What bothers me about the Shulk discussion is that I can think of four better Xenoblade characters off the top of my head (
Dunban, Riki, Melia, Fiora
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Super Smash Bros Wii U & 3DS Thread 4: New Year, Old Arguments
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What bothers me about the Shulk discussion is that I can think of four better Xenoblade characters off the top of my head (
Sakurai should just have an on/off option for both of them if he is so afraid of over complicating it
Sakurai posted a pic of a Monado replica from Xenoblade on his twitter account, duh.
theprodigy
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speaking of floatiness, Captain Falcon and Fox, 2nd and 3rd in Brawl falling speeds, have roughly the same falling speed as Melee Ness, who is 15th, aka in the bottom half
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L-Cancelling ought to just be removed and have the reduced lag baked into the moves. It really serves no good purpose but to increase the gulf of skill.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
You know if a Xenoblade character made it, all the other members could appear in a Final Smash.
NOW IS THE TIME! LET'S FINISH THIS WITH A CHAIN ATTACK!
NOW IS THE TIME! LET'S FINISH THIS WITH A CHAIN ATTACK!
Pop-O-Matic
Banned
Because every other character in Brawl was floaty.
theprodigy
Member
yeah but Lucario was still ranked in the 30s for falling speed within Brawl's characters
HawthorneKitty
Sgt. 2nd Class in the Creep Battalion, Waifu Wars
I would kill for the replica.
SenorArdilla
Member
Exotoro
Member
all of it, plus a dash of pepper
Shadow Hog
Member
They should just have Monado-wielding Dunban.
Yes, I know that, canonically, using that thing was outright killing him, and that he can't use most of Shulk's Monado moves (unless there's a huge plot twist coming after Sword Valley that I'm not aware of), but it's not like Smash hasn't made up canon in the past (admittedly specific examples aren't coming to mind beyond basically inventing movesets wholesale for characters who've never fought on foot prior, like Fox or Captain Falcon). Plus, he'd probably be the oldest swordsman in the lineup by a good margin (Ganondorf basically being his only competition, assuming Ganondorf ever actually used his sword), and his Talent Art (Blossom Dance) would probably make more sense in Smash context than any of Shulk's future-seeing would.
Yes, I know that, canonically, using that thing was outright killing him, and that he can't use most of Shulk's Monado moves (unless there's a huge plot twist coming after Sword Valley that I'm not aware of), but it's not like Smash hasn't made up canon in the past (admittedly specific examples aren't coming to mind beyond basically inventing movesets wholesale for characters who've never fought on foot prior, like Fox or Captain Falcon). Plus, he'd probably be the oldest swordsman in the lineup by a good margin (Ganondorf basically being his only competition, assuming Ganondorf ever actually used his sword), and his Talent Art (Blossom Dance) would probably make more sense in Smash context than any of Shulk's future-seeing would.
theprodigy
Member
Shulk players will be known for their extraordinary ability to read their opponents in competitive SSB4
Masked Man
I said wow
Oh my god WHY INTERNETZ WHY.
Immediately shared this post with my brother and sister. So hilarious.
Wow, that admittedly brought a tear to my eye. What a rush of nostalgia!
fredrancour
Member
Outright killing him? So Add both characters. He can be pichu crossed with shulk.
I think they were actually cheering for Samus. They do it again when Samus shows off her moves during the gameplay montage.
User 73706
Banned
I haven't played any Xenoblade, but if Shulk can do weird future-seeing stuff, I'd have to wager that the Final Smash would be similar to Shadow's Chaos Control, but with less slowdown and more focus placed on tutorial-style button prompts appearing above everyone but Shulk's head.
They wouldn't be button prompts, though: they'd be button inputs. It'd give Shulk an immediate and distinctive edge because he could tell if the opponents were trying to shield, grab, roll, special, etc.
They wouldn't be button prompts, though: they'd be button inputs. It'd give Shulk an immediate and distinctive edge because he could tell if the opponents were trying to shield, grab, roll, special, etc.
theprodigy
Member
that would actually be pretty useless
"Fox is shooting lasers? yes I can see that just fine game"
I think he means let players do the inputs but not actually execute them until at least half a second later.
Yes, I'd like to see full 2-4 player matches with and without items. These screenshots and reveals are okay, but I really just want to see how the fights play out in their entirety. Unless Sakurai puts out full match videos himself, we'll probably have to wait till they let the press/public play the game or something to get any unedited footage. :\
Lol, NOPE! Ryce's roster inspired me to change mine up a bit, again. Just the visuals, though.
But now I'm not satisfied with the scaling of the unconfirmed characters.
I should really just stop now.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Monado Protect could be used to protect against a viable KO move.
theprodigy
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MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
what the hell is a Monado Protect
Monado Armor/Shield I mean.
