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Sony: PSP2 (NGP) will be affordable
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TacticalFox88
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You know what? As hilarious as a high price would be, if this things sub-250, I think I'll probably go insane.
Day 1 no matter what the price.
Day 1 no matter what the price.
Opus Angelorum
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drohne said:
Incorrect, the $180 is only the components.
Always-honest
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That would be a reasonable price i think. But only if E3 shows me why i can't live without it.Elios83 said:
MarshMellow96
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Soo..
'At a loss' means $500? Which would mean £500 for me.. Yeah right!
We don't know yet. All I know if it's anywhere near the 3DS price I will be getting the NGP instead.
'At a loss' means $500? Which would mean £500 for me.. Yeah right!
We don't know yet. All I know if it's anywhere near the 3DS price I will be getting the NGP instead.
_Alkaline_ said:
That was my point Alkaline, the iPad is 'just' an entertainment device. Sure you can create music and edit some documents on it, check your mail.. but nothing that makes a laptop unmissable. As an entertainment device, it seems PSP2 hits on much of the same notes.. and goes well beyond the iPad when it comes to gaming.
I fail to see how adding features people want (dual sticks, touch screen) and adding unexpected stuff such as an OLED quality screen, back touch-pad, 3G, can somehow be spun as Sony not getting it.
What was their alternative? And I'd love to hear your response.
1) Not release anything and go third party.
2) Release a device that's somehow not a step above the (still rather impressive considering its age) PSP tech.
Even if they are launching it at $300, would that be too much simply because Apple has the iPhone on the market where people can get games for 1$ a pop and not feel guilty about purchasing sub-par games without dedicated controls?
In my opinion we as gamers should all be grateful that Sony is risking so much, to deliver a device that will perhaps be the last of its kind. Catering to gamers.
I'm happy about the 3DS too, but at the same time I have a feeling that Nintendo is, as usual, playing it safe with inexpensive hardware and we can see the 3DSLite coming before the 3DS is released. Sure they have 3D.. but is that really enough? (And if it is enough, than why be hypocritical about the PSP and blame it for pushing fancy graphics?)
Kuran said:
you thought my little remark was offensive enough to be bannable? jeesh, thin skin, indeed.
the market will decide if the thing is overpriced. it is not going to be a multi purpose device like the ipad so comparisons to its price are not gonna fly. you might as well compare it to a netbook that can play CS, WOW and Diablo 2...
if it's 300, it's not overpriced for me. but I suspect that it would still be overpriced for the portable market as a whole.
and, yes, i think $250 for the 3DS is pushing it.
The Take Out Bandit
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_Alkaline_ said:
The bar has been raised for a while now.
I don't mind paying a slight premium (original PSP) for a good multifunction device.
All I need are some games that look fun to play, or sequels to stuff I know is good (Warriors Orochi 3 plz).
[Nintex] said:
well... Nintendo already played their cards. they're not changing hardware (or price) at this stage. myabe there'll be an influence on some software down the line??
Apple isn't gunning for the gaming-only market. they don't invest in gaming software development like the others. they will continue to excel at supplying the most portable of portable systems but this won't alter their plans, either.
MS... who the fuck knows? maybe if win phone 7 takes off, you'll see more games on the thing and they might make a bigger push with the zune hd2 as a gaming platform?
Opus Angelorum
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[Nintex] said:
Nintendo showed their hand, including specifics like a release date and price (in the US anyway).
This showing from Sony was a direct response to this. Only they withheld the price because it's likely to be higher.
Pureauthor
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Kuran said:
I don't think you get it. Insofar as I am concerned about the price, it's in regards to a flat value, and whatever they stuff in there has absolutely no bearing on whether I consider it expensive or cheap.
PS2 level tech for USD 200 =
PS3 level tech, 3G, back touch-pad, OLED, whatever for USD 300 = Expensive
It's that simple.
[Nintex] said:
-MS don't have a handheld, has no effect on them
-3DS releases in a few months, changes to the hardware won't be made at this point
Sony know what they are doing though, people forget quickly for some strange reason that PSP has sold over 50 million and it actually made them money. I seriously doubt the PSP was conservative for it's time, I remember being in 13-14 and really wanting it. So long as the games are up for rent this will be a day one purchase, just loving what I've seen so far but will only get one or two games a year.
Opus Angelorum said:
quite right; it costs about another $6.50 to assemble: http://wap.npr.org/news/Technology/133029198?singlePage=true
this is far from a watertight argument, but if psp2 is something like an iphone 5 with a fancier screen and twice the cpu and gpu cores, and if apple isn't planning to take on manufacturing costs massively greater than iphone 4's, then i don't know why people think psp2 would cost $400 or $500 to build
Mailenstein
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Funny how people are hoping for $249. That's the new $149 then I guess lol.
