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Settle this debate chicken burger or chicken sandwich?
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Cracklox
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Seeing this thread on the front page makes for the last day or two make me feel like a chicken somethingarather for dinner later
Nah man. I gotcha. Was reading through that exchange and agreed with everything you said. Weird that the the unwritten rules of what constitutes a burger seem different here
Nah man. I gotcha. Was reading through that exchange and agreed with everything you said. Weird that the the unwritten rules of what constitutes a burger seem different here
Thanks to Capcom I think the world at large associates sandwich with being flattened by moving wall traps.
edit: derp, it was a descending ceiling trap
Fast Forward
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Psychoward
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Beef burger> chicken sandwich> chicken burger/turkey burger or any of that other crap etc.
A ceiling is just a wall above you though.
Typically parallel to the floor, but not always. It certainly doesn't matter what kind of bread it's on.
Nostremitus
Member
Depends on the bread. Burger bun? Burger.
Sandwich bread? Sandwich.
Sandwich bread? Sandwich.
That's a sandwich
Chicken sandwich
Chicken burger
Incorrect
BRB, I'm going to go enjoy my cheeseburger, which is just burger buns and a slice of cheese.
That's the craziest definition of burger I've ever heard. I agree with if it's ground meat it's a burger, otherwise it's a sandwich.
Yep. Those are both sandwiches.
Indeed, I said lets just settle on the fact that we call it a burger while you call it a sandwich, but they keep insisting only the American way is correct, as Americans are wont to do. Americans whove never travelled the world can suck it.
Youre absolutely correct.
Hambulance
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Zinger Sandwich, Zinger Zinger Sandwich...?
Lonewolf_92
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A sandwich is like a steak or a chicken nugget, a hamburger is like a meatloaf.
Rule of thumb is, if it's a solid piece of material, either slice(s) from a larger piece of material or a breaded patty, it's a sandwich.
If it is made of a patty formed of unbreaded ground material, it's a burger (the name coming from hamburger, aka mince in the UK).
I'm not australian but this looks like regular bread and not buns, so no I wouldn't call it a burger. There are previous examples in this thread that I'd call burgers though. Probably not very good ones but burgers nonetheless.We've been through this. So you, as an Australian, would call this burger?
K Clue iXi
Member
Exactly.
So much this. Shit, I'm not even well travelled but it's not exactly hard to discover that people use different terms in different places. The insistence from some that only one way of speaking is correct is quite frankly bizarre.
When I find differences I'm all like "Okay cool that's different to how we say it", usually just thinking it to myself, but I see a lot of other people like "No no no you're wrong, it's not that it's this, I've never heard anyone say that, I don't understand you", it's weird lol.
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This time it's not about Americans always wanting be right. Hamburger denotes a patty of some kind of ground meat. If it's a chicken breast between 2 hamburger buns the buns don't make it a burger the fact that the meat is not ground makes it a sandwich. Also hamburgers are not breaded like crispy chicken sandwiches.
No, but why do you keep insisting that the rest of the world call it the same as you? Its clear we have our own rules for what a burger is and Ive said from my second post in here you can keep calling it a chicken sandwich if you want. The ones posted below you are weird burgers, but burgers. Yours is not. Just leave us be, LOL.We've been through this. So you, as an Australian, would call this burger?
Thats clearly a croissant burger to me.
But what about in America? I mean, it has a beef patty, but also ham and bacon? Is it a sandwich because of the ham and bacon? Or is it a burger because of the beef patty?
milanbaros
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I just thought all burgers were sandwiches anyway.
the crossaint isn't grounded and then made into a patty (with no breading) tho
edit: just had a thought
if a burger refers to a ground patty
and a sandwich refers to a meal where two pieces of bread (buns or otherwise) is used to hold something
can we just call all of these burger sandwiches
except if it's a piece of chicken meat which we'll call piece of chicken between two pieces of bread
edit2: if i stack three slices of bread is it a bread sandwich? (not a burger)
That's a seasoned pork sausage patty. If the patty was prepared more like hamburger meat (as in a rougher grind with no added fat and much less seasoning) I would consider it to be in the burger family.
