Demoskinos
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^ This. Namco isn't going "back" on anything.
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Tekken 7's Leo referred to as "he" on official site, had boobs in last game
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^ This. Namco isn't going "back" on anything.
This thread has been surprisingly okay, except for a few of these. Here's something to help you be more informed.
Who are you unicorn and what did you do to the genderbread person?!
A Link to the Past
Banned
...So you're just being dishonest and making things up about the OP? lol
I think you make a bigger deal about people allegedly making a big deal about this than anyone else.
LordKasual
Banned
...bruh OP started the thread and ive mentioned him once, what the hell are you going on about
You think my statements were all directly aimed at a single post in the thread? Where am I being dishonest? Where am i making shit up?
Have I done something to you recently?
In Tekken? I already said above; there is a tuxedo only male characters can wear and a winter coat similar to the one Colin from SF uses only female characters can wear; Leo can wear both.
Leo also has a facial hair option in Tekken 7:
I think we found DryEyeRelief's next avatar.
It's based on genderbread person which was simple but was deemed inaccurate.
A Link to the Past
Banned
I'm pointing out that you replied to perhaps one of the most innocuous and even ways for a person to discuss this by saying that they are reading to deep into this. My point was and still is that you seem too bothered by the fact that this discussion is happening. Ultimately, this comment is really sticks out to me:
Why is Leo's identity as genderfluid, or as a trans man, such an issue to you? I don't take any issue with people not seeing it that way, but it's just so weird that this character, whose gender is ambiguous, who people use varying pronouns to identify, is so rigidly cis to you.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
Tag games are not cannon tho
This is why it's hard to take the notion of Leo being genderfluid seriously.
Harada has kinda come off as an idiot when it's come to the topic of female sexual representation these past couple years("SJWs") and I have a hard time imagining he's somehow more progressive on this topic.
LordKasual
Banned
yeah well you're wrong.
it really sounds like you want me to have an issue with it more than anything
I was initially replying to someone on the topic that people are jumping to conclusions, believing the developers may be slighting the issue for some cheap representation. My point is that the developers probably didn't have this deeper discussion in mind when creating Leo in the first place.
there isn't a damn thing "rigidly cis" about this character, it's a girl who tries her hardest to look like a dude
where are you getting these words from?????????????????
E_Darkness
Member
Leo can be whatever they want to be, I'll main them regardless.
A Link to the Past
Banned
That's a cool take on the character you have, and that's all it is. I don't think that the designers have said anything about Leo being a girl who wants to be seen as a guy, that's just how you see them.
Basketball
Member
I hope folks don't get all flustered by Leo being a chick
I mean ever since the character debuted people have wondered and Harada answered
No need to take it more than it's worth and look for deeper meaning in a game with fighting panda bears, boxing raptors and kangaroos. Look at Yoshimitsu's alterations ... he is now a space ninja squid!
I mean ever since the character debuted people have wondered and Harada answered
No need to take it more than it's worth and look for deeper meaning in a game with fighting panda bears, boxing raptors and kangaroos. Look at Yoshimitsu's alterations ... he is now a space ninja squid!
Cyber Caesar
Member
But Emma birth a son not a daughter right?
UnemployedVillain
Member
This is how I took it. Pretty open and shut
Mister Wolf
Gold Member
Leo is a female that wants to be a male.
Hopefully I'm not derailing the thread with this question, but are there any other video game characters who are genderfluid/ambigous gender?
I love the fact that Leo is designed with genderfluidity in mind, but I gotta say the way that fact is being handled in the examples provided by OP is distasteful.
I love the fact that Leo is designed with genderfluidity in mind, but I gotta say the way that fact is being handled in the examples provided by OP is distasteful.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
I always thought Leo was a tomboy.
The question is what pronoun does Leo prefer for themselves?
In Japanese this is not an issue, so it's a question of localization.
Leo -is- officially without a specified gender, even if their birth name is officially feminine and they were born female-bodied.
In Japanese this is not an issue, so it's a question of localization.
Leo -is- officially without a specified gender, even if their birth name is officially feminine and they were born female-bodied.
Yeah this is weird to me. The first parts make sense but what does what you're attracted to have to do with your gender?
Like if I was a born a male and identify as a male and am attracted to females in both ways. How does that make my gender different than a male who was born a male and is attracted to males in both ways? Like we're both guy's right?
Edit: being 100% serious
UnemployedVillain
Member
What are you talking about? The official Tekken US site (quoted in the OP) says "his" so we can assume Leo's preferred/assumed gender is male
MrCookiepants
Member
Maybe Tekken 7 will clear this up a bit. Fighters have side stories in this game that (presumably) are a bit more detailed than what's come before.
Why tho?
Why tho?
deadscreensky
Member
I've been thinking about this and I'm not personally convinced there's any inherent conflict here. In the West we wrap a lot of these different identity issues into a general push for diverse representation (something Harada obviously dislikes), but in a Japanese context these issues could be seen as totally unconnected.
More specifically I always assumed it was being offered as some kind of fetish bait anyway, not that this necessarily takes away from Leo's actually pretty reasonable representation.
(Or maybe I'm just subconsciously trying to come up with excuses so I can buy Tekken 7 without feeling like a creep.)
I still wanna know what deeds he was talking about lol
lucebuce12
Member
Lucky Chloe single-handedly ruined the good name of all female characters in the game.
Yup. I really doubt Namco is trying to be inclusive at all.
If they were that would be great.
Clearly the porn.
Rickenslacker
Banned
Leo's cool. Haven't played a Tekken since 3 but I'll be picking up 7. I think I'll try out Leo first.
F0rneus
Tears in the rain
Whoa Namco went all out here. Very cool.
excelsiorlef
Member
Yeah this is weird to me. The first parts make sense but what does what you're attracted to have to do with your gender?
Like if I was a born a male and identify as a male and am attracted to females in both ways. How does that make my gender different than a male who was born a male and is attracted to males in both ways? Like we're both guy's right?
Edit: being 100% serious[/QUOTE]
It doesn't it's just covering all the bases...
Gender: brain, sex assigned at birth: groin, attraction and preference "heart" (also head but for the sake of the graphic it's heart).
It's meant to also tackle people who say things like trans lesbian? If you're attracted to women why not stay as a man?
excelsiorlef
Member
Yeah this is weird to me. The first parts make sense but what does what you're attracted to have to do with your gender?
Like if I was a born a male and identify as a male and am attracted to females in both ways. How does that make my gender different than a male who was born a male and is attracted to males in both ways? Like we're both guy's right?
Edit: being 100% serious
It doesn't it's just covering all the bases...
Gender: brain, sex assigned at birth: groin, attraction and preference "heart" (also head but for the sake of the graphic it's heart).
It's an attempt to explain all the different concepts.
It's meant to also tackle people who say things like trans lesbian? If you're attracted to women why not stay as a man?
I think it's mainly addressing people who feel that gender identity and sexuality are completely intertwined when that's not the case, where were ideas in the past that trans women were just really gay men, when you can be the horniest gay man and find the idea of being female completely repulsive, while a trans woman could be completely into women despite having fully transitioned from male to female.
Hm are we sure that is not Bob?
excelsiorlef
Member
I'd guess it's more to include asexual folk
Positive, though they did make Leo a little rounder in the face in 7. Xiaoyu too.
DR2K
Banned
Josie is a bigger abomination. I've never seen a fighter sob like a 3 year old. Then there's female Raven. Ms. Male character. Lucky Chloe being a piece of shit is obvious. Katrina looks uninspired, between the boring play style to the ridiculous design.
Then there's to loss of Anna, Julia, Zafina. Kunimatsu, etc...