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[phil_t98]

I do not see that in the post I just quoted.

I said it in earlier post on here defending that both screenshots being different

 

[Frank Spencer]

It was you? sorry if it felt like I were stalking you, but I genuinely did not know it was you, your post here just brought the other post to mind.

I wasn't the only person to dismiss it. Oh well.

 

[GTR R35_Supra RZ]

@#$% that, looking at some screens..its pretty bad of a downgrade, like how you go from that to this. On what console lol did E3 showcase was running on?

I got my Prime Pre-Order..but..we'll wait for Tue reviews I guess.

 

[CrustyBritches]

DreamcastGuy's thoughts on the whole "downgrade issue". Not familiar with him, but he seemed fair about the issue, mostly wanting to elaborate on how good the game is, but couldn't because of the review embargo.


Concerning the issue at hand:

whereas in the final game not only is there less water but the effects are quite different. The thing that sticks out to me the most though is that it seems like they've decided to completely overhaul spider-man's general look. If I had to describe it throughout the experience playing the game I think that more than anything it has a look that I would refer to as fuzzy now I don't mean that in a negative sense but it definitely has a thing where it seems almost like somebody puts some sort of weird a film filter over it and then turn down the resolution slightly because now spider-man just has a very very slight washed out look to him in certain scenes I was playing through I definitely noticed that his outfits in general definitely seems to be like.

so I can understand that it was probably impossible to make him have this shimmery latex style look in the final game. Now is it a downgrade? I guess I really want to try and approach the main question here and I do think that downgrade is probably a correct term for it.

graphics is literally the one thing that should not be a topic there are so many things that have been done with combat and exploration and side quests. That is so important and cool...there's so much stuff that's done with this game that is so much more important than how fuzzy spider-man costume is.

I'm curious how Digital Foundry will rephrase this?

 

[it_wasn't_me]

Bunch of members here will become idiots and eat bunch of crows when Tuesday comes. Really, there is no downgrade in game.

 

[Spid214]

Bunch of members here will become idiots and eat bunch of crows when Tuesday comes. Really, there is no downgrade in game.

What I don't understand is people looking at a screenshot and yelling downgrade, the game is in the wild you can easily look up a gameplay video and see how the game looks for yourself.

 

[it_wasn't_me]

What I don't understand is people looking at a screenshot and yelling downgrade, the game is in the wild you can easily look up a gameplay video and see how the game looks for yourself.

Check this one :

 

[Fragment]

What I don't understand is people looking at a screenshot and yelling downgrade, the game is in the wild you can easily look up a gameplay video and see how the game looks for yourself.

People are just upset at the false advertisements and that it keeps happening repeatedly.

And the fact that studios and devs lie to the consumer repeatedly instead of being honest is why people are so vocal and upset... I mean people would be upset if they admitted a downgrade and then the shitty games media would hammer them but at least they would be treating their customers with honesty and integrity which I personally would respect.

 

[quickwhips]

How can there be downgrades when the game hasn't been released yet? Like I said before as long as it's fun. I'm getting Day one. First ps4 game in a long time

 

[spannicus]

Costume did look better before especially the lighting in certain scenes. It what it is.

 

[it_wasn't_me]

Costume did look better before especially the lighting in certain scenes. It what it is.

Costume isn't downgraded, really.

 

[Fragment]

How can there be downgrades when the game hasn't been released yet? Like I said before as long as it's fun. I'm getting Day one. First ps4 game in a long time

People already have the game and are playing it will confirm the downgrade. From what these people say the graphical downgrade doesn't matter at all doesn't influence or negate the game in any way. I'm really looking forward to playing it!

 

[Fragment]

Costume isn't downgraded, really.

From the pictures it looks like the sharpness is reduced and it's been hit with some kind of blur filter.

 

[it_wasn't_me]

People already have the game and are playing it will confirm the downgrade. From what these people say the graphical downgrade doesn't matter at all doesn't influence or negate the game in any way. I'm really looking forward to playing it!

Which people? Would like to see a proof. Thanks!

From the pictures it looks like the sharpness is reduced and it's been hit with some kind of blur filter.

Which one? Compressed ones from youtube. I see.

 

[luca_29_bg]

There is no downgrade, this has been already explained multiple times, with many examples and pictures too in another "forum". Move on, there is nothing to see here...

 

[astroglide]

Well I just saw the comparison pics. Its not even the puddles but the textures on the suit were downgraded. Lots of games do this its not watchdogs level but it was downgraded

 

[Fragment]

Which people? Would like to see a proof. Thanks!

There's literally a youtube link to a reviewer with a review copy confirming the downgrade 8 post up. You're welcome!

 

[DeepEnigma]

There's literally a youtube link to a reviewer with a review copy confirming the downgrade 8 post up. You're welcome!

And there's literally someone from Digital Foundry claiming that there is none with the same copy.

So how about we wait until the retail release before choose what feels good to our prejudice right now? This goes for both sides.

 

[quickwhips]

People already have the game and are playing it will confirm the downgrade. From what these people say the graphical downgrade doesn't matter at all doesn't influence or negate the game in any way. I'm really looking forward to playing it!