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You're not being consistent with your definition that is the issue.
polyh3dron
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if it was a chicken patty with ground chicken made to look like what a hamburger patty is like with a similar consistency, and no breading, then sure, it'd be a chicken burger.
i've literally never seen this though, so sandwich.
if it's a chicken burger, why we still got steak sandwiches?
i've literally never seen this though, so sandwich.
if it's a chicken burger, why we still got steak sandwiches?
Hands of Stone
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Always called it chicken sandwich.
Alright, serious response time:
You're basically arguing one colloquial terminology usage (a widely used one at that, don't get me wrong) for another (just as widely used)
If you wanted to get down to the actual semantics, let's first distill the meanings of the two words 'burger' and 'sandwich' to what they actually mean:
Burger
It bears mentioning (just to avoid confusion here) that 'hamburger' and 'burger' mean virtually the same thing, where 'ham' was most likely ditched partially as a natural contraction for ease of use, and partially to avoid confusion as to the type of meat used, since the term derives more from "Hamburg" than it does "Ham".
Sandwich
Now let's identify two different viewpoints in this thread, pulled from two of the better articulated yet contrary posts that large groups of people are likely to agree with.
AMERICA
AUSTRALIA
HOLD UP, BEAR WITH FALK HERE:
With those two examples now on the table, I'd like to point out that the very premise of this thread is flawed to begin with, as:
- a 'burger' generally refers to the patty or filling BUT has colloquially come to refer to a type of sandwich which is the most popular way it's served, to the point the specific type of bread this menu item comes with is referred to as 'burger buns'
- a 'sandwich' generally refers to a configuration of food where two pieces of bread (or bun, in the case of subway) contain a type of filling, strictly speaking INCLUSIVE of burger buns, BUT has colloquially come to refer to flat slices as opposed to burger buns, again due to popular menu items
You can't ask in absolute terms if something is one or the other when the definitions aren't even mutually exclusive to begin with.
The problem with the American way of looking at it is, you can't define a sandwich by its filling. It's the two pieces of bread that makes something a sandwich
or the ceiling and floor that makes a Jill sandwich
The problem with the Australian way of looking at it is, you can't define a burger by the type of bread used, even a specific type of bread known as a 'burger bun' is now generally known as a 'burger bun'. A burger is ground meat (very generally beef) made into a patty. Technically we can stretch this out to a 'chicken burger' meaning the chicken version of that, or chicken meat ground into a patty - (incidentally, strictly speaking there really is no bearing on it being breaded/processed or not that disqualifies a patty from being a patty). Changing the type of bread used should not change the definition of the patty, whether burger or otherwise.
Hence, a menu item by the strictest English definitions can both be a Chicken Burger AND a Chicken Sandwich at the same time, i.e. a chicken burger sandwich. Or one. Or neither. And like I said in my first serious post in the thread, it really boils down to what menu items people are used to seeing where they come from, and the name plastered next to the picture.
So coming back to this:
Sorry, it absolutely is.
Now sit down.
Sparkedglory
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I've ever heard chicken burger ever. So sandwhich
The Real Napsta
Member
This is the distinction.
CornBurrito
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Burger is specifically ground meat/vegetables pressed into a patty shape.
A chicken breast on a bun is a chicken sandwich.
A piece of steak on a bun would be a steak sandwich.
A chicken breast on a bun is a chicken sandwich.
A piece of steak on a bun would be a steak sandwich.
GoldenEye 007
Member
I do like my chicken burgers medium, though.
The Real Napsta
Member
Please tell me you're joking.
ThaiGrocer
Member
I thought sandwich was higher in heirarchy of food classification and that burger is just a type of sandwich. So what's the point of even making the comparison? Isn't the true question what constitutes as a burger sandwich? /CriticalFood
Reagan's BR
Banned
Done.
This. A hamburger is a phenotype of the genus Sandwich.
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I disagree.
I dont tthink anyone sells those?
I mean, sometimes when Im real lazy ill wrap a hot dog with a sandwich bun but it would just be 'a hotdog when I didnt have any hot dog buns.'
Sandwich = sandwich buns
If it makes Americans feel better, the last time I had a chicken burger from Red Rooster, it was shit.
