MugiwaraCole
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Fox X-Men movies have been on the low end of superhero special effects for a minute. Their wire work is atrocious.
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Spider-Man 1 and 2 hold up very well.
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Fox X-Men movies have been on the low end of superhero special effects for a minute. Their wire work is atrocious.
That's not his argument. It's that Wolverine is too savage.
yeah I love Maximum Carnage. Separation Anxiety too but I'll usually just play Maximum Carnage lol.
are there others?
Sgt. Kabukiman
Banned
Which version?
Bale Batman cannot stand to see Catwoman using a gun. The original Bob Kane / Bill Finger character was quite happy to gun down criminals. He was a psychopath who would happily throw his enemies to their death in a vat of acid and then congratulate himself on a job well done. So, is every subsequent version of Batman a betrayal of the character?
And what about fun-loving 60s Batman? He probably doesn't even understand the concept of brooding, how close is he to Bale?
Again, the fact that you don't see your Spider-Man in Raimi's version is fine. As is the fact that you're looking forward to Homecoming because it might resemble more closely what you want out of the character. But the Raimi films absolutely ARE Spider-Man movies.
MugiwaraCole
Member
Nah. He just described Peter Parker.
Shit I said the same thing bout that ass wire work.
Hidden One
Member
Spiderman 2 still has the best comic movie fight scene on the train.
did you accidentally quote the wrong side of the argument?
cr0w
Old Member
Spider-Man vs. The Kingpin, which is the very first one. The box just says Spider-Man, though.
Spider-Man vs. The Kingpin, which is the very first one. The box just says Spider-Man, though.
I played the fuck out of this. I remember Venom being a pain in the ass.
I got some bad news man
those Spider-Man games sucked. I never wanted to admit it as a kid but in my heart I knew better
Secret Character
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I'll say one thing about the first two Spider-Man movies: The casting for everybody who wasn't Peter and MJ was spot on. JK Simmons as JJJ, Rosemary Harris as Aunt May, Willem Dafoe as Norman Osborne, and Alfred Molina as Otto Octavious were all some of the best casting that has ever been done for a superhero movie.
Hell, half of what makes Spider-Man 2 still hold up is just how good Alfred Molina is as Doc Ock.
Hell, half of what makes Spider-Man 2 still hold up is just how good Alfred Molina is as Doc Ock.
Oh yeah, Nightmare difficulty was really terrifying as a kid for me. Remember all those areas you're used to with just bad guys? Well, here's a Venom boss fight every twenty steps while you have to fight those regular bad guys too.Spider-Man vs. The Kingpin, which is the very first one. The box just says Spider-Man, though.
cr0w
Old Member
I'll stand by Spider-Man vs The Kingpin and the two symbiote-related beat 'em ups until the day I die. I love those games.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
I don't like how they handled Doc Ock but yes he was perfectly casted goddamn
they're spider man movies but they're not spider man movies
ya dig
Spider-Man vs. The Kingpin, which is the very first one. The box just says Spider-Man, though.
I'll have to check that out. I was a SNES kid so I only got the beat em ups. and whatever that game was with the X Men and Spider Man.
Subpar Spatula
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Atrocious is some hyperbole. Like, you do know what that means right?
Lol you got a point, hey agree to disagree, the Batman I grew up with was not psychopath Batman, more like BtAS Batman, I also care less about him as a character so anything I say bout him is eh. His core character traits to me are his nature as Batman to be brooding and on the clock all the time. Wanting no one to get hurt in his crusade against crime, having hisbhead so far up his ass he won't accept help until absolutely necessary. Using Bruce Wayne as a mask while Batman is the real person. Shit like that.
Foxtastical
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Why do people care so much about how Spider-Man was depicted in previous media? "HE'S NOT QUIPPY ENOUGH."
Who cares? Why is that more important than character development or having scenes where the audience actually feels something?
Who cares? Why is that more important than character development or having scenes where the audience actually feels something?