That isn't a downgrade. A downgrade would be the game released and ran poorly. They patch it and it's less graphic intense.

 

[CrustyBritches]

And there's literally someone from Digital Foundry claiming that there is none with the same copy.

So how about we wait until the retail release before choose what feels good to our prejudice right now? This goes for both sides.

To be fair though, all of this is coming from apple-to-apple comparisons of videos from Insomniac themselves. When asked, they initially responded that it was a time of day thing, and they removed the puddles for artistic reasons(contrary to all "angle of the fresnel" stuff on Reeee-).

I stand by the idea that if it helps with visibility and gameplay, then it's hard to call it a downgrade. On the other hand, to say people are "idiots" or "crazy" and make fun of them for pointing obvious differences in the presentation is unfair.

For instance, before after from their own videos, not mine...

They have altered something, enough to be very obvious, but still people will deny? Now DF is supposed to have a unique copy as opposed to the review copies? All fascinating to me...

 

[DeepEnigma]

To be fair though, all of this is coming from apple-to-apple comparisons of videos from Insomniac themselves. When asked, they initially responded that it was a time of day thing, and they removed the puddles for artistic reasons(contrary to all "angle of the fresnel" stuff on Reeee-).

I stand by the idea that if it helps with visibility and gameplay, then it's hard to call it a downgrade. On the other hand, to say people are "idiots" or "crazy" and make fun of them for pointing obvious differences in the presentation is unfair.

For instance, before after from their own videos, not mine...

They have altered something, enough to be very obvious, but still people will deny? Now DF is supposed to have a unique copy as opposed to the review copies? All fascinating to me...

To be fair we've been doing this long enough to know not to compare YouTube compressed videos especially when it comes to lighting changes and artifacts.

The same shit happened not too long ago with one God of War and all those YouTube compression comparison people ate ample amounts of Odin's crow when it was in everbody's hands.

Now it could be the case where it was downgraded, or could be just lighting changes as others have said... but to blow your load on either side prematurely just makes egg on your face at the end of the day.

 

[VulcanRaven]

This tweet is from someone who is reviewing the game:

 

[DeepEnigma]

This tweet is from someone who is reviewing the game:

Skill Up is pretty legit too. He said the same thing about God of War, and he was 100% right and all the compressed Youtube footage screenshot comparison fools, well they looked like fools.

We will all see soo enough.

 

[CrustyBritches]

Now it could be the case where it was downgraded, or could be just lighting changes as others have said... but to blow your load on either side prematurely just makes egg on your face at the end of the day.

I feel I've been pretty unbiased about my approach. I chalk most of it up to a chage in global illumination. It looks different, right? I'm just some dude, this game looks beautiful and badass, so I'll leave it at that.

 

[DeepEnigma]

I feel I've been pretty unbiased about my approach. I chalk most of it up to a chage in global illumination. It looks different, right? I'm just some dude, this game looks beautiful and badass, so I'll leave it at that.

Same here. I am in the lighting change as well. The same thing happened with GoW. It was all global illumination changes, and it worked out for the better in the end.

 

[oagboghi2]

I played this game a few months back and it doesn't look that different at all from what i rememebr. I mean the game is good for other reasons besides visuals anyway so....

 

[Imtjnotu]

Yup downgrade, never trust Sony or its partners... remember the past ...

 

[xStoyax]

The new soundtrack is lit haha

 

[Imtjnotu]

The new soundtrack is lit haha

IM DONE HAHAHA

 

[DeepEnigma]

The new soundtrack is lit haha

 

[chaosaeon]

DreamcastGuy's thoughts on the whole "downgrade issue". Not familiar with him, but he seemed fair about the issue, mostly wanting to elaborate on how good the game is, but couldn't because of the review embargo.
so I can understand that it was probably impossible to make him have this shimmery latex style look in the final game. Now is it a downgrade? I guess I really want to try and approach the main question here and I do think that downgrade is probably a correct term for it.

Insomniac got a lot of feedback from people after the first few showings saying the suit looked like plastic or rubber because it was too shiny, and they agreed, so they opted to make it look more like fabric. It isn't supposed to look like shimmery latex now. Kind of shows this person wasn't keeping up with the development of the game.

 

[Velius]

The grating at the bottom of the image looks better now than before too.

Overall, I wouldn't say there's a downgrade. When scrutinising the images, it could be argued there's a downgrade, but I think it's more to do with tweaking the lighting settings.

While the current visuals "pop" less than before, I feel that overall, the image is more balanced and it's more realistic.

Hey Kaz

 

[MayauMiao]

From the H.A.M radio podcast at 3:11 - 18:20 , they discuss about the Puddlegate.

They are right about one thing, outrage drama surrounding this issue is embarrassing.

 

[MrTroubleMaker]

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[it_wasn't_me]

There's literally a youtube link to a reviewer with a review copy confirming the downgrade 8 post up. You're welcome!

