partition ever happen like that, Romania incorporating Vinnitsya would be disastrous - and a refusal would be a diplomatic and propaganda disaster.
The whole problem with any of this is any NATO members with designs on the territory of other European countries except for Russia, would very quickly find themselves out of NATO if they tried to take any of them. And Romania absolutely do not want to be out of NATO.
 

winjer

Gold Member
Now Poland has pretty much only 48 F-16. Su-22 are allowed to fly conditionally till 2025 (that's why we are buying FA-50 with so short delivery time) and there is no modern weapons for them. Mig-29s are in so bad shape that pilots refused to fly them. We also ordered 32 F-35.

In terms of tanks Poland has currently 250 Lepoards. T-72 all were send to ukraine, all of PT-91 also probably were send (at least ones that were in usable condition). There is lot's of tanks ordered (including older Abrams and not modified K2 that are ordered as immediate replacement for T-72 and PT-91).

Fortunately, Poland is not alone. Not this time.
For example, just yesterday the USA sent 6 F-22 to 32nd Tactical Air Base in Lask.
It's a small reinforcement, but Russia has nothing that can really compete against these.
 

Patrick S.

Banned
Apparently the guy that did the castration of that pow, his adress and name and everything has been posted online. He's probably very high on the list of people the ukrainians want to get their hands on.
Yep. I hope they do the same to him.

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demigod

Member
absolutely horrific video making rounds of Russian Chechen soldiers castrating a Ukrainian POW with a box cutter. Fucking pigs, can't imagine all the barbarism that goes on there which will never be uncovered
Fuck this piece of shit of a human being and the people around him that allowed it to happen. I hope they get whats coming for them.
 
Apparently ”Ukraine” happened to bomb the prison where Russia kept prisoners from Azov etc.

1. Ukraine has precision weapons and skill.
2. Ukraine knew where the prison was.
3. Russia probably needed to hide the evidence of all the other prisoners that were killed and tortured.

No fucking chance in hell Ukraine did that. The Russian nazi machine killed their ukrainian prisoners.
 
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TwinB242

Member
Apparently ”Ukraine” happened to bomb the prison where Russia kept prisoners from Azov etc.

1. Ukraine has precision weapons and skill.
2. Ukraine knew where the prison was.
3. Russia probably needed to hide the evidence of all the other prisoners that were killed and tortured.

No fucking chance in hell Ukraine did that. The Russian nazi machine killed their ukrainian prisoners.

It was an execution plain and simple



The castration video probably made the Russians worried that more of their war crimes could eventually surface and be used as evidence against them.

All this is going to do is make Ukrainians fight harder, because they know what awaits them if they surrender.
 
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nemiroff

Gold Member
So how many ruzzian casualties in this "Ukrainian artillery strike" against their own people..? Is it even mentioned anywhere? Or did the ruzzians forget that when they disguising war crimes it's probably a good idea to make it somewhat believable..
 

mxbison

Member
absolutely horrific video making rounds of Russian Chechen soldiers castrating a Ukrainian POW with a box cutter. Fucking pigs, can't imagine all the barbarism that goes on there which will never be uncovered

Now imagine what they did to the women in Bucha before killing them and trying to burn their corpses to erase evidence.

They have been doing these things for generations in different parts of the world. Some of the stories from WW2 or Syria are darker than the worst freaking horror movies.

And you still have politicians and lots of people (not just in Russia) supporting them.
 

Tams

Member
So how many ruzzian casualties in this "Ukrainian artillery strike" against their own people..? Is it even mentioned anywhere? Or did the ruzzians forget that when they disguising war crimes it's probably a good idea to make it somewhat believable..
None... wait... eight guards dead... no wait... injured... eight guards injured... heavi... no, lightly injured. Da, da, eight guards vanished up their own arseholes.
 

Tams

Member
On a more serious and sombre note: It's looking very much like the detention centre/prison was rigged to explode. Not even a Russian artillery or rocket strike.

And while we can see some of the horrific footage from it, it's disgusting that Russian TV are showing such footage. Showing dismembered and charred limbs that aren't blurred on TV is just too far.
 
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sinnergy

Member
On a more serious and sombre note: It's looking very much like the detention centre/prison was rigged to explode. Not even a Russian artillery or rocket strike.

And while we can see some of the horrific footage from it, it's disgusting that Russian TV are showing such footage. Showing dismembered and charred limbs that aren't blurred on TV is just too far.
Dude Russia is lost , it has gone full ape shit Hitler show.
 

Thaedolus

Gold Member
Honestly I find the heinous brutality to just be a given at this point, I knew as soon as the invasion began it would happen and don’t see a reason to bring it up.

Rather, I try to focus on the good people who will triumph over such evil:

 

nemiroff

Gold Member
On a more serious and sombre note: It's looking very much like the detention centre/prison was rigged to explode. Not even a Russian artillery or rocket strike.

And while we can see some of the horrific footage from it, it's disgusting that Russian TV are showing such footage. Showing dismembered and charred limbs that aren't blurred on TV is just too far.

Seems like that's a more and more plausible scenario indeed.



The planned nature of this crime and its commission by the Russian side are indicated by many documented evidences: in particular, the deliberate transfer of fighters to a new premises shortly before the explosion, analysis of the nature of the damage and the movement of the blast wave, interception of the militants' telephone conversations, the absence of shelling in the specified place, and others.
The Security Service of Ukraine (SSU) later disclosed intercepted telephone conversations in which Russian occupiers confirm that Russian troops were responsible for the explosion in the building where the Ukrainian prisoners were held.

Intercepted call:

(R1): Hello. We have very bad news. Have you heard already?

(R2): Umm… now the news emerged that something arrived at you at Yelenovka.