Pai Pai Master
Banned
It bugs the shit outta me that Nolan Batman really didn't do that much shit, he kinda failed upwards for a year or two then disappeared for a while, comes back and fakes his death and then just peaces out with Catwoman for good lol
His obsession with Rachel was absolutely the low point of that take on the character.
Why do people insist that faithfully adapting a character prevents those things?
See and because Batman is purposefully my blind spot in terms of character shit, that never bothered me.
That motherfucker failed upward hard! But I got two great movies and one good movie outta his journey
Acting like I can't see all of these things. Why?
MugiwaraCole
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Geno Breaker
Banned
Spider-Man media needs to reach a certain quips-per-minute threshold to be real Spider-Man.
MugiwaraCole
Member
Because it's possible to do both. Jesus Christ.
Subpar Spatula
Banned
Good thing there's no definitive version if the character. Also, that's 100% irrelevant. Criticize the movie.
It's of my opinion you are being hyperbolic and insincere to the actual discussion. These movies do not exist in a vacuum. I can show you atrocious wire work. At least be honest or else people will not take you seriously.
Didn't he retire because he thought he "won" at the end of TDK? With all the gang/mob members jailed without parole?
why is this framed as an either/or?
MugiwaraCole
Member
It's an adaptation, which means you're allowed to criticize how close it gets to nailing the character, even if you really love the movie (which most of us do). Shocking, I know.
cr0w
Old Member
Yeah if you're not really into Batman in the comics or otherwise it wouldn't be a sticking point. It adds good motivation to the character for those who aren't attached to the comic versions.
It bugs the shit out of me because Begins was so good and close to getting it right, then they just reverse course in TDK and TDKR and it all becomes about RACHELLLLL.
Goddamn if Bruce shut down every time someone he's close to gets killed off, he'd never get anything done. His entire existence is about being Batman, he can't live without it.
Yeah I really didn't like Nolan's take on Batman, and as well made as those films are, I just don't like them outside of Batman Begins.
We are connected.
cr0w
Old Member
He retired because he still wasn't over Rachel, and Alfred hid the note from her telling him she'd moved on.
That's what I'm doing, though?
This may be the reason I ain't a huge Batmam fan. Like his characters and villains outside of Joker, but Bruce Wayne ain't shit.
I care that there are actors that can act playing Parker and MJ that make me feel something.
The only thing the Raimi films make me feel is annoyed at how terrible they are.
Subpar Spatula
Banned
You can't because it makes no sense. It literally makes zero sense. You are criticizing a movie based off features the movie never had in the first place. Do you judge almonds for not having strawberry filling?
That's so off the mark from what then? What does it conflict with in the movie? It's been shown that he'll give up being Batman for Rachel.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
Doesn't matter what Bruce does or doesn't do in other media, his version in Nolan's movies is a shitty fucking Batman so yes he is criticizing the movie.
cr0w
Old Member
There are some really good runs in the 80s-00s that might change your mind, but many of them are off the beaten path from the usual top ten lists.
Stuff from Legends of the Dark Knight like the Gothic storyline and the Prey storyline are really damn good.
I haven't really been able to get into the comics since Hush and the like hit.
Maintenance
Member
Nah, not at all. Never "loved" them so there's no nostalgia here.
preach
Subpar Spatula
Banned
So.
Let me get this 100% straight.
Your issue extends past the movie?
Do you get how ridiculous that sounds when you're critiquing the movie?
Pai Pai Master
Banned
No. I'm talking about the fucking movie. Batman's character in the movie is crappy. You're not reading what I just said.
Subpar Spatula
Banned
What makes him crappy? Use in-movie evidence only please.
cr0w
Old Member
It directly contradicts the ending of Begins, where it's made clear that Gotham and Bruce will always need Batman. That's his endgame. Then TDK comes along and all he cares about is Gotham not needing him anymore and giving it all up for Rachel.
It conflicts with the character they already established.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
Maybe read the last page of this thread...we've been over it.
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