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SCEA: 1.2m PS3s sold from Black Friday to Dec 31
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PepsimanVsJoe
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Lightning said:
Um WTF?
nextgeneration
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Let's do some math here. Since Sony is stating North America in their press release, this means that Canada is being included in their numbers. Canada = ~10% of US sales. 1.2 mil - 120k = 1.08 mil for the US.
For November, ps3 sold 466k units. Divide that by 4, and that comes out to a weekly total of 116.5k. Considering Black Friday is the biggest week in November, let's raise that week's total to say, 180k. Since that week isn't being counted in December NPD, let's subtract 180k from 1.08 mil, and you get an even 900k for December. Factor in another several days from January, and you'll get 900k+ for December NPD.
Not bad numbers but not spectacular. I think they're solid numbers, assuming they get in that range.
For November, ps3 sold 466k units. Divide that by 4, and that comes out to a weekly total of 116.5k. Considering Black Friday is the biggest week in November, let's raise that week's total to say, 180k. Since that week isn't being counted in December NPD, let's subtract 180k from 1.08 mil, and you get an even 900k for December. Factor in another several days from January, and you'll get 900k+ for December NPD.
Not bad numbers but not spectacular. I think they're solid numbers, assuming they get in that range.
Choke on the Magic
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mood said:
Why do some people see this as a shady move? Just make a NPD for the holiday season and then compare and contrast.
Sho_Nuff82
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800k-900k December is good for the PS3, but will be about 500k to 800k short compared to the competition.
What would be much more important is if Sony can keep some software in the top 10. Here's hoping those new PS3 owners are big spenders, a decent debut for UT3 and legs for Uncharted, AC, and COD4 would ease a lot of dev fears.
What would be much more important is if Sony can keep some software in the top 10. Here's hoping those new PS3 owners are big spenders, a decent debut for UT3 and legs for Uncharted, AC, and COD4 would ease a lot of dev fears.
Psychotext
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Given the price drops, model release and games available I think if this works out to be 900k for December then it's very disappointing.
Thunder Monkey
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Take a bigger chunk out of December then that.nextgeneration said:
Black Friday sees such an increase in sales that the majority of Novembers PS3 sales probably came from that week.
I guess you can call these sales good, but only if you think of the PS3 as the "3rd placer". The PS3 won't become the market leader, or even outpace the 360 if it can't come within 100,000 units of it.
So, in terms of a 3rd placer? Yeah, they're fine. But not to a market leader.
Guy Legend
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Redd said:
Same. I would venture to guess that the 80gb has a rather huge percentage of sales, although I'm not sure if it would be over half. Looking at Amazon for instance, the 80gb has always been ahead of the 40gb in sales. Retail musings here and a couple of other forums also support the notion that the 80gb is doing extremely well in the PS3 sales landscape.
Agreed.reilo said:
My friend told me that he's seen many PS3 ads on MTV, TNT & etc...that's what Sony needs to keep doing and do even more of. They have to bring it hardcore in 2008 and keep pushing the ad space as much as they can.
Maybe a kickass MGS4 bundle and they'll be good to go. Sony definitely needs to bring their "AAA" game in 2008, because there's absolutely no room for stupid mistakes anymore.
siamesedreamer
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nextgeneration said:
That's a pretty good analysis. I think it'll be in the range of 850-950k. Basically double the November numbers. Now, double both the 360 and Wii numbers from November for comparison sake and the Sony numbers don't look so good.
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Lightning said:
It's not that they screwed around their fans, lol, it's just that trusting Sony about these things is a bit funny. When Stringer went public about the 100k sold in a week, they specifically named the United States as where this happened. Now, this PR covers North America, so it could be both Canada and the United States for these figures.
BishopLamont
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Expected numbers. Is it good or bad? Depends on your expectations. Like all Sony PR regarding numbers though, I take it with a grain of salt.
nextgeneration
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siamesedreamer said:
Thanks. There was an error in my November number, as I've corrected it to 466k. But the approximation still stands at 900k+.
siamesedreamer said:
Sony's not trying to give a preview of December NPD sales. They are simply stating sold-through numbers from the start of the Christmas shopping season until the end of the year. The only way it's vague is for anyone trying to match that to December's NPD.
Warren Ellis
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Firewire said:
ssh, don't ruin the fun.
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donny2112 said:
My question is this just for the US or Canada and the US. North America covers both. When Stringer went public with the 100k sold in a week, they specifically pointed it that that was for the US only. That bit adds even more confusion to me. I'm trying to get a leg up in the predictions.