There's still some old school burger joints across America that put burgers on regular bread.
In fact, America's first burger joint Louis' Lunch still uses regular bread, just like they did back in 1895.
Yeh this is a perfect example of what I was talking about, lol. Such insistence, so weird!
Different people from different places say different things. It's really not that hard to grasp.
Fun fact, where I live we don't use hamburger to refer to ground meat, we call that mince, and if we mean the patty we just say patty. If you say hamburger here it'd be taken to mean the burger as a whole, not just the meat. The more you know!
_/¯I Stalk Alone
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A hot dog is also a sandwich. A pizza is an open faced sandwich.
Doesn't matter if it's two slices from one loaf or a mini loaf aka bun sliced in half.
They are all sandwiches. If you want to make a distinction there are two ways.
The modern Hamburg steak method of ground meat into patty or the original which is a fillet. Both are needed to be cooked.
If it is cured meat then it is probably a not a burger style sandwich.
If you go the bread route you come into a sticky conundrum, because If I suddenly put my dick in a bun it doesn't necessafily turn into a cock burger, it's more like a subway foot long sandwich.
So there are two ways and one is more accurate than the other but can be used at the same time. If you wasnt to denote whether a certain chicken sandwich, since they are all sandwiches classifies as a burger style sandwich then maybe it's the grill or fry method that helps it on its way. The bread part can help but it is secondary to distinction from using sousvide chicken breast shredded and mixed with kewpie mayo or cured chicken sliced like ham.
You can make a Hamburg steak and finish it by dunking it into a Panko crumb. The breading does not denounce that it is a burger.
Now how about my sousvide Hamburg steaks at 54 degrees Celsius finished on a grill and torched? It is still a burger because of the way it was finished and not the way it was started.
Similarly, a chicken thigh fillet sousvide at 74 degrees Celsius or a chicken breast sousvide at 63 degrees Celsius and then crumbled and deepfried for one minute or uncrumbed and finished on grill pan is still a burger from the way it is finished.
However sliced or shredded sousvide chicken as is, is basically steamed or boiled chicken and therefore if put in bread will now enter the sandwich territory and is great with a smashed avocado and lettuce filling.
Thus, the bread is not the most important part of determining a burger, it is the way the meat has been finished and not how it started that denotes a burger. Deep fry, or panfry or grill or bbq flame grill or torch that that meat and it's a burger. A burger sandwich.
Doesn't matter if it's two slices from one loaf or a mini loaf aka bun sliced in half.
They are all sandwiches. If you want to make a distinction there are two ways.
The modern Hamburg steak method of ground meat into patty or the original which is a fillet. Both are needed to be cooked.
If it is cured meat then it is probably a not a burger style sandwich.
If you go the bread route you come into a sticky conundrum, because If I suddenly put my dick in a bun it doesn't necessafily turn into a cock burger, it's more like a subway foot long sandwich.
So there are two ways and one is more accurate than the other but can be used at the same time. If you wasnt to denote whether a certain chicken sandwich, since they are all sandwiches classifies as a burger style sandwich then maybe it's the grill or fry method that helps it on its way. The bread part can help but it is secondary to distinction from using sousvide chicken breast shredded and mixed with kewpie mayo or cured chicken sliced like ham.
You can make a Hamburg steak and finish it by dunking it into a Panko crumb. The breading does not denounce that it is a burger.
Now how about my sousvide Hamburg steaks at 54 degrees Celsius finished on a grill and torched? It is still a burger because of the way it was finished and not the way it was started.
Similarly, a chicken thigh fillet sousvide at 74 degrees Celsius or a chicken breast sousvide at 63 degrees Celsius and then crumbled and deepfried for one minute or uncrumbed and finished on grill pan is still a burger from the way it is finished.
However sliced or shredded sousvide chicken as is, is basically steamed or boiled chicken and therefore if put in bread will now enter the sandwich territory and is great with a smashed avocado and lettuce filling.
Thus, the bread is not the most important part of determining a burger, it is the way the meat has been finished and not how it started that denotes a burger. Deep fry, or panfry or grill or bbq flame grill or torch that that meat and it's a burger. A burger sandwich.