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So why isn't little big planet 1/2 a more popular game?
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neutralgamer02
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Yeah, b/c little big planet is a short game b/c it a nice coop integrated into it. Oh wait...
Nice try though.
ElectricBlue187
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I've been playing LBP2 with my son, even though he loves playing it with me it can be frustrating for both of us because of the large difference in platforming skill between us. That's probably the biggest thing limiting my enjoyment.
RedRedSuit
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It's not low. It's not high either. It's decent.
It's a reasonable point that a first-party sequel based on the same technology may be quite profitable at 1.5-2 million... but it's still not great. Besides, Sony presumably paid a pretty penny to buy MM themselves between LBP and LBP2. That's an expense in itself.
"Hearing" and buying are two different things. Hearing has nothing to do with anything.
RedRedSuit
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That's demonstrably false.
This thread made me replay LBP2 and although people are complaining about the floaty controls, I believe it really is the pacing that people have a problem with. Unlike other platformers LBP requires the flow to be interupted at any given time. The nature of the game is a hybrid of different games, you're not always platforming on every level. Sometimes you're just shitting about, playing with the levels objects, throwing shit. The game doesn't take platforming seriously because it's not just a platformer. It's whatever you want it to be in a 2D plain and yes it does share plattforming traits. But tell me, if they pitched it just as a platformer wouldn't that limit the potential UGC to just platforming? Take the game for what it is: a 2D Muti-genre game.
MightyHedgehog
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Call it whatever you want, frame it any way you want, it still has floaty controls.
Because it's a shit platformer.
Simple.
Anyone who thinks an arty creation system makes up for this, or that the game should be popular on merit is illogical. The game just doesn't work from the grounds up as a platformer. Not to mention the platforming genre as a whole isn't very popular nowadays, so to demand an audience's time you have to be up there with the best of your craft (such as Super Meat Boy). LittleBigPlanet is just a bad platformer with an excellent creation system.
Simple.
Anyone who thinks an arty creation system makes up for this, or that the game should be popular on merit is illogical. The game just doesn't work from the grounds up as a platformer. Not to mention the platforming genre as a whole isn't very popular nowadays, so to demand an audience's time you have to be up there with the best of your craft (such as Super Meat Boy). LittleBigPlanet is just a bad platformer with an excellent creation system.
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Misterinenja
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I liked LBP1 much more than 2 campaign-wise.
Shame people wrote this game off because of the platforming controls. There are well over 4 million levels on the servers and it's easy to find shit TONS of different stuff to play that has nothing to do with jumping. When Gevurah22 and I set the world records in New York last year we played well over 20 different genres of levels and that was just as LBP2 launched. Arcade games, pinball games, shooters, racers, puzzles, machinima..the list goes on and on. There is sooo much quality content to play from the community. The game has changed so much from LBP1 and is still changing on a daily basis. Free games every day, all day long. Not a bad deal IMO.
Nailed it. Loved everything about the game EXCEPT the feel of the platforming; and, well, it's kind of the most important part.
Deliberate
The game is even worse at being everything else than it is at being a platformer.
You're not helping its case.
But keep in mind, other than the experience of seeing what others have created, what's the over-arching goal here? I think the game's biggest issue is that it began life by being advertised as a platformer, and it's not a very good one of those; and while it certainly has evolved way past being strictly a platformer, I think the game is still contending with the original perception of it being one. Keeping this in mind, there's much better options, and said options have a cohesive set of goals, settings, and controls, versus just playing a variety of levels created by a community.
I think the idea and execution of LBP is fantastic; but I also feel that the concept needs to be re-skinned, re-branded, and then re-marketed if it wants to appeal to a new, bigger audience. Also, if future iterations are going to carry the same physics, then MediaMolecule needs to avoid it being billed as a platforming game from the out-set.
SkylineRKR
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Even though LBP adds levels on a daily basis, I'd rather work to a goal and play the likes of Rayman or Mario Bros instead. They look more appealing to me (LBP actually looked kind of foggy and soulless), and have gameplay that I would rate as being much better. In the end the gameplay decides if a game is fun or not.
