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Syria: Hundreds Killed In Chemical Attack
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Exactly. I'm not usually bothered by this kind of stuff, but seeing it without even clicking on it was very saddening.
leatherhat
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Most of the "Syrian" rebels are actually foreign fighters, vast majority of whom are Sunni. The same people America fought when it gave Iraq a regime change. America is still following the Neocon policies just with a more hands off approach.
PhoenixDark
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And yet the ultimate destabilization of civil war would still result in in the same outcome: one side winning, executing all those who were supportive of the previous administration, perhaps a weak election that gave power to extremists of a different set, and in a year or two they'd be back at square one. There were no good options here, as long as the same ideologies control the culture. It's not our problem.
PhoenixDawn
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I agree. I can't even imagine what the everyday Syrian citizen is thinking right now. All of this shit going on left and right, fear for their life without any clear side to support. I have no idea how this situation can even be resolved in a positive manner as it seems like whoever 'wins' the people will lose, heavily.
CHEEZMO
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Clearly this was the work of Liwa al-MacGuyver, who manufactured large amounts of weaponised, toxic chemicals and then created a means to deploy it and then launched them at several different rebel stronghold areas simultaneously as part of the CIA-Mossad-Wahabi plot to destroy Syria. And the Syrian government just happened to be planning to conventionally shell some of these areas almost immediately after the strikes. What luck - that will play right into the FALSE FLAG op.
Why a group so well organised, well equipped and capable of pulling off an attack like this hasn't already toppled the Assad government already is anyone's guess tbh.
Why a group so well organised, well equipped and capable of pulling off an attack like this hasn't already toppled the Assad government already is anyone's guess tbh.
Yeah. I'm not even sure how much a US or Nato intervention would help
dripdripsplash
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No they aren't. They are backing FSA with non-lethal equipment. The Islamic brigades is a whole other story though. They get support from foreign moneymen. Don't try to portray them as one hemogenous group. Even the FSA itself is divided. Take your conspiracy theories elsewhere.
leatherhat
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Yes they are backing the FSA with non lethal small arms, ammo and anti tank weapons.
CHEEZMO
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Saudi is the one supplying arms; the only US involvement in arms movements was allowing the Saudi shipments of weapons from the former Yugoslavia to pass through Jordan with the proviso the vetted FSA groups who recieved them didn't let them get into the hands of the jihadists. This went on for a few months until videos started coming out of JN people waving around their shiny Croatian AT guns, upon which the supply mysteriously dried up. They've started getting back in in the last couple of months so I'd imagine either the US had some words and got Jordan's intelligence agencies to sort shit out, or the Saudies simply found a way to bypass them (likely just swung up around through Turkey).
Also there's certainly no shortage of small arms in the region and from captured military stores, and what arms and ammo shipments that do seem to have come from outside seem to be, again, from the KSA (diverted shipments from Ukrainian manufacturers, IIRC).
It's turkey and other states supplying them with weapons. Not the US. Think of it like this why bother doing that kind of stuff when turkey and others can do it for you.
What in the hell? That third video is brutal...
To be fair, we've done much more good than bad (at least towards each other, environmental issues is a whole different story). The fact that we've been able to hold 7 billion+ humans and leave in "almost" harmony, shows there's a lot of good in us, in most places as least.
To be fair, we've done much more good than bad (at least towards each other, environmental issues is a whole different story). The fact that we've been able to hold 7 billion+ humans and leave in "almost" harmony, shows there's a lot of good in us, in most places as least.
JacksUsername
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Yeah, had to turn the third video off.
ArkkAngel007
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I'm friends with a few Bosnian's who were in the middle of the civil war a few decades back, most if not all who fought in it.
From the way they put it, it's very disorienting. You have little choice but to fight on one side or the other, either to be shamed for being the one not to do your duty but also the fact that those who come around recruiting gave no choice to those able bodied. You also feel the need to at least defend your home/city by keeping the fighting in the next town if possible.
To make matters worse, sometimes your city and unit flips sides, and now you're obligated to fight on that other side of the coin, perhaps now in an even worse position then you were in before.
