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[Kobe]

Why does that video looks so...unimpressive graphically. Something about the graphics makes it look eh compared to BlazBlu...

The videocard that captured is my guess. The graphics are a bit off.

 

[bob_arctor]

Why does that video looks so...unimpressive graphically. Something about the graphics makes it look eh compared to BlazBlu...

:lol Because you prefer the flat and clean anime look perhaps? If there's one thing KoF 12 did right it's graphics. Even with the anti-zoom brigade in full force.

 

[Shadow780]

Why does that video looks so...unimpressive graphically. Something about the graphics makes it look eh compared to BlazBlu...

Yeah despite the game having pixel issues, that vid is captured in lower def.

 

[anotheriori]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccH9WBZY3X0&feature=related

Amazing combo vid!

DAH! someone found my video. :lol

 

[hteng]

I need some FAQs on moves and combos

I'm using terry, leona and kensou

 

[-PXG-]

DAH! someone found my video. :lol

Well, I know at least one person I wouldn't want to play against. :lol

 

[arstal]

One hint with leona: get good at hyperhop A into V-slasher, really damaging, really quick overhead. Leona busts turtles if you're good with her more then most people.

 

[GrayFoxPL]

Im not european you know ? not that there's anything wrong with that :lol

Maybe for Americans Argentina sounds like it should be in Europe.

Europe is not a gaming wasteland.

Spoiler

Anymore .

 

[Fortinbras]

Is online dead already? Granted, I live in Europe but it seems like five Europeans bought the game and I'm one of them.

KoF12 has the worst netcode of any retail fighting game I can remember btw.

 

[Augemitbutter]

I think it's just you guys in Europe. :lol SNK USA was trying to make a comeback in the States for a little while there. That Ben Herman guy had a bit of a presence.

I don't quite remember what got removed (I was in Japan for the years those PS2 games came out), but I believe in some games ending content was taken out, and like I said, they removed progressive scan for whatever stupid reason.

ignition has been bringing SNK stuff to the EU for quite a few years now. like battle coliseum, one year+ before the US version, or KOF XI, months before the US version hit. and yes, they removed progressive scan and online for XI, not sure about BC.

also it's cool to import from the US, since the dollar is so weak, you can almost get two new releases for the price of one.

 

[Hours Left]

Two part interview with Shane from Mygamer.com, topics range from the lag situation, DLC possibilities and Ignition's relationship with SNK Playmore.

Edit: Ah, didn't see that Fersis posted this on the last page. My apologies. Anyway, I'll leave it for those who missed it.

(Part 1) (Part 2)

Some highlights:

MyGamer: Let’s talk about the most important issue first…will we see another netcode patch for The King of Fighters XII, or is the game’s netcode just done at this point?

Shane Bettenhausen: Well, first we had the day one patch and since then, we’ve been monitoring the games' performance. We've been looking over all the comments on our Facebook and our forums have been passing them along to SNK-Playmore. We do think that further enhancements to the netcode are required. We’ve given them a very exhaustive list of not just latency issues, but bugs and other considerations. Everything the fans are asking for, we are passing along. As for when a patch could happen, we can’t say. Discussions are ongoing, literally, right now. One of the problems is the differences between the American and Japanese netcode situation.

MG: On both the Facebook page and in general, there has been a lot of talk about downloadable characters. No other actual serious fighting game has tried to do it. The only games that come to mind for me are UFC 2009 which had Gamestop-exclusive characters, and the Naruto video games on the Xbox 360. But that’s it. If it does end up happening, how would it go down? Would we have to pay for it?

SB: Well, those discussions are still ongoing. There were plans in place for downloadable content, and what we had planned was not characters, but more bonus material and different kinds of things. But based on the user feedback, SNK-Playmore is opening up a bit to other kinds of downloadable content. In terms of pricing, that’s still to be determined, but considering the glitches and lag problems, if they were to add something substantial, be it a stage or a character, there is a good possibility that it could be offered for free. I can’t confirm that yet because we are still in talks, but from my perspective I would like to give something back to the community for their patience. Again, it’s an ongoing discussion, but what the fans want is what we want. But once again, it's still ongoing. I think in the future, though, it’s a new frontier and we will be seeing paid downloadable content like stages and characters in a lot of fighting games. I think it’s exciting that fighters are back, but I think the Japanese companies in general like negotiating with online play in America, and we’re all kind of along for the ride.

