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Rumor Clickbait Techpowerup has listed the specifications of the PlayStation 5 and Xbox Series X

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Whoa! Xbox has more BITS! Xbox won!

Just kidding. Maybe you remember the good old days, where more Bits means more powerful and that was the only metric back then.
 
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Going back to split memory pools is not cost effective. No console manufacture is going to go back to that.
Actually it's very cost effective because DDR is much cheaper than GDDR, and actually better for the CPU. So instead of one pool of 16GB GDDR6 they could go 8GB GDDR6 for the GPU and 8GB DDR4 for the CPU for lower price, or 12-16GB DDR4 at about the same cost.
 
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I would be disappointed at the vast disparity too, but I still find it hilarious how doubling the performance would be at the same time good (Xbox One X —> one of the rumoured Xbox Series X) and bad (PS4 Pro —> one of the rumoured PS5) :LOL:.
Just doubling from the PS4 PRO wouldn't be good now as this is not the most powerful console right now (it would be too close to the xbox one x for comfort I believe).
 

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Just doubling from the PS4 PRO wouldn't be good now as this is not the most powerful console right now (it would be too close to the xbox one x for comfort I believe).
Here we are moving the goalpost slightly with the Xbox One X comparison (hence Xbox One X would be a much smaller increase as you need to compare it against the efficiency and performance of the PS4 Pro and not the Xbox One as well as release timing and price increase) and it is still removing Polaris+ vs Navi++ efficiency changes from the equation.

Still, I do not think these numbers are final and that the two consoles are that different in performance from each other: so you could be happy for both or slightly disappointed in both depending on where their performance sits.
 
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Here we are moving the goalpost slightly with the Xbox One X comparison (hence Xbox One X would be a much smaller increase as you need to compare it against the efficiency and performance of the PS4 Pro and not the Xbox One as well as release timing and price increase) and it is still removing Polaris+ vs Navi++ efficiency changes from the equation.
The goal post is only moved if you respond to some arguments I have not made.

Right now it doesn't matter that the PS4 PRO was released first, the xbox one x is more powerful, and this is what the next consoles will be compared to.

As a side note, 9.2Tf on the new architectures, a faster CPU, etc. is much closer to twice as powerful as the X than twice as powerful as the Pro, but this does not seem to be what you were implying.
 

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The goal post is only moved if you respond to some arguments I have not made.

Right now it doesn't matter that the PS4 PRO was released first, the xbox one x is more powerful, and this is what the next consoles will be compared to.

As a side note, 9.2Tf on the new architectures, a faster CPU, etc. is much closer to twice as powerful as the X than twice as powerful as the Pro, but this does not seem to be what you were implying.
Yes and no, but while I agree what people could and would want to compare about may not necessarily make sense IMHO. Similar to my pet peeve about calling something half assed when it is executing different business goals in as efficient was as the other.

Although... I do have agree that 2x the speed of a faster and newer console is more impressive, but I would disagree that it would make it a godly beastly design if it comes out at $100 more again.
 
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Yes and no, but while I agree what people could and would want to compare about may not necessarily make sense IMHO. Similar to my pet peeve about calling something half assed when it is executing different business goals in as efficient was as the other.

Although... I do have agree that 2x the speed of a faster and newer console is more impressive, but I would disagree that it would make it a godly beastly design if it comes out at $100 more again.
Yup, I think the new consoles should be 399 or less, but I can see MS trying their hand at 499 again.
 
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You guys really expect $399? I think it'll probably be more like $499 vs $599 (if rumors of power are true)
Either way, it's pretty low for the expected performance targets (apparently, I mean either way just a GPU in that range is more expensive than the whole consoles at this time).

Price is one of those things that could be changed at the very last minute, it can even change between reveal and shipment!

I'll probably get carried away and get the PS5 either way.
Are we going to discuss the same info in different threads?
No, we are sorry to have offended you, and we are going to stop.
 
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Yup, I think the new consoles should be 399 or less, but I can see MS trying their hand at 499 again.
If they are both $399, I see no way there is a great difference in performance between the two.

