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Syria: Hundreds Killed In Chemical Attack

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Ravensmash

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I think the 'line' has been crossed now, when we're seeing children being killed and open use of chemical weapons it's probably time to stop waiting around. I'm not sure what the solution is, but the country has clearly slid into utter chaos :[


Liha said:
Saudi Arabia is an islamic dictatorship, I hope the US will conquest this country one day.
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This made me chuckle.
 
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Seanspeed

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L0st Id3ntity said:
What did you find confusing in it? It's a simple statement of fact. No where in the title does it bear responsibly on a party.

Nevertheless, I find it somehow unlikely that in damascus suburbs, the rebels who somehow got their hands on highly classified syrian military equipment, would choose to fire it on themselves rather than the capital headquarters a few miles away.
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Yea, you'd think so. But it would be an absolutely brilliant move on their part if they did and successfully blamed it on the gov't.
 
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iamaustrian

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Ravensmash said:
I think the 'line' has been crossed now, when we're seeing children being killed and open use of chemical weapons it's probably time to stop waiting around. I'm not sure what the solution is, but the country has clearly slid into utter chaos :[




This made me chuckle.
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me too
especially considering that probably half of the USA wealth is owned by said Saudis
 
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oatmeal

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Choke on the Magic said:
Kids killed in the videos? I will not watch it.
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Description of the videos...

Video 1 is a row of dead kids. No gore, just dead.

Video 2 is shorter, the same, but with adult men.

Video 3 is a child that has been hit with the gas, he is holding a shaky hand up and is struggling to breathe. Looking off into the distance. Near the end his hand drops and his struggling continues. I'm assuming he's about to die. It's awful.
 
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Liha

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Ravensmash said:
I think the 'line' has been crossed now, when we're seeing children being killed and open use of chemical weapons it's probably time to stop waiting around. I'm not sure what the solution is, but the country has clearly slid into utter chaos :[
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Who confirmed the usage of chemical weapons, WHO? And define a red line, people are dying in a war, including kids.

The US, the defender of human rights use depleted uranium since nearly 60 years, an example.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/depleted-uranium-far-worse-than-9-11/2374

In the fall of 2002, the UMRC field team went back to Afghanistan for a broader survey, and revealed a potentially larger exposure than initially anticipated. Approximately 30% of those interviewed in the affected areas displayed symptoms of radiation sickness. New born babies were among those displaying symptoms, with village elders reporting that over 25% of the infants were inexplicably ill.
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These are the real weapons of mass destruction, no ridiculous chemical weapons.

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good job russia

Russia suggests Syria ‘chemical attack’ was ‘planned provocation’ by rebels

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L0st Id3ntity

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Seanspeed said:
Yea, you'd think so. But it would be an absolutely brilliant move on their part if they did and successfully blamed it on the gov't.
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To gain what? international sympathy? Not sure how yet another chemical attack with an exceptionally higher deaths this time around would be a game changer for international policy in an already +100,000 death toll war.

Why not just "win" the war by lunching these weapons towards nearby downtown damascus?
 
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Ahasverus

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Fuck Russia.
That last video, it was the most horrible thing I've evr seen in my life, such life, going away, for the sake of some SCUM of human race, my god I'm filled with RAGE I want to kill those fuckers with my bare hands!!!!
 
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Liha

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Ahasverus said:
Fuck Russia.
That last video, it was the most horrible thing I've evr seen in my life, such life, going away, for the sake of some SCUM of human race, my god I'm filled with RAGE I want to kill those fuckers with my bare hands!!!!
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Than join the US army and die for your belief.
 
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Choke on the Magic

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oatmeal said:
Description of the videos...

Video 1 is a row of dead kids. No gore, just dead.

Video 2 is shorter, the same, but with adult men.

Video 3 is a child that has been hit with the gas, he is holding a shaky hand up and is struggling to breathe. Looking off into the distance. Near the end his hand drops and his struggling continues. I'm assuming he's about to die. It's awful.
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Will not watch. Can't stand seeing movies with kids dying, so I definitely can't see the real thing.
 
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hym

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Syria opposition says 1,300 dead in chemical attacks by army

Specialists in the impact of chemical weapons said the video evidence was not entirely convincing.

"At the moment, I am not totally convinced because the people that are helping them are without any protective clothing and without any respirators," said Paula Vanninen, director of Verifin, the Finnish Institute for Verification of the Chemical Weapons Convention.

"In a real case, they would also be contaminated and would also be having symptoms."

John Hart, head of the Chemical and Biological Security Project at Stockholm International Peace Research Institute said he had not seen the telltale evidence in the eyes of the victims that would be compelling evidence of chemical weapons use.

"Of the videos that I've seen for the last few hours, none of them show pinpoint pupils... this would indicate exposure to organophosphorus nerve agents," he said.

Gwyn Winfield, editor of CBRNe World magazine, which specialises in chemical weapons issues, said the evidence did not suggest that the chemicals used were of the weapons grade that the Syrian army possesses in its stockpiles.