MG: For Ignition, how has it been working with SNK? Especially with the netcode, they’ve been totally hit or miss, with poorly-done ports of King of Fighters ’98 and Garou: Mark of the Wolves, a “pretty good” Fatal Fury Special and a really good King of Fighters Neowave back on the original Xbox. Is SNK really capable of making a good online experience?

SB: I think overall, the experience of working with SNK has been really cool and interesting. I am an old school fan of SNK and even though they aren’t quite the same company who made the Neo-Geo, they still keep the spirit alive. They really do believe in King of Fighters and they poured their hearts into this. I’ve only been on board with Ignition for six months, and the game was already in the making for a really long time. I really wish that somebody early on would’ve said “hey, let’s use this GGPO.” Blazblue is really the first major release to use that netcode and it is so strong. It’s the strongest netcode anyone has ever seen for a fighting game. But hindsight is twenty-twenty, and we probably wouldn’t have had the same lag issues if they had went with that. It was really their decision and, moving forward, I think we can advise them that “hey, maybe you should use this GGPO thing.” I think, as I said, Japanese developers tend to think of the Japanese arcade market and Japanese internet connections and it’s a bit of give-and-take to make them understand the situation in America. Luckily, they’ve been willing to listen and together, we’re collaborating with them on solutions. I think moving forward and being able to be involved earlier and earlier is going to be able to help everyone.

 

[GrayFoxPL]

About gameplay:

Yesterday one of the reasons for my intitial dissapointment was the lack of ranged normals and command moves. Somehow I didn't remember that info at that time. Everything is so close range, but the thing is it's not fair for all. Ash has the shortest rage HP and HK in kof history. It looks like a joke move. He has f+HP and hop kick and that's about it. Most chara were skinned naked on normals but take Kyo. - Kyo has basicly everything he ever had as a classic versions. Everything. Commands, normals. It looks so unfair. :lol

Btw. i only played for a day so it's mere glance but I'm getting worried about ballance of the game. I mean Kyo has no weaknesses at least I can't find any. He just destroys.

It's funny everyone got so tonned down but it's like they took Kyo out of Kof 95 where everyone was a monster. I played lots Kyo in KOF 95 and here he feels almost exactly like that in terms of power. :lol

For people more experienced: How is the matchup Kyo versus Ash? It should be no contest, right?

 

[anotheriori]

About gameplay:

Yesterday one of the reasons for my intitial dissapointment was the lack of ranged normals and command moves. Somehow I didn't remember that info at that time. Everything is so close range, but the thing is it's not fair for all. Ash has the shortest rage HP and HK in kof history. It looks like a joke move. He has f+HP and hop kick and that's about it. Most chara were skinned naked on normals but take Kyo. - Kyo has basicly everything he ever had as a classic versions. Everything. Commands, normals. It looks so unfair. :lol

Btw. i only played for a day so it's mere glance but I'm getting worried about ballance of the game. I mean Kyo has no weaknesses at least I can't find any. He just destroys.

It's funny everyone got so tonned down but it's like they took Kyo out of Kof 95 where everyone was a monster. I played lot's of Kyo in KOF 95 and here he feels almost exactly like that in terms of power. :lol

For people more experienced: How is the matchup Kyo versus Ash? It should be no contest, right?

Arcadia ranks Kyo/Iori as S-Tier, Kyo is solid all around. Iori is good at rushing but has some problems when rushed. Ash harder to play then I originally thought he needs to stay at midrange to effectively use his fireballs.

 

[Lyte Edge]

Some friends came over Saturday night and tried out the game for the first time. One of them insisted on picking the simple command mode, and HOLY SHIT, is it unfair-- he was busting out special moves with Mr. S-class, Kyo, faster than you should be able to do, and beating everyone down. :lol

So I finally told him simple mode was now "banned," he picked normal mode, and I smacked him down hard with Andy, the first character on my team. As expected.