I see both consoles being in a single digit percent difference from each other that changes winning side based on benchmark, problem, solution approach, etc...
This would be good for third parties as the baseline would be similar and much stronger than the current generation of consoles, but also good for first party developers as they could create more unique titles that the other console will not have based on each platform’s unique advantages.
 
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Either way, it's pretty low for the expected performance targets (apparently, I mean either way just a GPU in that range is more expensive than the whole consoles at this time).

Price is one of those things that could be changed at the very last minute, it can even change between reveal and shipment!

I'll probably get carried away and get the PS5 either way.

No, we are sorry to have offended you, and we are going to stop.
I agree it can definitely change at anytime. Im thinking if the power difference is true, Microsoft probably has lockhart to undercut ps5 pricing then. Cuz i don't see both priced equally unless they are both identical.
 
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This would be good for third parties as the baseline would be similar and much stronger than the current generation of consoles, but also good for first party developers as they could create more unique titles that the other console will not have based on each platform’s unique advantages.
That depends how unique each console's benefits/weaknesses are, Sony was rumored to integrate some AI circuit at a point.
 
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whatever happens it will be so fun the see the console wars and meltdowns, cant fucking wait for the final specs and launch title reveals.

I may be the biggest Sony fanboy ever but I really want that Microsoft keeps going on releasing machines and games.
 

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Series X will be stronger than PlayStation 5
Series X will be stronger than PlayStation 5
Series X will be stronger than PlayStation 5
Series X will be stronger than PlayStation 5


Does reading that make your PP's feel small?

Edit: Just to clarify - I'm sold on PS5 not Series X
For me it's not that I care if it's more powerful or not, but it's more that "we don't know anything about the PS5 specifications"
 
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These specs would imply a reverse where Xbox would have the better graphics and performance and the PS5 would have the higher CPU speed.

That's actually something that could happen, just all the numbers in the OP don't make much sense if you know anything about tech. The source slapped a bunch of numbers on a spreadsheet and called it a day.
 

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There it is... PS5 has a Navi10 card! Chiplet design confirmed and the old rumor that it would be Sony exclusive. MS had to make its own custom chip.
 
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the lowest common denominator is all that really matters. it's what by far the vast majority of third party games will be developed for. it's what for example the next grand theft auto game will be developed for.
 

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These specs would imply a reverse where Xbox would have the better graphics and performance and the PS5 would have the higher CPU speed.

That's actually something that could happen, just all the numbers in the OP don't make much sense if you know anything about tech. The source slapped a bunch of numbers on a spreadsheet and called it a day.
That's rich coming from "Mr. Bluray kills people'
 

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Hey, I’m good with those PS5 specs if it comes at $299-349

My current PC is probably already faster than both PS and Xbox.
 

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The way some people are reacting in here, they seem threatened or afraid of being inferior or something.
That's all I was getting at.
I get it. We just fed your childish power fantasy, of course you wouldn't understand.
Cling on to your better specced toy if you need that to feel superior, but at least stop projecting now.
 
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I dont see how 8gb isnt plausible. On the current gen systems RAM is hardly the bottleneck. I mean how much ram do you honestly believe a system needs? Its a game system, not a high-end rendering computer
If you want true 4k you need moren than 8 GB RAM. It's 2020. In 2027 RAM will be a bottleneck.
 

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Do you even believe those specs are real?
It doesn't matter.

It's a given that the PS5 will be considerably more powerful than the PS4 Pro, which is still at a $399 MSRP. And the PS4 still has an MSRP of $299. Sony is not going to release a brand new system next year at prices that those consoles are at in year 3 and year 7. FYI, those are the MSRP prices for current gen systems mind you. The are bundle discounts plenty of places and can get them for less, obviously.

I suspect that the PS5 will have a $399 MSRP, the Pro may get dropped to $299 MSRP and the base PS4 will get dropped to $199 MSRP.

On top of all that, Sony had tremendous success launching at the $399 price point in 2013. There is no way they will change that.

I won't be surprised however, if $499 is the launch price of the PS5.
 
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It doesn't matter.

It's a given that the PS5 will be considerably more powerful than the PS4 Pro, which is still at a $399 MSRP. And the PS4 still has an MSRP of $299. Sony is not going to release a brand new system next year at prices that those consoles are at in year 3 and year 7. FYI, those are the MSRP prices for current gen systems mind you. The are bundle discounts plenty of places and can get them for less, obviously.