The chaos, not knowing what comes the next day, wondering if some other player is going to enter the field and make everything hopeless/possible...I honestly couldn't imagine these things that they were telling me about.
Baseless when Carla Del Ponte herself said she had proof of the rebels using chemical weapons in Syria?
Please.
CHEEZMO
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You must've missed when the UN Commission she was on came out and shot down her comments. It was one of the leading international news stories for like 2 days, so I'm curious as to how you missed it.
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Nope, I didn't.
But then again, why wouldn't they? The current mantra in the west is that Assad is a butcher and a monster and that the rebels are poor little angels fighting against oppression and injustice!
Or to put it like our resident AQ fanboy Liger05, the sunnies are getting slaughtered!
Del Ponte said it because she knows it to be true, the russians have said to be true and everyone knows that the syrian government and the SAA using chemical weapons would be an incredible mistake almost inviting the foreign nations to openly invade and blast the shit out of the country. Assad is neither stupid nor suicidal.
The only ones who would gain from the so called use of chemical weapons from the SAA are the rebels who want their "war" won for them by foreign intervention.
That's it. The SAA neither needs chemical weapons no WMDs to win that war. Especially not with an FSA in disarray and the "militant" groups having taken, more or less, the banner of "fighting Assad".
reelbigtink
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Against my better judgment I clicked the first video...
That is the single most horrific thing I've ever seen. Heartbreaking.
That is the single most horrific thing I've ever seen. Heartbreaking.
CHEEZMO
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And what do the opposition have to gain from launching a large-scale chemical attack on several of their own strongholds within Damascus. Not only would this massively jeopardise their hold on the capital's suburbs (where they've been steadily advancing), but it would also be a waste of these supposed stockpiles of chemical weapons they have lying around. Why not launch all that shit at Qassioun? If they did that they could probably take all of Damascus within a few weeks, because that's where Assad's military is stationed and where a lot of the RG units in the city are based out of. You could take out half the city's garrison in a single strike.
But no, better to bomb our own territory and kill a load of sleeping women and kids in the middle of the night because FALSE FLAG. You could just ask this about pretty much any action - "Why did Israel use WP in Gaza/cluster munitions in Lebanon? Who does it benefit? There's no need for them to do so."
And LAFFO if you think Assad can even win. It's physically impossible, barring some world-altering shift in power. The absolute best-case for him would be fighting the enemy to a standstill and clearing Damascus of opposition fighters. Massive amounts of Hezbollah fighters, right on the Lebanese border, backed by the NDF and the SAA, along with all their artillery, tank and air support, took their sweet-ass time to take a small town. And in that fight HB sustained the heaviest loss rate they'd seen since 2006.
The whole "but Assad is winning!!" thing is just some bullshit media narrative cooked up to keep things 'interesting'. He's been steadily losing in Derra, Raqqa, Deir ez-Zor, Aleppo governate and Aleppo city, Damascus and its suburbs, and ISIS recently got within rocket range of his hometown in their (largely symbolic) incursion into Latakia. The only place he's been consistenly taking ground is Homs and that's at a slow grind. Dude can't even reinforce his bases without his helicopters getting shot down and his convoys fucked up. But ooo, he's gonna sweep North any day now and take Aleppo!!.
This is what living in an information bubble does to your perspective.
Assad has to be a double-bluffing maniac to order it himself, but I could certainly see someone under him or the extremists arrayed against him gaining potentially quite a bit. The possibility of one hell of a promotion following intervention and chaos in the former respect, the possibility of chaos and a foothold for extremist insurgency in the latter.
MisterFalcon
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General Choomin
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I remember reading the story that when Hannibal was at Rome's doorsteps, a number of Italian cities switched sides to Hannibals. This became a problem for Hannibal since Hannibal then needed to protect those cities from Rome's wrath.
This does not to seem to be a problem for the rebs who's soldiers seem to be absent from the "majority women and children" attack. I thought they where running the area but it seems it's just women and children there. It's true though that they only care about fighters so women and children are disposable to the average Syrian reb unless it's a child soldier.