The majority of UGC is shit. That goes for all games. In Modnation I also ended up playing a lot of tracks I just didn't enjoy at all. Ending up on a track that was better than the stock ones was rare.
The majority of UGC is shit. That goes for all games. In Modnation I also ended up playing a lot of tracks I just didn't enjoy at all. Ending up on a track that was better than the stock ones was rare.
I only played LBP1, and I love the visual style but like others have said I don't like the floaty controls at all. I also always felt like I was just messing around in the game and not really accomplishing anything. I know I was unlocking new levels and stuff but for some reason the game lacked a sense of progress for me.
Doom was almost 20 years ago dude.
All of the reasons why LBP wasn't more successful have been covered and reiterated ten times over in this thread already. The creation tools were first-rate and introducing local 4-person multiplayer to the platforming genre was an important decision, but when you get right down to it the game wasn't very fun to play. People would spend days/weeks/months crafting levels, and then people would play them once before moving on to the next custom level among the disorganized mess that was the online mode.
People who say "if you expect it to play like Mario, you're doing it wrong" are missing the point. A platforming game needs to be fun to control/play. Running, jumping, and navigating obstacles are the entire core of the gameplay. All of those things should feel tight and responsive, especially when being played from the 2D perspective that LBP uses. In the end, New Super Mario Bros. Wii took the 4-player concept and created a MUCH more enjoyable multiplayer platforming experience than what we got with LBP. Slapping each other's Sackboys is fun for the first five minutes, but Mario's tight gameplay and fresh challenges around every corner give it legs.
People who say "if you expect it to play like Mario, you're doing it wrong" are missing the point. A platforming game needs to be fun to control/play. Running, jumping, and navigating obstacles are the entire core of the gameplay. All of those things should feel tight and responsive, especially when being played from the 2D perspective that LBP uses. In the end, New Super Mario Bros. Wii took the 4-player concept and created a MUCH more enjoyable multiplayer platforming experience than what we got with LBP. Slapping each other's Sackboys is fun for the first five minutes, but Mario's tight gameplay and fresh challenges around every corner give it legs.
Muffdraul
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I was really, really excited about LBP when it was announced, and I couldn't wait to play it. I remember it eventually came out on a Saturday, I ran out and bought it, raced home and started playing. I played it for a few days and then stopped and went back to Dead Space, which had come out about a week earlier and I'd already played from beginning to end a few times. I never did go back to LBP. I didn't dislike it... it just didn't grab me like I thought it would. I played with the creation tools a bit, that sort of thing isn't my cup of tea. I bought LBP2, but it's still sealed. Someday I'll go back and "finish" LBP1 and crack open LBP2.
I absolutely loved LBP. It was a really refreshing take on platforming with all the creation and sharing tools. I never minded the floaty mechanics, it made the game feel different to the likes of Mario. It also made the characters feel like animated puppets, which I think is what MM tried to convey. I was more impressed with the integration of the physics to 2D platforming elements than the jumping mechanics.
Many fun times were had with a group of friends. It's a hilarious game to play with others, I still remember the first time I whacked my friend into a fiery pit.
Many fun times were had with a group of friends. It's a hilarious game to play with others, I still remember the first time I whacked my friend into a fiery pit.
turnbuckle
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It just wasn't very fun. Loved the visuals, tried convincing myself that I'd like it if I kept playing. It never clicked with me, and once I started playing the new MLB, Contra, and Portal 2 I never bothered to look back. I remember picking up 3D dot game heroes at the same time and that scratched an itch I was having while LBP did nothing for me at all.
BolognaSoup
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This is a key distinction. You could say Super Meat Boy is also super floaty, but it doesn't detract from the game play in any way.
I love LBP myself but my biggest problem has always been janky as hell online play.