I suspect that the PS5 will have a $399 MSRP, the Pro may get dropped to $299 MSRP and the base PS4 will get dropped to $199 MSRP.

On top of all that, Sony had tremendous success launching at the $399 price point in 2013. There is no way they will change that.

I won't be surprised however, if $499 is the launch price of the PS5.
I expect the PS5 to launch between $399 and $499 also. That’s an automatic purchase for me at that price.

But since that article states 8 GB of RAM and 64 rops (which is crazy) why not fantasize a $299 PS5. (Not happening I know)
 

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I get it. We just fed your childish power fantasy, of course you wouldn't understand.
Cling on to your better specced toy if you need that to feel superior, but at least stop projecting now.
Not projecting. I'm not even sold on Series X. I'm getting PS5 Day One.
 
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Actually it's very cost effective because DDR is much cheaper than GDDR, and actually better for the CPU. So instead of one pool of 16GB GDDR6 they could go 8GB GDDR6 for the GPU and 8GB DDR4 for the CPU for lower price, or 12-16GB DDR4 at about the same cost.
Kind of true. Usually the slower and smaller-capacity (like 64MB-256MB) DDR memories are really cheap, like $1-$5 cheap (and this is through third-party wholesalers). But the faster DDR4 (non-LP (low power) memories of capacities similar to GDDR6 (8Gbit, 16Gbit) are more expensive than GDDR6 equivalent chips.

Reasons mainly being because DDR4 is usually 64-bit (GDDR6 is 32-bit), and usually tuned for general CPU tasks. GDDR6 can be tuned for that but it requires a lot of optimization, which is what Sony and Microsoft do all the time anyway. But for graphics cards on PC, that type of optimization on the software and OS ends aren't done (or better to say, can't be done), usually because GPUS still have to push data from the PCIe lanes, in slots far from the CPU which creates latencies where the GDDR6 on the GPU cards can't be used by the CPU in the PC for CPU-related tasks.

the lowest common denominator is all that really matters. it's what by far the vast majority of third party games will be developed for. it's what for example the next grand theft auto game will be developed for.
LCD usually matters a hell of a lot, but it's not the only thing that matters. Even back with PS2, we still saw plenty of 3rd-party ports to GC and OG Xbox that looked much better than the PS2 ones. In some cases like Splinter Cell on Xbox, it was like a generational leap in a lot of ways.

I don't know or think if we're going to see disparities like that this time, simply because the gap between PS5 and XSX (if the specs in the OP hold mostly true) won't be as large as PS2 and OG Xbox was. Yeah the TF amount is pretty notable but feature-set wise they are practically twins of each other, just like with PS4 and XBO.

However, since they're so similar in all other aspects that also means there's nothing holding devs back from bumping up framerates or resolution in XSX versions of 3rd-party games. There wouldn't even be much any "porting" needed like back in the old days; alter the SSD cache access code over here, change some of the codes over there, and you're done.

We know it'll be the 1st-party that really take advantage of the respective hardware, but if there's headroom for one to get some resolution or framerate buffs, it's gonna be super-easy for most devs to implement that with today's pipelines and hardware/software standardization.
 
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I personally wish Sony would just release specs already, this is getting ridiculous.

I'm thinking one of two things.

1. 9tf of performance is the real thing and they realized they messed up and are now working to solve the problem. Like Microsoft did with the 360 originally having 256MB of DDR2

2. The 9tf IS the final spec, and they're creating a hell of a games lineup to overshadow the specs and launch at a price that says "BUY ME!" and eventually we get another "pro" model.

I'm happy I decided to skip a console launch for once, next gen is looking interesting and I might end up going back to Xbox IF Microsoft has the games to show it's worth it. I'm not going in till the first price drop or redesign, or both.
 
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I personally wish Sony would just release specs already, this is getting ridiculous.

I'm thinking one of two things.

1. 9tf of performance is the real thing and they realized they messed up and are now working to solve the problem. Like Microsoft did with the 360 originally having 256MB of DDR2

2. The 9tf IS the final spec, and they're creating a hell of a games lineup to overshadow the specs and launch at a price that says "BUY ME!" and eventually we get another "pro" model.