This does not to seem to be a problem for the rebs who's soldiers seem to be absent from the "majority women and children" attack. I thought they where running the area but it seems it's just women and children there. It's true though that they only care about fighters so women and children are disposable to the average Syrian reb unless it's a child soldier.
SkyMasterson
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Fucking hell, don't click on the videos. I watched 10 seconds from the last one and it broke my fucking heart.
MrSaturn99
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that last one
jesus christ
jesus christ
Considering we know the Rebels have said weapons and reports have shown they have used them prior I have no reason to believe Assad would be using them specifically when foreign powers are looking around.
Islamic Extremists on the other hand are more worried about the 72 virgins and all that and dying to further the cause. So if they have to kill some women and children to get to the end goals than so be it.
Islamic Extremists on the other hand are more worried about the 72 virgins and all that and dying to further the cause. So if they have to kill some women and children to get to the end goals than so be it.
This could very well be, though in the process of inaction I think we might effectively be hollowing our chemical weapons agreements and making tinsel out of them. Such is the fear of our own blood.
Most are foreign. Your evidence for this is what exactly?
After this massacre from Assad expect plenty more locals to take up arms. The Assad defence force please answer me this what logic was there in him torturing kids 2 years ago? There is no reasoning with a butcher.
Free Army Northern Front Commander, Abdel Baset Tawileh: “I give the international community one month to provide the rebels and the FSA with weapons and ammunition, so we can defeat this criminal regime. We give them one month. If we see the international community continue to desert our revolution, we will reveal all the chemical evidence we have, I think you know full well that I mean what I say.”
The Economist - An interview with Jabhat al-Nusra
It would be great if the Syrians were with us but the kuffar [infidels] are not important. Even Sunnis who want democracy are kuffar as are all Shia. The first duty on us is to fight the kuffar among us here in the occupied Muslim lands.
Syrian rebels execute teenager Mohammad Kattaa accused of blasphemy in front of his parents
60 Shia Muslims massacred in rebel ‘cleansing’ of Hatla
Abu Sakkar Syria's 'heart-eating cannibal': "If we don't get help, a no-fly zone, heavy weapons, we will do worse. You've seen nothing yet."
The people liger05 believes are better than he is.
The Economist - An interview with Jabhat al-Nusra
It would be great if the Syrians were with us but the kuffar [infidels] are not important. Even Sunnis who want democracy are kuffar as are all Shia. The first duty on us is to fight the kuffar among us here in the occupied Muslim lands.
Syrian rebels execute teenager Mohammad Kattaa accused of blasphemy in front of his parents
60 Shia Muslims massacred in rebel ‘cleansing’ of Hatla
Abu Sakkar Syria's 'heart-eating cannibal': "If we don't get help, a no-fly zone, heavy weapons, we will do worse. You've seen nothing yet."
The people liger05 believes are better than he is.
GasProblem
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Yeah, here as well, China and Russia don't want an investigation apparently. Not surprised.
Vincent Alexander
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This is fucked up. What the Hell.
archnemesis
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The US, the UK, France, Germany and Turkey are all pushing for intervention. China and Russia are probably blocking it for that reason. They don't want yet another invasion in the middle east. Bombing some military facilities isn't going to solve the conflict.
Fucked up but not surprising. Syria is extremely important to Russia and China has been trying to grow closer to those in the region as well. They don't care what the hell happens as long as their deals and control remain firmly intact as far as Russia goes. They risk uncertainty if they turned on Assad so they don't want to bring it up. Russia lost a lot of influence in the region and Syria is one of their strongholds and they don't want to give it up to a western intervention of any kind. Basically, they're willing to let anything happen there as long as they remain in control.
Typical scummy move in a war all about scummy moves.
It's amazing to think that these chemical weapons were just the start of what the big nations were working on and are still developing even in terms of engineering a horrible virus to wipe out their opponents. I just read about one the other day from Russia that terrified me and how the new scare is China's work in that field.
I never knew this gas even existed. That is really cruel.
