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Super Street Fighter 4 Æ |OT5| Waiting to go from Super to Ultra
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CountBlack
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Not as much as those Makoto nerfs tho
Professor Beef
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Combofiend is just trying to help DJ players learn fundamentals.
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The fundamentals of taking a loss?
And the worst part is people are still convinced that EX MGU got buffed as a reversal based on misinformation about the move's properties.
What are ya gunna do? *shrug*
DeeJay players don't know shit about DeeJay, he's secretly extremely solid, and they are all just salty whiners that need to step it up.
What are ya gunna do? *shrug*
DeeJay players don't know shit about DeeJay, he's secretly extremely solid, and they are all just salty whiners that need to step it up.
How do you know his ex mgu inv frames were cut?
Professor Beef
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They (purposely or not) left out the complete changelist in each video.
It was part of the Japan Arcade changelog.
It's also evident in player vids, there is one instance where a Zangief player does a meaty jab on DeeJay and stuffs the reversal attempt clean.
Ah okay. Several changes have been made since the arcade release. Who knows, they could have adjusted ex mgu again. Also, how is it different compared to the 2012 version? EX mgu currently has 12 frames startup and full invincibility from frames 1-4. For ultra, it has 6 frame startup and full invincibility from frames 1-2. The invul frames are still proportionate to the startup. After the initial invul frames, he lost midsection invulnerability (does this mean the opponent would be susceptible to EX up kicks?) but is now completely throw invincible.
I can't say if the changes are for better or for worse since I don't play Dee Jay. It just seems like you have to use it in different situations.
you are largely correct, i will quote myself from srk:
Basically as a wakeup it winds up being more or less the same. On the opponent's part they is a risk of trading with ex mgu (not really a risk of it being beaten clean unless the normal doesn't have a whole lot of active frames and it ends before the 2f of EX MGU's full invincibility ends). However, at the same time, there is also a greater chance of stuffing it because there are less invincibility frames to deal with (and essentially "eat up" your move's active frames). It's kinda weird to explain, as im saying its both easier and harder to stuff the move. Basically, its a bit better against poorly timed shorts, but worse against strongs and fierces. The normals that DeeJay had the most trouble with in matches (normals similar to Ryu's low strong), are pretty much completely unaffected by this change, or delayed wakeup in general. You just wait until deejay starts to get up and you hit the button. It stuffed everything deejay can throw out before, it will stay the same now.
In terms of throw invincibility he already has that in all of his upkicks, and mk, hk, and ex sobat if he has charge (it was a property in lk sobat but they stealth nerfed it, similar to what they did now).
You then have positives like adjusting your wakeup now, and negatives like increased recovery, the risk-reward of the move, and it's viability as a reversal stays essentially the same. The changes of EX MGU actually benefit it's viability in combos more than anything, with the quicker startup, an increased hitbox on the first hit to prevent whiffing during combos, and a higher launch to make followups like dash ultra easier). I don't really think that it was that bad of a tweak, and the change doesn't hurt DeeJay, but calling it DeeJay's "savior" in a wakeup is very disingenuous and is preying on lack of character knowledge in favor of "hype".
well at least on the plus side i have been experimenting with some stun resets with RFA on Akuma haha. They are pretty ghetto but i'll put some vids up in a bit.
*edit2*
Some quick playing around: http://youtu.be/nk1YO_XkHZc
Basically as a wakeup it winds up being more or less the same. On the opponent's part they is a risk of trading with ex mgu (not really a risk of it being beaten clean unless the normal doesn't have a whole lot of active frames and it ends before the 2f of EX MGU's full invincibility ends). However, at the same time, there is also a greater chance of stuffing it because there are less invincibility frames to deal with (and essentially "eat up" your move's active frames). It's kinda weird to explain, as im saying its both easier and harder to stuff the move. Basically, its a bit better against poorly timed shorts, but worse against strongs and fierces. The normals that DeeJay had the most trouble with in matches (normals similar to Ryu's low strong), are pretty much completely unaffected by this change, or delayed wakeup in general. You just wait until deejay starts to get up and you hit the button. It stuffed everything deejay can throw out before, it will stay the same now.
In terms of throw invincibility he already has that in all of his upkicks, and mk, hk, and ex sobat if he has charge (it was a property in lk sobat but they stealth nerfed it, similar to what they did now).
