I haven't made my mind up yet, but $299 is definitely the breaking point.LCfiner said:Affordable... for gazillionaires!
If they go for broke and sell this for 300, then I'm in on day one. If only for the tech lust factor.
I haven't made my mind up yet, but $299 is definitely the breaking point.LCfiner said:Affordable... for gazillionaires!
If they go for broke and sell this for 300, then I'm in on day one. If only for the tech lust factor.
drohne said:..an iphone apparently costs about $180 to build...
That would be a reasonable price i think. But only if E3 shows me why i can't live without it.Elios83 said:Sounds like 299$ for the full package to me, which would be great for what if offers.
_Alkaline_ said:The iPad is a not a dedicated gaming console. Let's not pretend the PSP2 is something other than that. They are considerably different products.
On that note, the Ipad is directed to a much larger audience than the PSP2. This will be one of the biggest flaws of Sony's console.
Apple is also a much stronger brand than Sony right now. Suffice to say, the PSP/PS3 doesn't exactly have the same recognition or popularity as the iPod/iPad/iPhone combo right now.
Sony clearly do not get it. Neither do Nintendo, for that matter, except for the 3D thing. They are stepping backwards by removing aspects that made the DS successful whilst Sony is standing still and keeping aspects that made the PSP/PS3 model broken.
Kuran said:It's time for these shitty price jokes to become a bannable offense. Or at least allow people to doubly criticize 3DS on the same fact (overpriced for what you're getting).
_Alkaline_ said:Anything over $200 is unacceptable for a portable console, regardless of how powerful it is. If this thing is $300 or over, Sony don't get it. Nintendo don't get it either, but the PSP2 is probably going to make it look rather inexpensive in comparison.
Lol MS..[Nintex] said:It's coming out this christmas? I'm surprised that Sony showed their cards this early this gives MS, Apple and Nintendo at least 9 months to come up with a counter if they even need one.
[Nintex] said:It's coming out this christmas? I'm surprised that Sony showed their cards this early this gives MS, Apple and Nintendo at least 9 months to come up with a counter if they even need one.
[Nintex] said:I'm surprised that Sony showed their cards this early this gives MS, Apple and Nintendo at least 9 months to come up with a counter if they even need one.
Kuran said:*stuff*
[Nintex] said:It's coming out this christmas? I'm surprised that Sony showed their cards this early this gives MS, Apple and Nintendo at least 9 months to come up with a counter if they even need one.
Opus Angelorum said:Incorrect, the $180 is only the components.
Kuran said:That was my point Alkaline, the iPad is 'just' an entertainment device. Sure you can create music and edit some documents on it, check your mail.. but nothing that makes a laptop unmissable. As an entertainment device, it seems PSP2 hits on much of the same notes.. and goes well beyond the iPad when it comes to gaming.
I fail to see how adding features people want (dual sticks, touch screen) and adding unexpected stuff such as an OLED quality screen, back touch-pad, 3G, can somehow be spun as Sony not getting it.
What was their alternative? And I'd love to hear your response.
1) Not release anything and go third party.
2) Release a device that's somehow not a step above the (still rather impressive considering its age) PSP tech.
Even if they are launching it at $300, would that be too much simply because Apple has the iPhone on the market where people can get games for 1$ a pop and not feel guilty about purchasing sub-par games without dedicated controls?
In my opinion we as gamers should all be grateful that Sony is risking so much, to deliver a device that will perhaps be the last of its kind. Catering to gamers.
I'm happy about the 3DS too, but at the same time I have a feeling that Nintendo is, as usual, playing it safe with inexpensive hardware and we can see the 3DSLite coming before the 3DS is released. Sure they have 3D.. but is that really enough? (And if it is enough, than why be hypocritical about the PSP and blame it for pushing fancy graphics?)
I dunno, Apple does fine with their premium prices.The M.O.B said:Considering the average American makes around $2,500 a month (With tons not even having jobs). After bills, gas money, food, etc. It gonna be an extremely hard for Sony to pitch anything above $300 dollars as "affordable" in the US.
LiK said:I dunno, Apple does fine with their premium prices.
LiK said:I dunno, Apple does fine with their premium prices.