It's just insane how well simple mode works; glad it is disabled online!

On the tier thing, I definitely see it with Kyo, but not yet with Iori. Also I'd love to know where people think Elizabeth and Mature place. I've found some nice n' easy rush downs with Mature. It's also easy to keep people pinned to the corner with her.

Also there ought to be two tier lists-- With online being so messed up, certain characters just work better in the lag than others. I'd love to use Goro more, but it's almost impossible to do anything with him in shitty matches. :/

Maybe for Americans Argentina sounds like it should be in Europe.

Oh, I had no idea Fersis was in South America! Whatever, same thing.

Spoiler

j/k, though it certainly explains his KOF insanity.

Europe is not a gaming wasteland.

Spoiler

Anymore .

OH, REALLY?

Is online dead already? Granted, I live in Europe but it seems like five Europeans bought the game and I'm one of them.

LOLOL.

KoF12 has the worst netcode of any retail fighting game I can remember btw.

I still think that Guilty Gear XX #Reload on Xbox was worse!

ignition has been bringing SNK stuff to the EU for quite a few years now. like battle coliseum, one year+ before the US version, or KOF XI, months before the US version hit. and yes, they removed progressive scan and online for XI, not sure about BC.

IIRC it was XI that had its endings removed. I can't remember if it was NGBC or XI, but Euro players on Neo-Geo.com were crying foul over something being removed. Didn't Europe also get KOF '94 ReBout?

No online is expected; the PS2 games used a pay-to-play online service from KDDI, along with a few Capcom games (well, CvS2 anyway). Never read anything about how well it worked or how populated it was. They finally stopped adding support for this service late last year, when ADK Damashi came out. 2002 UM doesn't have it either.

 

[GrayFoxPL]

IIRC it was XI that had its endings removed. I can't remember if it was NGBC or XI, but Euro players on Neo-Geo.com were crying foul over something being removed. Didn't Europe also get KOF '94 ReBout?

XI has endings. Maybe NGBC. We didn't get ReBout sadly.

Btw. I just checked: You got NGBC 13 months(took em a awhile with those endings, right?) after us and Kof XI 5 months. Now I call that pretty damn hilarious considering we are the wasteland.

 

[LowParry]

So with the talks of GGPO in possible future games, how well does GGPO adapt to a 3D fighter? If at all? There being of course no 3D fighters that go through GGPO.

 

[GrayFoxPL]

So with the talks of GGPO in possible future games, how well does GGPO adapt to a 3D fighter? If at all? There being of course no 3D fighters that go through GGPO.

Doesn't GGPO has something to do with animation framecounts? Anyway I'm bablin'. I'm interested in this too.

Was this posted?

King of Fighters XII would like to thank everyone for their patience! SNK is currently undergoing testing and will issue an announcement regarding online play this week.

From Kof facebook.

Maybe they'll patch it really quick. Would be unusual.

 

[DR2K]

Just went back online, had a really good match performance wise. I was pleasantly surprised.

 

[LowParry]

Doesn't GGPO has something to do with animation framecounts? Anyway I'm bablin'. I'm interested in this too.

Was this posted?

King of Fighters XII would like to thank everyone for their patience! SNK is currently undergoing testing and will issue an announcement regarding online play this week.

From Kof facebook.

Maybe they'll patch it really quick. Would be unusual.

I honestly have no idea how GGPO works. But you're probably right about the whole animation aspect of it all where as it works very well with a 2D fighter. I guess 3D fighters are relied on their own developer. Hopefully Namco's stepped up from Soul Calibur 4 in regards to their netcode. They got a lot riding on T6.

And that talk of an update this week is news to me. Curious to see what they'll say.