(R1): This is all bullsh*t. They themselves hit the barracks. It had 200 people. Basically, two days ago they were resettled from the barracks, from the three barracks. The total number was up to 200 people. 190 and something. They were resettled for some reason to the industrial area, they made some sort of barracks there, boasting that everything will be taken out of here, and only “Azov” will remain there. Like, until the next wave *of prisoners* comes… So… Yesterday at night around 11pm the “Grad” started working… right under the fence… Well, around 100 meters from the fence, it was visible. 10 missiles at a time. The first 10 – resulted in an explosion. The next 10 also explosion. Third – explosion, so three explosions in total. The windows were not blown out anywhere, there was no characteristic arrival of a shell, no whistle. So there were only explosions. Right. A lot – “200”, “300” [dead and wounded]. We don’t know the exact number. Anyway, it’s all been set up, on purpose, you understand? Most likely there are survivors. Well, as I said, there are some medics from the hospital who were with us… they went there too…. Anyway, they said – “Guys, you are being killed”. You see? And also, there were three shots from the assault rifle. After all of this, the fire started… So yeah…

(R2): F*ck.

(R1): The fact that they set it all up themselves, the probability is very high, there were no arrivals. Like, first of all, if looking… *unintelligible* …it was after some time, not exactly when the “Grad” fired… to fire somewhere where people were resettled two days ago, right?

(R2): So they shelled the barracks with “Grad”s specifically?

(R1): No, the most likely have put this inside, there were no arrivals. I’m telling you.

(R2): The connection is poor, I cannot hear everything.

(R1): I see. They most likely set up an explosive device in advance…


Oh, and btw:

Russian economy ‘crippled at every level’ despite Putin’s propaganda
Russia’s economy is being “catastrophically” crippled by Western sanctions according to experts, despite Vladimir Putin’s efforts to hide the damage.

Analysts at Yale looking at “private Russian language and unconventional data sources” say imports have “collapsed” and domestic production “has come to a complete standstill”.
 
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TwinB242

Member
When the Azov soldiers surrendered, wasn't part of the deal that their safety would be guaranteed? So is the UN going to comment on that since they were the main organization involved in that deal, or are they just going to continue being useless...
 
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M1chl

Currently Gif and Meme Champion
When the Azov soldiers surrendered, wasn't part of the deal that their safety would be guaranteed? So is the UN going to comment on that since they were the main organization involved in that deal, or are they just going to continue being useless...
You need to understand that even historically, Russia gives zero fucks about human life, deals, etc... You operate with western mindset, which isn't applicable here.
 

Patrick S.

Banned
When the Azov soldiers surrendered, wasn't part of the deal that their safety would be guaranteed? So is the UN going to comment on that since they were the main organization involved in that deal, or are they just going to continue being useless...
Since when does RuZZia care about things like "deals" and "honor"?
 

Tams

Member
When the Azov soldiers surrendered, wasn't part of the deal that their safety would be guaranteed? So is the UN going to comment on that since they were the main organization involved in that deal, or are they just going to continue being useless...
I mean, the UN is toothless by design. And it has to be, otherwise few would bother signing up to it. So at least it does some good.

In conflicts it does pretty much nothing other than refugee support (and often manages to fuck that up in some way too). And it can only exert pressure on small countries committing atrocities, and even then, big countries with armed forces to match have to come in and do the dirty work. For a prime example of UN failure, look at Somalia. They've been there how many years now? And they are still stuck in what is essentially a few streets in the capital.
 

TwinB242

Member

No need to muddy the waters. If this is accurate than it absolutely needs investigating, but that doesn't somehow negate the thousands of war crimes that Russia has committed and continues to commit. Ukrainians are naturally going to be pissed and act out on their emotions sometimes, but its their women and children that are being raped and murdered by Russia's unwarranted aggression, so I definitely know which side im more sympathetic towards.
 
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Tams

Member
There's a huge difference between someone very angry and emotional letting their mouth off, and actually castrating someone. Also, try not to link to the Daily Fail.

From the very article you linked (with no comment):

But he later clarified, saying no order to castrate prisoners had been given and that his hospital 'saves lives, period.' However, he then added on Facebook: 'We are going to kill. Not prisoners - [but] brutal b*****ds who rape my land.'

I also don't think you are posting here in good faith.
 
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supernova8

Banned
I used to fuck a half Chinese chick, dude. Doesn't mean I know shit about the Ming Dynasty.

The Nazi party began in 1920... which is just a little bit before the start of the second world war. Hitler became the democratically elected chancellor of Germany in 1933.

WW2 wasn't the rise of the Nazis. It was their fall.

In more troubling and relevant news, the EU starting to really tie itself in knots over this gas shortage:


The cynic in me sees that and thinks "Wow the folks in the EU Commission must be looooving it". Every crisis usually ends with the Commission getting more and more power over the member states. And we wonder why the UK left the EU? To get out of shit like this. The EU institutions might mean well but seriously the Eurozone members were fucked as soon as they gave up their own currencies.
 

Kenpachii

Member
The cynic in me sees that and thinks "Wow the folks in the EU Commission must be looooving it". Every crisis usually ends with the Commission getting more and more power over the member states. And we wonder why the UK left the EU? To get out of shit like this. The EU institutions might mean well but seriously the Eurozone members were fucked as soon as they gave up their own currencies.

Exactly fuck the EU, no more power to brussel ever.
 

nemiroff

Gold Member


Putin Jugend


Yeah there's no point in dwelling over the correct use of nazi analogies over this clip.. They try to appear young and confident but in the end their only achievement is to embolden enemies their country and leaders created with their own hands.

With a production like that they must've done quite a few rehearsals and takes before the propaganda director got what he wanted. When you don't care about the moral decay of lying and gaslighting, this is one of the results.
 
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