You then have positives like adjusting your wakeup now, and negatives like increased recovery, the risk-reward of the move, and it's viability as a reversal stays essentially the same. The changes of EX MGU actually benefit it's viability in combos more than anything, with the quicker startup, an increased hitbox on the first hit to prevent whiffing during combos, and a higher launch to make followups like dash ultra easier). I don't really think that it was that bad of a tweak, and the change doesn't hurt DeeJay, but calling it DeeJay's "savior" in a wakeup is very disingenuous and is preying on lack of character knowledge in favor of "hype".
well at least on the plus side i have been experimenting with some stun resets with RFA on Akuma haha. They are pretty ghetto but i'll put some vids up in a bit.
*edit2*
Some quick playing around: http://youtu.be/nk1YO_XkHZc
Robot Pants
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Passive Assassin
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anyone been trying out ibuki for ultra?
this is the only thing i could find on red focus combos for her, which is using f.fierce, fierce to rfc to whatever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIzBIGsQ1t4
this is the only thing i could find on red focus combos for her, which is using f.fierce, fierce to rfc to whatever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIzBIGsQ1t4
For now.
However, chances are they won't remove it, and its presence on your Steam account is only to allow you to buy Ultra for $15. We'll see.
Official change log out also.
http://www.capcom-unity.com/combofiend/blog/2014/05/22/usfiv-final-character-change-list
black_vegeta
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My LamesForWindowsLive key isn't redeeming on Steam. >:|
Dat Invalid Product Code
Dat Invalid Product Code
They might not have all of them in there from all the different outlets initially, which happened with Batman. My one from Amazon worked ok.
AkumaHokoru
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mine isnt registering either. I forgot how I brought mine.
Lol they nerfed deejay's u2 damage to "balance" out him finally getting some frame advantage on hit, and nerfed knee shot damage to balance it's increased hitstun (i have to check but i believe the max damage combos of knee shot are around the same damage now)
Lmao
I was considering dropping him but now i think im gunna stick with him to spite capcom.
Lmao
I was considering dropping him but now i think im gunna stick with him to spite capcom.
black_vegeta
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It's not specific to Dee Jay. I'm not sure why they would give characters more combo opportunities only to reduce the damage. Only thing I can think of is to increase the rate of meter gain which should see more use with Red Focus.
Well, they haven't officially announced this yet, so maybe all the keys are not in the Steam database yet. I'm sure they will be eventually.
Robot Pants
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Yup. There will be an upgrade option on PC. That's why they're letting GFWL version redeem in Steam, otherwise there would not be a way to validate redemption of the upgrade version on Steam. Not out til August though.
Passive Assassin
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anyone for ae or ultra on pc?
direct_quote
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Look on the bright side, Seth will still be better than Dee-Jay!
Passive Assassin
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Passive Assassin
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ggs. my stream is jlai tier.
gg, i was hella sloppy tonight :\
Your new home boys. Ultra OT is up. http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=824023
Passive Assassin
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GAFCOPS. CHEESE IT
Man, I had one of those nights. The ones where you go, "I'll play one or two matches before going to bed," and instead find yourself awake 2 o'clock in the morning salty as hell for losing because you just dropped your bnb. Again.
At least I made some Sagat ragequit. And made another weird Gief player with a mic who never SPDs very angry. I felt bad. I think he was having one of those nights too.
I definitely need to stop being lazy and finally look up the frame data on Yun's moves. I feel like it'd help me figure the match up out.
Edit: RIP Ultra thread
At least I made some Sagat ragequit. And made another weird Gief player with a mic who never SPDs very angry. I felt bad. I think he was having one of those nights too.
GGs, I'm already used to lag on PSN by now so no worries. Starting to feel like Bane in TDK.
I definitely need to stop being lazy and finally look up the frame data on Yun's moves. I feel like it'd help me figure the match up out.
Edit: RIP Ultra thread
Robot Pants
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Holy shit. Hugo is probably the only one that could withstand all that damage. Has to have full life almost also
CountBlack
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holy shit lariat damage lmao
Also, I just knew Kadey would take a shot at DJ players in the OT. smh
CountBlack
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Before I think both Ultras would've done 65% damage or something.
Ah neat. A minor buff to Mak/Honda then.
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