 

[arstal]

About gameplay:

Yesterday one of the reasons for my intitial dissapointment was the lack of ranged normals and command moves. Somehow I didn't remember that info at that time. Everything is so close range, but the thing is it's not fair for all. Ash has the shortest rage HP and HK in kof history. It looks like a joke move. He has f+HP and hop kick and that's about it. Most chara were skinned naked on normals but take Kyo. - Kyo has basicly everything he ever had as a classic versions. Everything. Commands, normals. It looks so unfair. :lol

Btw. i only played for a day so it's mere glance but I'm getting worried about ballance of the game. I mean Kyo has no weaknesses at least I can't find any. He just destroys.

It's funny everyone got so tonned down but it's like they took Kyo out of Kof 95 where everyone was a monster. I played lots Kyo in KOF 95 and here he feels almost exactly like that in terms of power. :lol

For people more experienced: How is the matchup Kyo versus Ash? It should be no contest, right?

I don't think Kyo has a big advantage. Ash is faster, his projectiles are much better, he can keep out Kyo. Air to Air Ash is better also.

That said, Kyo and Iori are considered the S tier of the game, but no one really whines about tiering in this. The balance is MUCH better then SF4. One thing that helps is the universal options- the downside is the cast becomes a bit homogenized.

If you want long range normals, play Duo Lon. He is the Dhalsim of this cast.

One issue with online on 360 is the split between Arcade, Ranked, and Player. Generally the stronger players play Arcade or Ranked, and are in 2 person rooms. Lobbies= scrubs in general, as good players get frustrated by the spectator lag (which is severe) and leave quickly.

I've seen good matches (they do exist) go to hell all from a yellow bar spectator.

 

[Fortinbras]

LOLOL.

Actually I wasn't joking. I got into 3 games and that's about it. Most of the time there's no room available. Quick or custom matches...no difference at all.

When I create a room, nobody joins.


Never played GG on Xbox.

 

[GrayFoxPL]

I don't think Kyo has a big advantage. Ash is faster, his projectiles are much better, he can keep out Kyo. Air to Air Ash is better also.

That said, Kyo and Iori are considered the S tier of the game, but no one really whines about tiering in this. The balance is MUCH better then SF4. One thing that helps is the universal options- the downside is the cast becomes a bit homogenized.

If you want long range normals, play Duo Lon. He is the Dhalsim of this cast.

One issue with online on 360 is the split between Arcade, Ranked, and Player. Generally the stronger players play Arcade or Ranked, and are in 2 person rooms. Lobbies= scrubs in general, as good players get frustrated by the spectator lag (which is severe) and leave quickly.

I've seen good matches (they do exist) go to hell all from a yellow bar spectator.

That's good to hear.

I didn't mean really long range normals like DuoLon's but you know when far HK was different then close HK. I still think this is the only thing that actually bugs me.

You're right about DuoLon - he's like Dalshim now. Funny, because our very own gaf top SFIV Dalshim player wanted to play DouLon and I told him they don't play the same way(thinking about old version). Now I must take that back. :lol I don't play Dalshim but thanks to speed difference I like DuoLon.

 

[GrayFoxPL]

I honestly have no idea how GGPO works. But you're probably right about the whole animation aspect of it all where as it works very well with a 2D fighter. I guess 3D fighters are relied on their own developer. Hopefully Namco's stepped up from Soul Calibur 4 in regards to their netcode. They got a lot riding on T6.

And that talk of an update this week is news to me. Curious to see what they'll say.

Namco got a first shot with T5DR online and it was eh. SCIV was a step up, but I'm hoping they get 2 steps up with T6. I don't count on a miracle with it though.

Actually I wasn't joking. I got into 3 games and that's about it. Most of the time there's no room available. Quick or custom matches...no difference at all.

When I create a room, nobody joins.


Never played GG on Xbox.

Add me. PSN: GrayFoxPL

or I'll add you.

Choose your destiny!

 

[Fortinbras]

Add me. PSN: GrayFoxPL

or I'll add you.

Choose your destiny!

360 version here. Obviously I chose the wrong destiny.

XBL: Gaschman

 

[GrayFoxPL]

360 version here. Obviously I chose the wrong destiny.

Yes, yes you did.

Btw. (Not)interesting fact: KOF XII PAL preorder in Poland is like 46$. I paid about 67$ for Canadian import. We've came a long way since 100-120$ for a game just a few years ago.