That's it? LOL. He surely has some technical knowledge and know how some things works, isn't it? What about tomorrows video from Digital Foundry? Will you say : "it's confirmed by Digital Foundry that isn't downgrade at all" just like you said for that player which confirmed it's a downgrade, hm? Will you?

Lot's of people will eat crow tomorrow. Cheers!

 

[MilkyJoe]

Bunch of members here will become idiots and eat bunch of crows when Tuesday comes. Really, there is no downgrade in game.

Alright, Magoo

 

[it_wasn't_me]

Alright, Magoo

Problem? What, everyone who said that game isn't downgraded ( WHICH ISN'T ) are fanboys ( according to your previous post )?

Yep, and the shills and fanboys are working double shifts on the old astroturfing...

X1 fans complaining about a non existing downgrade for a game they won't be able to play on their X1.

 

[MilkyJoe]

Problem? What, everyone who said that game isn't downgraded ( WHICH ISN'T ) are fanboys ( according to your previous post )?



X1 fans complaining about a non existing downgrade for a game they won't be able to play on their X1.

Ha ha it's as clear as day

 

[KormaChameleon]

Anyone that plays consoles and are only concerned about graphics, may I suggest that you look into PC if it bothers you that much?

P.S. The game looks fine to me. Looking forward to it, first PS4 game I've purchased in a long time.

 

[Adry9]

I haven't come across any comparison that does show downgrade under the SAME lighting condition because lighting makes all the difference, anyhow, I don't remember any downgrade was in Insomniac's latest console exclusive games Ratchet and Clank or in Sunset Overdrive or in the latest Sony exclusives like God of War or Uncharted 4 or Horizon or Gran Turismo or even the old Driveclub all that came similar or maybe better than the reveal gameplay

A ton of gameplay and walkthroughs will be on Youtube in a few days and people will see and decide for themselves

Dude, they made cuts in shadows, ambient occlusion, suit, reflections... and that's just on the famous puddle screenshot, which is at the same time of day (you can tell by the shadow of the building) from the previous trailer. But as they say, the person who doesn't want to see is more blind than the one that can't.

PS: I don't know what all those games have to do with the topic at hand, which is Spider-Man, but oh well...

 

[DarkBatman]

Ha ha it's as clear as day

Not for many people who are reviewing it right now. At home. On a 4k TV.
Looking at screenshots and compressed YT videos shouldn't be the thing to make a final statement.

 

[it_wasn't_me]

Dude, they made cuts in shadows, ambient occlusion, suit, reflections... and that's just on the famous puddle screenshot, which is at the same time of day (you can tell by the shadow of the building) from the previous trailer.

There is no downgrade. AO is affected by sun position. That's logic.
So, when Spiderman jump in shadowed place, suit is downgraded according to your logic :

I see an upgrade here :



Oh yes, tomorrow will be exposed on entire net and how they were wrong.

D dark10x

I worked the entire weekend and am still working on this video trying to satisfy everyone's curiosity.

The only scene I have't been able to match up is this flipping off the building animation - I have no clue where that's at and I'm more than half-way through now. Either way, that's a silly comparison anyways.

 

[MilkyJoe]

Not for many people who are reviewing it right now. At home. On a 4k TV.
Looking at screenshots and compressed YT videos shouldn't be the thing to make a final statement.

That's a lot of compression...

 

[Grinchy]

It would be hilarious if they added a "Puddle Mode" after beating the game that just adds puddles everywhere.

 

[MayauMiao]

It would be hilarious if they added a "Puddle Mode" after beating the game that just adds puddles everywhere.

Insomniac should add "OH LOOK, PUDDLES!" throphy when you stare at puddles way too long.

 

[FranXico]

Look, they moved that "One A Penny" sign to the corner! Surely has to be a downgrade!

 

[Nymphae]

First and foremost I play games to enjoy their gameplay systems. The graphics here look better than any other spider man game thus far, and I'm really just looking forward to testing out the swinging and playing a modern, decent spider-man game with my ps4 controller.

 

[dark10x]

I love that these shots keep showing up since they are misinterpreted often.

 

[Gradly]

Dude, they made cuts in shadows, ambient occlusion, suit, reflections... and that's just on the famous puddle screenshot, which is at the same time of day (you can tell by the shadow of the building) from the previous trailer. But as they say, the person who doesn't want to see is more blind than the one that can't.

PS: I don't know what all those games have to do with the topic at hand, which is Spider-Man, but oh well...

Downgrade means the hardware can't handle that details universally all over the game but as we can see there are comparisons that show improvements and upgrades than the reveal gameplay. So apparent downgrade here and upgrade there is due to differences in lighting, not a hardware capability.

And all those Sony exclusives and in particular Insomniac exclusives didn't suffer from such downgrade claims so why this game is suddenly an exception. Developers who caught doing this keep doing it almost all the time but Insomniac never did this, plus the game is stylized, not photorealistic it's not that demanding to begin with

I'm waiting for Digital Foundry analysis though

 

[Sygma]

Even digital foundry said that the game has been upgraded. better effects = better graphics, especially if these are more abundant in a subtle way