Believe me, there are A LOT of cruel chemical and biological weapons out there throughout the past century and that's one of the areas where both sides of the Cold War agreed with each other (even though they still had secret pandemic diseases) which resulted in this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_Weapons_Convention
It's a lot crueler than nuclear weapons and it's probably the scariest thing to come out of the 20th century in my opinion considering just how many different types there are and how many result in prolonged suffering.
That's why the engineering of diseases in China really scares me. One slip up and it's on and they're purposely meant to combat any vaccinations.
People would actually be surprised at what was actually found in Iraq too and what was shipped to Syria. A few military friends and I were talking about it and what was discovered and the trucks that left for Syria. I would hate to think that any of this could be traced back to Iraq too although Syria had it through other means as well.
Saddam the fool destroyed all his chemical weapons as confirmed by UN inspections which the US with malicious intend rejected. If he didn't there would have been no invasion. So now we are supposed to believe it was moved to Syria, you know Syria has been hostile to Iraq since 1979 right? Remember who sold Saddam the materials for his chemical weapons? hint not China or the Soviet Union.
If there was anything left in Iraq its in the hands of al-Qaeda now.
Thanks, laugh and be a dick all you want but that doesn't change the shit found and destroyed immediately or the report by the Syrian journalist before the invasion or the other convoys in that period. I never said it ALL went to Syria even though that seemed to be assumed by you, but it's not hard to think a few couldn't be aboard those convoys.
If you disagree, no need to laugh at me instead of having an actual conversation but I'd love to know how you saw all weapons destroyed and why that would stop the invasion if they weren't considering the early gear we went in with for quite a while along with training specifically to deal with that threat? They were unfriendly, but they both had something in common and both would benefit from the exchange. Even other intelligence agencies have expressed the concern of the transfer to Syria.
Even WikiLeaks had the documents about the labs that still existed including the weapons troops found throughout the war. Anyone could have some of the remnants of the program.
I didn't mean to start another discussion (or argument in your case) but like I said, I'd hate to find anything that could have been linked. That is all. Do I have a picture of a big box labeled "WMD's" going across the border? No. Do I have people I trust (not grunts) that I met in tech school? Yes. It was just a comment at the end of my post about chemical weapons that these guys 100% believe in and something we talked about often.
Edit: I'm not using this as some justification for Iraq nor was I for it. That wasn't my point and I would just hate to think some weapons might have went to Syria directly as a result of the war.
So besides claims by your friends in the military, all you remain with is Iraq had laboratories...
It really sucks that your buddies fought in a war for fabricated justifications but instead of making up shit they should probably focus on those who sent them there in the first place.
So they're making up shit because you disagree. I'd love to know what you do/did in the field then to give you such sure knowledge and the confidence to laugh at other people because you're so damn awesome and have undisputable proof that he destroyed it all because if he didn't, apparently we wouldn't have went in otherwise even though we were prepared for that exact scenario nor did it stop us in The Persian Gulf War. So why is everything else hearsay yet your shit with no proof is somehow unequivocally better than anyone that's actually been there, found a weapons cache, reported on the satellite imagery, surveilled comms, etc?
And last I checked, the WikiLeaks article talked about more than just labs but I think you rather argue than read so I'll just let that go just like the rest of this "conversation" consisting of one-liners.
Friends and coworkers in the intelligence field with no reason to lie because they didn't agree with the war either nor did I but I guess you missed that disclaimer at the end since you were too busy typing two sentences while ignoring any real substance.
For the 90th time. My post was originally about chemical weapons and all I said is I really hope none of those could be traced back to Iraq which would've been caused by the invasion.
I'm glad I could provide you with some entertainment while you lose focus about what this thread is about just so you could argue and insult someone.
Guerrillas in the Mist
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Chemical warfare is shitty business. Even Hitler didn't dare use chemical weapons, some say it was because he was the victim of a gas attack during WW1. The Japanese had no issues with using it in China, but didn't use it against the Western Allies out of fear of retaliation. They even had explicit orders from the highest levels not to use chemical weapons in the event of the Japanese mainland being invaded... and they were giving women and children spears by this point!
I'm still laughing, you or your friends are rewriting history and making world news.
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