 

[arstal]

That's good to hear.

I didn't mean really long range normals like DuoLon's but you know when far HK was different then close HK. I still think this is the only thing that actually bugs me.

You're right about DuoLon - he's like Dalshim now. Funny, because our very own gaf top SFIV Dalshim player wanted to play DouLon and I told him they don't play the same way(thinking about old version). Now I must take that back. :lol I don't play Dalshim but thanks to speed difference I like DuoLon.

I think for most chars it's limb control ala Dhalsim and some 3S chars for one of their long range normals. Ralf has it for C, Clark for D for example. Pretty sure that is due to CC, some exceptions.

I guess they REALLY wanted to make sure Duo Lon didn't have an infinite or ToD in this.

 

[Kyo]

I don't think Kyo has a big advantage.

I don't?

 

[Augemitbutter]

360 version here. Obviously I chose the wrong destiny.

XBL: Gaschman

dang, you definitely have.

 

[Fersis]

Yeah LyteEdge, KOF is a religion on Argentina,Mexico and Chile. :lol
Maybe today or tomorrow i will get the game! Game on!

 

[Eiji]

One of my favourite characters, Ryo, and they make him look exactly like SVC Gouki

 

[GrayFoxPL]

Yeah LyteEdge, KOF is a religion on Argentina,Mexico and Chile. :lol
Maybe today or tomorrow i will get the game! Game on!

Good!

Fersis, our 5 sec lag matches will be like playing turn strategy game.

I'll just do uf+ D, then d+B,B qcf+D, d,u+D, ub with Benimaru then take a sip of tea and see what happens. :lol

I downloaded the patch today without hitches. So in 2h I'll be ready to get my ass kicked.

PSN: GrayFoxPL

Augemitbutter, you're on PSN in EU right? What's your psn tag?

 

[Augemitbutter]

just saw you online in the euro room.

i'll add you later when i get on again.

 

[GrayFoxPL]

just saw you online in the euro room.

i'll add you later when i get on again.

Yeah, I'm jumping around trying to find non slow motion match.

 

[Cynar]

Why does that video looks so...unimpressive graphically. Something about the graphics makes it look eh compared to BlazBlu...

You're crazy. Kof XII has amazing graphics. There are a lot of other things you can pick on however. :lol

 

[digita1alchemy]

That's very encouraging to see Shane talking about GGPO. Maybe there is a good chance we will see SNK use it in future releases?

 

[Fersis]

That's very encouraging to see Shane talking about GGPO. Maybe there is a good chance we will see SNK use it in future releases?

Yeah, he always says that SNKP has to use GGPO on their next title.
(Remember that Ignition signed with SNKP after KOFXII development began)

 

[Augemitbutter]

Yeah, he always says that SNKP has to use GGPO on their next title.
(Remember that Ignition signed with SNKP in the US after KOFXII development began)

fixed. ignition has been distributing SNK games in europe since 2002.

 

[Fersis]

fixed. ignition has been distributing SNK games in europe since 2002.

Oh, thanks for the clarification.

 

[ZROCOOL]

I can see Kyo as top tier but Iori? I just don't see,maybe Robert Garcia?

And Ryo to me looks like Akuma too when pressing A to select color.

 

[Aaron]

I can see Kyo as top tier but Iori? I just don't see,maybe Robert Garcia?

And Ryo to me looks like Akuma too when pressing A to select color.

Yeah, I don't get Iori either. He seems weaker than usual even. Though I'm not that great of a player, so I guess I just haven't zoned in on him.

 

[digita1alchemy]

Yeah, he always says that SNKP has to use GGPO on their next title.
(Remember that Ignition signed with SNKP after KOFXII development began)

Awesome. The Last Blade 1 & 2 on XBLA w/ GGPO please!

 

[arstal]

I don't?

No, you're S tier, but you're not Sagat.

Just be glad you're top tier instead of mid like your last few games and quit whining. ^_^

Seriously, as for Iori, His in-close game is supposed to be brutal, and command grab into super is unique in this KOF, and probably huge if you can get it down. I can see the S tier potential, though haven't run into a particularly good one yet.