You have a good point. This thread proves that its still perceived as just a platformer with floaty controls. Personally I think the controls are great, but then again I have played the game for years so I don't fault anyone for feeling that way. It's an amazing game that appeals to a broad audience. It's a very social game. It's extremely creative and always a different game from day to day. The editor is unbelievable and quite simple for the depth that it carries. I don't need goals to enjoy playing the community levels, I just love the exploration of finding inspiring stories, awesome gameplay, original music, machinima, original mini games and yes..even the platforming.
Brainiac 8
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I play LBP2 with my kids. It's fun, and there are times that the platforming is too frustrating for them, but they love it.
For me, I do like it, and I love the creative aspect of it, but the actual platforming is pretty terribad. It's slippery, floaty, and has poor hit detection.
Still fun though.
For me, I do like it, and I love the creative aspect of it, but the actual platforming is pretty terribad. It's slippery, floaty, and has poor hit detection.
Still fun though.
Floaty, and the rest of the controls felt terrible. It just wasn't fun.
As to why it isn't popular, don't know. All my friends that have ps3s bought the first one but only one person bought the second game. Once I saw that the default controls were still there for the sequel I didn't bother. Such a shame too, some of the user created levels for the first game were really good.
As to why it isn't popular, don't know. All my friends that have ps3s bought the first one but only one person bought the second game. Once I saw that the default controls were still there for the sequel I didn't bother. Such a shame too, some of the user created levels for the first game were really good.
Do people realize you can do other things in LBP2 that isn't platforming? Some of the most awesome levels have nothing to do with platforming and are great to play with friends.
I've rarely had a problem with the controls either way. It's floaty, yes which is different but for me it's not frustrating. If you want your game to control like Mario, play Mario.
I've rarely had a problem with the controls either way. It's floaty, yes which is different but for me it's not frustrating. If you want your game to control like Mario, play Mario.
XANDER CAGE
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Yeah, you can play bad fighting game or bad racing game or bad shooter! What variety.
So i should buy a platformer and expect not to enjoy the platforming, but what other people made online?
If you want your games to control well, go play games with good controls.
Beyond the mechanical issues, which are plentiful, they never got the user made shit right. The second you boot LBP2 you should be met with a daily playlist picked by MM, five or ten user made levels, zero effort on the user's part to find quality content.
There's lots of great stuff, but I don't care enough to look for it, I want it presented to me like I would any other content.
There's lots of great stuff, but I don't care enough to look for it, I want it presented to me like I would any other content.
I love the LBP series.
I'm not very far in 2, but I find the series fascinating and enjoyable.
I don't particularly have a problem with the floaty controls, and find that it gives the game a uniqueness in the world of platformers that are often aping (and failing to do so), Mario Brother's controls.
I love the visual and audio presentations of both games (and the PSP one was great as well), and the complexity of the editing tools are staggering for a console game.
It's a series that is understandably not for everybody, but that goes for pretty much every game and franchise in the industry.
I'm not very far in 2, but I find the series fascinating and enjoyable.
I don't particularly have a problem with the floaty controls, and find that it gives the game a uniqueness in the world of platformers that are often aping (and failing to do so), Mario Brother's controls.
I love the visual and audio presentations of both games (and the PSP one was great as well), and the complexity of the editing tools are staggering for a console game.
It's a series that is understandably not for everybody, but that goes for pretty much every game and franchise in the industry.
Eh what 3d platform games has had proper co-op? I cant think of any? And why are you comparing SMG to LBP and meatboy? It's totally different genres. There was however this other Mario game a few years ago that was 2D and did have fantastic multiplayer. While it wasn't online, neither was LBP in practice until 6 months and a 100 patches after release
Dude..you do get this. Its like three button presses from the game start. Levels picked by Mm for their quality and 1000's of the highest rated levels from the last few years to present another button or two away. You don't have to search for quality content in LBP2.
I'll be sure to give my daughters a stern talking to about this. Thanks.
As I said to you earlier. Pack ins.
In terms of actual stand alone sales, I don't think LBP did as well as those who support the game think. Hence why it became a pack-in so quickly (I know this rule doesn't apply to all games that get packed in).
I really REALLY doubt we'll see a LBP 3.
Do better. Stop slowing the boy down you bumbling buffoon.