_Alkaline_
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Kuran said:
If Sony didn't want 3D, they still had a fantastic opportunity to undercut the 3DS and provide something cheaper whilst still having superior visual technology. They could've created something in realm of $150-$200, a price which would appeal to the mainstream crowd and subsequently foster a culture of pick-up-and-play games that its comprehensive online infrastructure would support with aplomb. It would also be completely capable of delivering more in-depth experiences like the PSP did.
Instead they went bonkers, put all of their eggs in the one basket and will sell it at some ridiculous price of $300 or over, therefore making it far less appealing to the mainstream, likely selling it at a loss and possibly encouraging developers to simply port over their PS3 projects because of the high development costs for original content. Not to mention a considerable size and poor battery life which will greatly lessen its portable appeal.
The handheld market should be a place for any developer to lean back on and feel comfortable in creating original, low-budget experiences. The PSP2 is basically saying "give us your epic masterpieces or just give us PS3 ports instead."
Sony keep thinking that everyone wants amazing graphics and are willing to pay through the nose for it, but the last five years have shown anything but. The PSP2's hook - high-end visual experiences outside the house - is something that just doesn't appeal to many people outside the core gamer niche.
Rollo Lawson
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im betting 300
Souldriver
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Not that I necessarily don't believe Sony about this...
But right now they can say pretty much whatever they want, as the actual launch is still a year away. It's Sony's job right now to just get people hyped up enough for the handheld that they perhaps hold off from buying a 3DS. So sending optimistic message in the world about low price, good battery life, etc, are not surprising.
But right now they can say pretty much whatever they want, as the actual launch is still a year away. It's Sony's job right now to just get people hyped up enough for the handheld that they perhaps hold off from buying a 3DS. So sending optimistic message in the world about low price, good battery life, etc, are not surprising.
Pureauthor
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LiK said:
As of right now, I'm pretty sure Apple commands a better image of a 'premium' hardware creator than Sony does.
_Alkaline_
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LiK said:
Once again, let's not compare Apple to any of the gaming companies. Even Nintendo.
_Alkaline_ said:
I really don't get why you would want 'less' from a device. Is price really an issue? We already know this won't cost $600, and eventually the price will drop. I'd gladly pay for something that's clearly as impressive and gaming-centric as this device.. and I'm sure plenty of other people in my situation will too.
You do understand that these new handheld devices will have to last for the next five to six years, right?
LiK said:
the thing is though... their CE devices are hardly priced way above the competition - where there is competition. entry ipod touch with high res screen: 230 USD.
entry ipad (much more versatile than gaming handheld) 500 USD.
their $1000+ super premium market is for computers, not their handhelds.
I think the potential issue with price here is that Sony might want to compete with the ipad's price as they boast about their tech but they need to realize they're competing with the ipod touch's price.
Opus Angelorum
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@ expy
Certainly in the UK with the recent rise of VAT to 20% (and the chance of increased interest rates), the PSP 2 will most definitely be seen as too expensive.
Certainly in the UK with the recent rise of VAT to 20% (and the chance of increased interest rates), the PSP 2 will most definitely be seen as too expensive.
_Alkaline_
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Kuran said:
Who said anything about less? You can still have more without being ridiculous about it. And both Sony and Nintendo (but especially Sony) have been ridiculous.
Now don't get me wrong - aside from the likely horrible price and even more likely shithouse battery life, the PSP2 seems to do everything a core gamer would want in a handheld machine.
But that's exactly it. No one else wants all this stuff. Yeah you'll get the odd dudebro who will be like "i heard that gwafix on it waz crazy" and buy it no matter the price, but those girls and guys who made the DS so successful through shit like Nintendogs, Brain Training, etc...most of these people won't be interested in the PSP2. Why would they? They're not looking for PS3 graphics in a handheld, and they certainly won't be willing to pay 300+ bucks for it.
Just because GAF wants it doesn't mean the rest of the world will want it. Like the PSP and PS3 it delivers exactly what the core gamer wants, but what the core gamer wants and what the vast majority want aren't the same. There's a reason the DS and Wii have been successful, and instead of learning from their mistakes, Sony seems content on doing the exact same thing again. It's just stupid.
Kuran said:
No it isn't. Its a netbook like device that provides an easy to use alternative to a PC for people that just want to surf the internet/write documents/check email/etc. The PSP2 is a dedicated games device. They are targeting totally different markets. The PSP2 will not be nearly as good at these tasks as a device designed around doing them (Ipad).
Kuran said:
People that buy Ipads don't give a shit about that kind of stuff. Neither do casuals. Hardcore enthusiasts and GAF'ers do though.
Kuran said:
Kuran said:
Kuran said:
Sure sounds like it.
Kuran said:
Thanks. I lolled.
Exactly. They're in a dangerous position, and pricing will be crucial. Game pricing even more so. Parents are buying iPod touches for their kids in droves because they know the games that go with it are cheap. What happens if Sony prices games at $40 + ? How do they compete?LCfiner said:
heliconsoul
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This thing is definitely going to be £299+, especially with the 3DS being £230.
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