 

[GrayFoxPL]

So I got like 1,5 of decent match on 20 slowmotions. Yes, not good.

I hope Europeans will buy it on on the pal release.

 

[Fersis]

This is crazy:

Last Friday:

Importer: Hey Fersis we have KOFXII
Fersis: Awesome. Save a copy for me, ill buy it tomorrow.
Importer: Ok, first call to your local store (Which is 3 hours away from home)
Fersis:*Calls to local store*
Fersis:Hi do you have KOFXII ?
Local Store: No we dont have it yet, call on tuesday.
Fersis: Bummer ok ill do.

Today (Tuesday):
Fersis: Hi, do you have KOFXII?
Local Store: Hey we were waiting for you on saturday.
Fersis: Wut, if you guys told me that you didnt have the game yet.
Local Store: Yeah ,we even had your copy reserved.
Fersis: Ok ,ill go today.
Local Store: We dont have it anymore. LOLZ

Spoiler

(LOLZ added for dramatic effect)

This sucks, this really really sucks.
x 1.000.000

 

[KingJ2002]

Two part interview with Shane from Mygamer.com, topics range from the lag situation, DLC possibilities and Ignition's relationship with SNK Playmore.

Edit: Ah, didn't see that Fersis posted this on the last page. My apologies. Anyway, I'll leave it for those who missed it.

(Part 1) (Part 2)

Some highlights:

after reading this... it feels much better than ignition is putting an effort into making this game better. i still hope for a expansion that fixes the issues of this game (in downloadable and retail form) and gives in to fan requests.

if that leaked file system is any indication of the extra characters that could be released... i will be satisfied.

 

[GrayFoxPL]

This is crazy:

Last Friday:

Importer: Hey Fersis we have KOFXII
Fersis: Awesome. Save a copy for me, ill buy it tomorrow.
Importer: Ok, first call to your local store (Which is 3 hours away from home)
Fersis:*Calls to local store*
Fersis:Hi do you have KOFXII ?
Local Store: No we dont have it yet, call on tuesday.
Fersis: Bummer ok ill do.

Today (Tuesday):
Fersis: Hi, do you have KOFXII?
Local Store: Hey we were waiting for you on saturday.
Fersis: Wut, if you guys told me that you didnt have the game yet.
Local Store: Yeah ,we even had your copy reserved.
Fersis: Ok ,ill go today.
Local Store: We dont have it anymore. LOLZ

Spoiler

(LOLZ added for dramatic effect)

This sucks, this really really sucks.
x 1.000.000

Fuckers. Sucks man. If they reserved it for you then why did they sell it? Fuckers.

 

[GuardianE]

This is crazy:

Last Friday:

Importer: Hey Fersis we have KOFXII
Fersis: Awesome. Save a copy for me, ill buy it tomorrow.
Importer: Ok, first call to your local store (Which is 3 hours away from home)
Fersis:*Calls to local store*
Fersis:Hi do you have KOFXII ?
Local Store: No we dont have it yet, call on tuesday.
Fersis: Bummer ok ill do.

Today (Tuesday):
Fersis: Hi, do you have KOFXII?
Local Store: Hey we were waiting for you on saturday.
Fersis: Wut, if you guys told me that you didnt have the game yet.
Local Store: Yeah ,we even had your copy reserved.
Fersis: Ok ,ill go today.
Local Store: We dont have it anymore. LOLZ

Spoiler

(LOLZ added for dramatic effect)

This sucks, this really really sucks.
x 1.000.000

That's disgusting. Is it a local store or a nationwide store? If it's a chain, I'd call the district manager/corporate immediately.

 

[KingJ2002]

another combo vid:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hP3e0-lemqw

 

[Fersis]

That's disgusting. Is it a local store or a nationwide store? If it's a chain, I'd call the district manager/corporate immediately.

Yeah its a chain, probably the best importers on my state.
It really sucks, i have to wait even more now.

 

[Dave Long]

Magazine racks. Do bad things to them.