"We're not seeing reports that doctors and nurses... are becoming fatalities, so that would suggest that the toxicity of it isn't what we would consider military sarin. It may well be that it is a lower-grade," Winfield told AFP.
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Let me remind you of actual Chemical Weapons usage in 1988 in Halabja, Iraqi Kurdistan.

analysis of thousands of captured Iraqi secret police documents and declassified U.S. government documents, as well as interviews with scores of Kurdish survivors, senior Iraqi defectors and retired U.S. intelligence officers, it is clear that Iraq carried out the attack on Halabja, and that the United States, fully aware of this, nevertheless accused Iran
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dan2026

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Just why?

Why can't people just be nice to each other?

Is the middle east trying to turn itself into a desolate wasteland?
 
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pulsemyne

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So just what did they die of then? Low grade Sarin? Now lets see who has access to sarin....hmm well the government does have chemical weapons at it's disposal and the means to deliver them. The Rebels wouldn't have anywhere near the same amount and it's would be difficult for them to weaponize it to effect such a large number of people. They would also be far less experience in the tactics used to deploy such weapons to effect mass casualities. Just look at the sarin nerve attack in Tokyo. Thousands were affected and that was within a very closed environment, but there was a low number of deaths. This however appears to have caused a lot of deaths in an open area. The people who used such weapons would have to have been well trained in their use.
Hym you cannot excuse the inexcusable whether it is done by mass murdering Assad or the utter lunatics that flooded into the rebellion and do terrible things. The world isn't black and white, it's not Assad = Good Mentals = bad. There are shades of horrible grey everywhere.
 
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CHEEZMO™

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pulsemyne said:
So just what did they die of then? Low grade Sarin? Now lets see who has access to sarin....hmm well the government does have chemical weapons at it's disposal and the means to deliver them. The Rebels wouldn't have anywhere near the same amount and it's would be difficult for them to weaponize it to effect such a large number of people. They would also be far less experience in the tactics used to deploy such weapons to effect mass casualities. Just look at the sarin nerve attack in Tokyo. Thousands were affected and that was within a very closed environment, but there was a low number of deaths. This however appears to have caused a lot of deaths in an open area. The people who used such weapons would have to have been well trained in their use.
Hym you cannot excuse the inexcusable whether it is done by mass murdering Assad or the utter lunatics that flooded into the rebellion and do terrible things. The world isn't black and white, it's not Assad = Good Mentals = bad. There are shades of horrible grey everywhere.
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The part of the reason the Tokyo attacks had a low death count was because the Sarin couldn't spread properly. Sarin is actually more deadly in open areas because it can be blown around. Whether this was full-on Sarin or not could be up for debate, but this certainly seems like some sort of organo-phosphate exposure to me.
 
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hym

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pulsemyne said:
So just what did they die of then? Low grade Sarin? Now lets see who has access to sarin....hmm well the government does have chemical weapons at it's disposal and the means to deliver them. The Rebels wouldn't have anywhere near the same amount and it's would be difficult for them to weaponize it to effect such a large number of people. They would also be far less experience in the tactics used to deploy such weapons to effect mass casualities. Just look at the sarin nerve attack in Tokyo. Thousands were affected and that was within a very closed environment, but there was a low number of deaths. This however appears to have caused a lot of deaths in an open area. The people who used such weapons would have to have been well trained in their use.
Hym you cannot excuse the inexcusable whether it is done by mass murdering Assad or the utter lunatics that flooded into the rebellion and do terrible things. The world isn't black and white, it's not Assad = Good Mentals = bad. There are shades of horrible grey everywhere.
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I do not claim expertise in this subject but based on your statements I can conclude you shouldn't either.

Care to point out where I made an excuse?

I see many people here jump to conclusion without any technical, historical, or military knowledge, all because they saw deeply disturbing images supplied by a partisan sources with people who somehow magically know who the culprit was, as if missiles shout the name of their owners on impact. People angry at X will blame X whenever trouble strikes, you don't even need to stage that part.

Your logic is like people who see a picture of massive destruction in a Syrian city and then conclude “well that's all Assad's work” because he uses airstrikes, and then you get countless of videos of rebels recording themselves blowing up entire apartment blocks for stupid trivial things like it was providing cover for a neighborhood they had difficulty capturing, oh sorry “liberate”.

And wars are never about good and bad. But if anyone wants to claim they are bringing freedom and democracy to Syria paid for by Qatar and Saudi Arabia and spearheaded by Takfiris then forgive me for rolling over the floor laughing.

The Saudi prince also reassured Putin that "whatever regime comes after" Assad, it will be "completely" in the Saudis' hands and will not sign any agreement allowing any Gulf country to transport its gas across Syria to Europe and compete with Russian gas exports, the diplomat said.
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We can all witness some of that glorious Saudi democracy in Egypt right now.
 