_Alkaline_ said:If Sony didn't want 3D, they still had a fantastic opportunity to undercut the 3DS and provide something cheaper whilst still having superior visual technology. They could've created something in realm of $150-$200, a price which would appeal to the mainstream crowd and subsequently foster a culture of pick-up-and-play games that its comprehensive online infrastructure would support with aplomb. It would also be completely capable of delivering more in-depth experiences like the PSP did.
Instead they went bonkers, put all of their eggs in the one basket and will sell it at some ridiculous price of $300 or over, therefore making it far less appealing to the mainstream, likely selling it at a loss and possibly encouraging developers to simply port over their PS3 projects because of the high development costs for original content. Not to mention a considerable size and poor battery life which will greatly lessen its portable appeal.
The handheld market should be a place for any developer to lean back on and feel comfortable in creating original, low-budget experiences. The PSP2 is basically saying "give us your epic masterpieces or just give us PS3 ports instead."
Sony keep thinking that everyone wants amazing graphics and are willing to pay through the nose for it, but the last five years have shown anything but. The PSP2's hook - high-end visual experiences outside the house - is something that just doesn't appeal to many people outside the core gamer niche.
"this economy" is it really still THAT bad? Lots of job creation here; and just look at the reaction to other devices 3DS @ 250, iPhone4 @ 200-600 depending on contracts... Yea... ~300-400 is expensive forthis kind of device.. :rolleyesKadey said:In this economy, $200 is not even affordable for the masses. I can't really see it being less than $300. Based on Sony's history, they haven't exactly been smart with anything.
LiK said:I dunno, Apple does fine with their premium prices.
Sometimes less is more (batter life).Kuran said:I really don't get why you would want 'less' from a device. Is price really an issue? We already know this won't cost $600, and eventually the price will drop. I'd gladly pay for something that's clearly as impressive and gaming-centric as this device.. and I'm sure plenty of other people in my situation will too.
You do understand that these new handheld devices will have to last for the next five to six years, right?
As if that ONLY applies to the NGP... Come on...Opus Angelorum said:@ expy
Certainly in the UK with the recent rise of VAT to 20% (and the chance of increased interest rates), the PSP 2 will most definitely be seen as too expensive.
It probably would've been if only Nintendo priced the damn 3DS at $199ULTROS! said:I hope it's $249
Kuran said:I really don't get why you would want 'less' from a device. Is price really an issue? We already know this won't cost $600, and eventually the price will drop. I'd gladly pay for something that's clearly as impressive and gaming-centric as this device.. and I'm sure plenty of other people in my situation will too.
You do understand that these new handheld devices will have to last for the next five to six years, right?
Kuran said:That was my point Alkaline, the iPad is 'just' an entertainment device
Kuran said:I fail to see how adding features people want (dual sticks, touch screen) and adding unexpected stuff such as an OLED quality screen, back touch-pad, 3G, can somehow be spun as Sony not getting it.
Kuran said:I have a feeling that Nintendo is, as usual, playing it safe with inexpensive hardware and we can see the 3DSLite coming before the 3DS is released. Sure they have 3D.. but is that really enough?
Kuran said:Or at least allow people to doubly criticize 3DS on the same fact (overpriced for what you're getting)
Kuran said:I'm happy about the 3DS
Kuran said:In my opinion we as gamers should all be grateful that Sony is risking so much, to deliver a device that will perhaps be the last of its kind. Catering to gamers.
Exactly. They're in a dangerous position, and pricing will be crucial. Game pricing even more so. Parents are buying iPod touches for their kids in droves because they know the games that go with it are cheap. What happens if Sony prices games at $40 + ? How do they compete?LCfiner said:the thing is though... their CE devices are hardly priced way above the competition - where there is competition. entry ipod touch with high res screen: 230 USD.
entry ipad (much more versatile than gaming handheld) 500 USD.
their $1000+ super premium market is for computers, not their handhelds.
I think the potential issue with price here is that Sony might want to compete with the ipad's price as they boast about their tech but they need to realize they're competing with the ipod touch's price.
PSP Minis!Tobor said:Exactly. They're in a dangerous position, and pricing will be crucial. Game pricing even more so. Parents are buying iPod touches for their kids in droves because they know the games that go with it are cheap. What happens if Sony prices games at $40 + ? How do they compete?
That means contract, contract, contract.INPAQ said:Subsidy, subsidy, subsidy...