I'm happy I decided to skip a console launch for once, next gen is looking interesting and I might end up going back to Xbox IF Microsoft has the games to show it's worth it. I'm not going in till the first price drop or redesign, or both.
Regardless of whether 9.2TF is the correct number or not (I think it will be higher but you never know especially if they want to hit $399), but for the grand daddy reveal, every company will stick to its PR plan.

And that plan date is unknown. I doubt CES will be the full blown PS5 reveal. If it was, Sony would be telling the world to watch a PS5 CES stream.

I'm actually surprised Sony even released vague PS5 info earlier last year. Cerny did a bit earlier in an interview, and then Sony released some quick and dirty PS5 info for everyone.

You'd think Sony would keep everything under wraps until a formal reveal, but they didn't.
 
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Guys, no point in keep discussing it. The site updated the RAM specs and now it reports 16GB. No one truly knows the specs until we get the official reveal.
 

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LCD usually matters a hell of a lot, but it's not the only thing that matters. Even back with PS2, we still saw plenty of 3rd-party ports to GC and OG Xbox that looked much better than the PS2 ones. In some cases like Splinter Cell on Xbox, it was like a generational leap in a lot of ways.
I don't think there will ever be a bigger gap in power for generations than there was for the Xbox and PS2. The Xbox was so far ahead of the other consoles in terms of power.
 
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Sony are working on a Killzone 2 trailer bait and switch as we speak. You WILL buy the 8.3TF PS5!
If they are then what's going to happen is Sony will show a fake gameplay KIllzone trailer to start, chime in with more KZ info every 3 months, show KZ at every E3 for the next 4 years, and the game will come out around 2025. And after a month, the online will be dead.
 
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I don't think there will ever be a bigger gap in power for generations than there was for the Xbox and PS2. The Xbox was so far ahead of the other consoles in terms of power.
Agreed. Though granted, GC was closer to Xbox than any of the other systems (in fact it was better than Xbox in some specific areas; it would've been very interesting if it had a HDD and DVD-ROM as standard).

If the Github leaks hold more or less true, nothing's going to approach PS2/Xbox levels of disparity, or even PS3/360 levels. But probably some 3rd-party stuff could get between PS4/XBO and 360/PS3 levels of differences (closer to the former but still somewhere near the middle).
 
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Agreed. Though granted, GC was closer to Xbox than any of the other systems (in fact it was better than Xbox in some specific areas; it would've been very interesting if it had a HDD and DVD-ROM as standard).

If the Github leaks hold more or less true, nothing's going to approach PS2/Xbox levels of disparity, or even PS3/360 levels. But probably some 3rd-party stuff could get between PS4/XBO and 360/PS3 levels of differences (closer to the former but still somewhere near the middle).
I agree too.

I never had an Xbox OG, but any game I saw on my buddy's XBox was much better than my PS2 version. Looked better, EA Sports were at 60 fps, while my PS2 version barely cracked 30.

And as a bonus, his HDD had 100s of cracked Genesis and SNES games. lol
 

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Im pretty sure xbox sx will be more powerful than ps5 but even though we will see it with our eyes it wont matter as people will continue to buy ps5s.
 

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My only problem with this whole 9.2TF vs 12TF is the fact that the theoretical Microsoft GPU is way better than all the current RDNA offerings, the 5700 XT alone is a 400 dollars GPU and it's less powerful than the supposed Series X one, so either Microsoft is going to price the Series X at a minimum $600 dollars and basically commit suicide (remember the whole 599 US dollars thing about the PS3, and the fact that they started to sell PS3s after the price drops) or they are going to lose a lot of money with every console they sell, right now Sony has the install base advantage and with the PS5 apparently being BC with PS4 games I doubt a lot of these people are going to migrate to xbox and lose all the games they already bought, but we'll see what happens I'm going to eventually buy both or just decide to upgrade my PC if most of the Series X exclusives end up releasing in there.
 

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For those old enough to remember the Xbox 360 was cutting edge tech and about 6 months ahead of PC GPU's when it launched (and at a reasonable price) so some of the seemingly high numbers being thrown around are not out of the realm of possibility.
 
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