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dripdripsplash

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hym said:
I see many people here jump to conclusion without any technical, historical, or military knowledge, all because they saw deeply disturbing images supplied by a partisan sources with people who somehow magically know who the culprit was, as if missiles shout the name of their owners on impact. People angry at X will blame X whenever trouble strikes, you don't even need to stage that part..
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Okay let's say that these people wasn't killed by a chemical attack. What would you say the reason for the death of all those people. Collateral damage ?

No matter the weapon used, it is still an atrocity commited by the Syrian Regime!
 
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Liha

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Amjad said:
Okay let's say that these people wasn't killed by a chemical attack. What would you say the reason for the death of all those people. Collateral damage ?

No matter the weapon used, it is still an atrocity commited by the Syrian Regime!
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In syria is a civil war, dead civilians is a part of everyday life. A modern army like the US killed 16 kids in afghanistan last march, you can call that collateral damage.
 
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dripdripsplash

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Liha said:
In syria is a civil war, dead civilians is a part of everyday life. A modern army like the US killed 16 kids in afghanistan last march, you can call that collateral damage.
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I have no idea what you're trying to say with your post. Can you clarify ?

A question to the article posted by Hym. One segment says that it is suspicious that the people handling the bodies aren't wearing protective gear. 2 questions: Where would these people find such protective gear in Syria of all places ? And does all type of chemical weapon fallout require protective gear to be worn to handle possible dead/sick bodies ?
 
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Guerrillas in the Mist

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The worst thing is that there's no clear side people can support. It's two coalitions of thugs, zealots and generally shitty people both backed by shady international interests. There's going to be conflict for ages regardless of the victor, and the instability this conflict has caused in Lebanon will only get worse.

The Syrian people lose either way.
 
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SquiddyCracker

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Guerrillas in the Mist said:
The worst thing is that there's no clear side people can support. It's two coalitions of thugs, zealots and generally shitty people both backed by shady international interests. There's going to be conflict for ages regardless of the victor, and the instability this conflict has caused in Lebanon will only get worse.

The Syrian people lose either way.
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That's essentially it.
I honestly don't care who "wins" at this point in time - the end-result will be the same.
I have no doubts the rebels would use chemical weaponry either, so if they weren't the ones using it this time I'm sure they will at some point in the future.

They're no valiant defenders of the people.
 
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Fularu

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How convenient

And since "rebels" have used chemical weapons in the past, I wouldn't be surprised. The timing is way too convenient
 
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cdkee

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diamount said:
Not if Russia has anything to say about it.
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This whole situation is a clusterfuck. You've essentially got a proxy war going on between US and Russia.

Russia is backing a bloody tyrant, and the US is backing what has essentially become Al-Qaeda.

A recipe for distaster if I ever saw one.
 
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KingFire

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It is more likely that the Rebel forces did this. Assad is not crazy enough to use his own chemical weapons while a team of investigators are on his land. That is just too stupid.

However, it is too early to tell. Perhaps it was a major fuck up by someone in any party (Assad's army, Hezb Allah, or Rebels etc).

Checking the Arabian media, almost everybody is already pointing the finger at Assad's forces. This, of course, speaks volumes about the Arabian journalistic integrity, which could be worse than game's journalism at this point.

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This story doesn't SMELL good.
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Did you really have to do this? Watch the videos and then let's see if you can come up with something funnier.
 
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nib95

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Absolutely horrific.

Also, I have my doubts Assad is behind this. Does not seem at all logical. Also this post..

My question pertains to the logicality of using chemical weapons on a small scale? If such actions regardless of the scale of their use, are going to invoke international condemnation and further support foreign desires for a military intervention, then why wouldn't Bashar Assad use them on a greater and more strategically effective scale? Such as within a scud missile aimed at a larger rebel convoy? It just doesn't make sense for him to use them on such a minor scale if he knows that such any use of chemical weapons would cross "the red line" of foreign leaders like Obama.
I think just seems awfully convenient that the day after UN chemical weapons inspectors arrive in Syria, there is all of a sudden an alleged chemical weapon attack by the regime on civilians? Like for a man who has proven his intelligence time and time again by successfully defended himself for pretty well 3 years from a massive insurgency backed by a multitude of external powers, its seems completely illogical for him all of a sudden start using chemical weapons the day after UN inspectors arrive. Your thoughts?
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I agree with it. If anything, it's more logical that it is a desperate attempt by the rebels with whatever other help to try and get more international support to try and topple Assad.
 
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leatherhat

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Doubtful Assad did this. Remember that the US is backing Sunni mercenaries (many undoubtedly being veterans of the Iraqi insurgency) in order to continue its destabilization of the Middle East.
 
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Jackpot

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iamaustrian said:
You forgot that Iraq was clearly supporting Terrorism and Al Queda while Assad isn't.
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not sure if joking but Al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein were enemies.

Fularu said:
How convenient

And since "rebels" have used chemical weapons in the past, I wouldn't be surprised. The timing is way too convenient
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Do you have anything to support this baseless implication and crap about "convenience"?

Remember that the US is backing Sunni mercenaries in order to continue its destabilization of the Middle East.
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wat.
 
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