Yeah, I understand that 'screwed' is probably the wrong word but that was incredibly misleading for them to do that and it gave PS3 fans the wrong impression and ultimately making them look stupid come NPD time.Agent Icebeezy said:
Sony won't catch me on that one again... I wait for NPD before I care about any US numbers from Sony.
To put things in perspective, as Reuters points out, this amounts to two thirds as much of their whole sales in NA for the rest of the year.
Whatever you think of competitive comparisons with other systems, it is a big turnaround from how things looked even in August or September. I think they've at least primed things more nicely for 08 than one might have expected.
Whatever you think of competitive comparisons with other systems, it is a big turnaround from how things looked even in August or September. I think they've at least primed things more nicely for 08 than one might have expected.
BishopLamont
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The first Xbox did 690k in December shortly after it's launch, and did 1 million every year after until 2004. Here's PS2's December numbers.Bookey said:
2001:1,947,234
2002:2,686,288
2003:1,937,458
2004:990,219
2005:1,500,000
2006:1,400,000
nextgeneration
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Thunder Monkey said:
Yeah, you might be right in that the Black Friday week counted towards a bigger chunk than the 180k figure I used. Yeah, looking at these numbers from a "3rd placer," they're good, I think. But if Sony is to make up ground and narrow the lead between themselves and Microsoft and Nintendo, no, these numbers are not good at all.
Thunder Monkey
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So... should those of us that don't view this as a win just leave the thread then?Loudninja said:
This is a pretty civil thread. No ones being insulted or threatened. We are talking about sales numbers. Some view these in an optimistic light, others like me view them as another step in mediocrity for the PS3.
Guy Legend said:
Yeah I'm just very curious since everyone always says backwards compatibility isn't important to most people. If the 80 gig is outselling the 40 then it would show that MOST consumers love the idea that Sony came up with making their new consoles bc with their older models. They would have probably sold more if the 40 gb model had bc as well......but I don't know which model is selling more.
Agent Icebeezy said:
The article says "North America." I interpret that to be from Central America northwards.
Sony knows when they have a sale of a system, as they can track it internally. These aren't NPD-derived numbers, but rather internal Sony tracking numbers. That's why they can start the range on a Friday, when NPD only gets weekly reports from retailers with the week always ending on Saturday.
Agent Icebeezy said:My question is this just for the US or Canada and the US. North America covers both. When Stringer went public with the 100k sold in a week, they specifically pointed it that that was for the US only. That bit adds even more confusion to me. I'm trying to get a leg up in the predictions.
I wouldn't read to much into it. Listen Canada is at about 35 million people, consoles sales here are pretty low monthly, regardless of the platform, nothing earth shattering thats for sure. Don't expect adding Canadian numbers padded the performance, I'd say 95% of those numbers for sure maybe even more came from the states.
I don´t see any "NPD" there, the period they are giving it´s quite clear.
Of course, it is their own PR and they try to put themselves in good light -and there has been some hilarious spin from Sony PR- but I don´t see the problem with this one. NPD will probably be 850k-900k if Sony is not blatantly lying.
Seems pretty fair, we will see.
Of course, it is their own PR and they try to put themselves in good light -and there has been some hilarious spin from Sony PR- but I don´t see the problem with this one. NPD will probably be 850k-900k if Sony is not blatantly lying.
Seems pretty fair, we will see.
WickedAngel
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I don't see what the problem is.
These aren't outrageous claims; they're respectable numbers for a period where these systems are expected to do exceedingly well. If they'd came out and claimed 2.5mil+, I'd be raising the bullshit flag with both hands.
These aren't outrageous claims; they're respectable numbers for a period where these systems are expected to do exceedingly well. If they'd came out and claimed 2.5mil+, I'd be raising the bullshit flag with both hands.
It's effectively giving us more data. When we get the December NPDs, we can pretty accurately deduce the sales of black Friday, and then from there, together with the November NPDs, we can deduce the sales numbers for the first three weeks of November.mood said:
I greatly prefer this to a vague "We sold XYZ during the holiday sales period which we will not define for you durr hurr!".
Loudninja said:
You are joking. I'm surprised it lasted as long as it did.
gofreak said:
Agreed. As I said earlier in the thread, it's strange to think now that Sony didn't launch the 40gig SKU until late October.
As late as early to mid September people were speculating, quite rightly, that Sony might actually have to go into the Xmas season with just the 80gig SKU at it's original price.
Sony need to use this to keep driving momentum and not let the PS3's sales in NA start to erode again to where it once was, behind it's competitors month on month. It's about staying competitive and Sony has managed to start turning things around despite no big 'kller app' and a larger entry price this Xmas.
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