Shadow Hog
Member
Yeah. Most Homs (Xenoblade's word for "humans", I dunno) can't take the Monado for very long. Dunban's one of the few whose body could stand it for a while, but the opening of the game shows he's starting to reach his limit (about 50 seconds into the game's second cutscene), and reinforces that when he's forced to take it up again about five hours into the game to defend Colony 9 (in the cutscene where Shulk finally starts wielding it, Dunban's shown coughing up blood from the damage the Monado's doing to him). Shulk's apparently "special" in some fashion in that he can handle it without it slowly killing him, and in how it lets him see the future in addition to that.
That said, it's implied Dunban was wielding it quite well before the game's start, so I dunno, just claim it's a representation of him from that timeframe.
They do actually justify why Shulk can wield it.
He's chosen and partially inhabited by the soul of Bionis itself to do its will.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
He did well to represent a newer Pokemon, they pushed him hard and continue to push him in X/Y so I think he's definitely returning.
DICKS AHOY
Banned
they can intentionally make the game run at like 5 fps so you can't see shit to give shulk the upperhand in that case
User 73706
Banned
Yeah, that's right, hence the slowdown.
I liked Lucario, but I personally wouldn't be heartbroken if he didn't return. Honestly, I don't think he will.
I have a good feeling my main mans Mewtwo will, though. And we will get a new Pokemon, who has yet to be in Brawl, too. Although I don't know who that will be. All conjecture, of course.
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I have a good feeling my main mans Mewtwo will, though. And we will get a new Pokemon, who has yet to be in Brawl, too. Although I don't know who that will be. All conjecture, of course.
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friskykillface
Banned
late but that's cool Ashley is in the game. wasn't expecting her to be a playable character though
I played the song earlier too, I'm granted to hell D:
I played the song earlier too, I'm granted to hell D:
Lucario is still very popular to this day, he has an almost completely original move set, has a mega form to do whatever Sakurai might do with those things (if he does anything at all), and he even plays a part in the story of Pokémon X/Y.
I don't think he's going anywhere. He's still very relevant.
I don't think he's going anywhere. He's still very relevant.
SenorArdilla
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Doesn't Gamefreak decide which Pokemon gets in? And wouldn't Gamefreak want a popular choice like Lucario back in?
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Yeah, given the fact that he is still very relevant in X/Y I think they'll want him to return. He definitely has a fanbase.
Plus if he's a headliner for Pokken Fighters they'll have more cross-promotion there.
User 73706
Banned
I decided to visually spice up my roster a bit.
What's the name of that font?
I don't like how zoomed in they are. I'd rather have them exactly like they are on the website.Random likely fake character select screen:
My man, always loved that music.
Waluigi x Daisy is canon.
Hiragino Kaku Gothic Std
I'm sure that's the case, although Sakurai would definitely have the final say.
theprodigy
Member
They probably discuss with Sakurai which Pokemon are popular and will probably limit the options. And I think TPCi and GF probably has a lot of say in how the Pokemon appear in the game.
Ohhhh, didn't think of cross-promotion. Hope they consider that.
We aren't discussing about PSASBR here.
Man did those characters in the game clash. I wish Superbot had more resources, time, and money. :/
As far as pokemon go I just want Mewtwo back. Any pokemon beyond that I don't care.
Also I wanted to ask if anyone feels there are any "sure thing" unannounced new comers? So far we've gotten Villager, Megaman, Wii Fit Trainer, and Rosalina. I didn't expect any of them to be playable and I surely wouldn't have called any of them a sure thing. I'm honestly not positive on anyone, but if I had to guess I feel Mewtwo returning, Little Mac joining, and a second Kid Icarus rep (likely Palutena) are the closest characters I feel safe saying will be playable. What does everyone else think?
Also I wanted to ask if anyone feels there are any "sure thing" unannounced new comers? So far we've gotten Villager, Megaman, Wii Fit Trainer, and Rosalina. I didn't expect any of them to be playable and I surely wouldn't have called any of them a sure thing. I'm honestly not positive on anyone, but if I had to guess I feel Mewtwo returning, Little Mac joining, and a second Kid Icarus rep (likely Palutena) are the closest characters I feel safe saying will be playable. What does everyone else think?
I'm gonna go and guess that Lucario, Pokemon Trainer, and Jigglypuff are returning. PT will have the same 3 Pokemon with him. Along with Pikachu, that is all for the Pokemon reps. Everything else will be related to Pokeball status.
Yep, I think Mewtwo will be an assist trophy.
I didn't know Luigi was into that kind of thing.
Yep, I think Mewtwo will be an assist trophy.
I didn't know Luigi was into that kind of thing.
I'm pretty confident about Little Mac, given the boxing stage and the fact that he hasn't really commented on it in detail besides the ropes.
Besides that I'd guess Mii, Takamaru, and Palutena are safe bets.