Nobody's killing the thread. He has shitty opinions and those shitty opinions are informing the games story in his own words. It's not confirmed because it hasn't been released yet, but we're still discussing how bullshit it would be. As far as we know, there is no separation between the art and the artist.
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"The Last Night" (Milkshake Duck incarnate) E3 Trailer [XBO/Win10/Steam 2018]
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Nobody's killing the thread. He has shitty opinions and those shitty opinions are informing the games story in his own words. It's not confirmed because it hasn't been released yet, but we're still discussing how bullshit it would be. As far as we know, there is no separation between the art and the artist.
Yes, I agree. Let's separate the creator from the game. Let's talk about how insightful, deep, and worthwhile a game specifically made to express the dangers of "extreme" progressiveness and "modern feminism" can be. Let's also talk about the impact on public opinion when a game is promoted with hashtags specifically associated with a hate movement that empowered online harassment and sexism. The creator isn't important at all, let's talk about the game!
You honestly believe this is his belief? Based on?
Devilinthiscity
Member
Beyond any of his stupid personal politics, this makes the game sound dumb as fuck.
yikes...
you can't see why a story that sounds like it's essentially proselytizing gamergate's ethos would be an immediate turn off to someone?
https://twitter.com/justgamesonly22/status/874058962101874689
Enjoy your slick cyberpunk game about how it's actually the leftists and feminazzis that are the REAL VILLAINS!!
Enjoy your slick cyberpunk game about how it's actually the leftists and feminazzis that are the REAL VILLAINS!!
GavinUK86
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That's not what I get from the trailer and reading the Steam store page description and that's all I care about.
Okay fine, fine. I won't shit up the thread with my own comments then.
Admiral Woofington
Member
ladies
why do you want to castrate me? I was a supporter, but if feminism will cause a dystopia because you want equality, I'll take my fedora and katana elsewhere.
You don't know what you're missing out on.
why do you want to castrate me? I was a supporter, but if feminism will cause a dystopia because you want equality, I'll take my fedora and katana elsewhere.
You don't know what you're missing out on.
purseowner
Member
The anti-feminism, the misogyny, the racism, the transphobia, the gender identity erasure, where do you want to start?
Psychoward
Banned
For what I hope will have to be the last time, the game is a narrative driven game in a genre all about science and social commentary and the draw of the game is the narrative which he already revealed would be a dystonia of his shitty beliefs!
Excellent analysis. Also, have you ever realized how the real intolerant people are the ones who won't tolerate racism? Really makes you think.
aesupreme1
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This game looks amazing to me. The aesthetics of it are what I always wanted to see with a retro style game made with current tech. Pixel style graphics with wonderful lighting, colors popping everywhere, and a world seemingly filled with little details.
One of the most impressive games from the Xbox conference for me.
Edit...I did not know the creator had those kinds of beliefs that others mentioned earlier in the thread. That is extremely disappointing...
One of the most impressive games from the Xbox conference for me.
Edit...I did not know the creator had those kinds of beliefs that others mentioned earlier in the thread. That is extremely disappointing...
Tweets regarding an anti-feminist agenda that are the core of the plot of the game is NOT an overreaction. Feminism is an important social movement that fights for a real cause. This guy's views are anti-progressive, misogynistic and should be completely questioned as an art form
Beyond any of his stupid personal politics, this makes the game sound dumb as fuck.
Microsoft dun fucked up with this one. It was the best part of their conference too.
benicillin
Banned
How did this end up on Microsoft's staaaaage. They need to do more research.
SchrodingerC
Member
Beyond any of his stupid personal politics, this makes the game sound dumb as fuck.
The details continues to get worse.
captscience
Member
Even if this game ends up good, there are too many great games these days to support a creator whose views I find fundamentally wrong. Pass.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
Today I learned that framing a story through the lens of "feminism won, and that's bad" is an interesting viewpoint to be entertained.
SomewhatGroovy
Banned
Can you guys imagine wanting equal rights so hard ... taking away your (wo)manhood?
VibratingDonkey
Member
Well, he geared up and then the gearbox apparently fell out. Did his development partners bust in and forcibly remove him from the keyboard?
xaosslug
Member
bruh...
Psychoward
Banned
If a tweet is something insanely stupid, why would someone not flip out over it?
If he said it to my face would I be able to flip out then or what, please tell me the rules on what people are allowed to flip out on based on the delivery method of the message.
Marmaladefire
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This generally. And the poster, that oh so chill bro who thinks people should stop fighting against these things, well words have meaning. That was the implication of his post.
Forearm Star
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Game looked really awesome.
From skimming the thread there already seems to be some controversy?
From skimming the thread there already seems to be some controversy?
I held the same stance as you until it has been discovered that he literally is projecting his shitty politics into the narrative of the fucking game.
He is using this game to spread his views, views I don't agree with at all.
If he were to make a story that had nothing to do with his shitty politics then this discussion would have gone in a totally different (and possibly more positive) direction.
4 is a cutie
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The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
looooool what the shit Microsoft
Beyond any of his stupid personal politics, this makes the game sound dumb as fuck.
I have never been "unsold" on a game as fast as this. Jesus fucking christ
Basketball
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Game looks rad
and I hate pixel art for the most part
and I hate pixel art for the most part
Admiral Woofington
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Doc Holliday
SPOILER: Columbus finds America
Not a fan of his views, but if the game is interesting or good ill pick it up.
I mean I've bought books by Robert heinlein and watched starship troopers.
Still shocking that people still think like this dude. Sucks because I've following all his cool behind the scenes stuff on this game.
I mean I've bought books by Robert heinlein and watched starship troopers.
Still shocking that people still think like this dude. Sucks because I've following all his cool behind the scenes stuff on this game.
mario_O
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Whoa, this looks amazing. Best thing I've seen so far from e3.
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da fuck is this? jeez, my interest in the game is completely gone. :/
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Beyond any of his stupid personal politics, this makes the game sound dumb as fuck.
da fuck is this? jeez, my interest in the game is completely gone. :/
Pretty sure my cool guy emojis are doing the work for me here
NightShift
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I'm not one to boycot something just because one guy behind it has shitty opinions but if it's actually involved in the game then I'm fucking out. I'm assuming it's still good though because I doubt Microsoft would advertise something so offensive.
Beyond any of his stupid personal politics, this makes the game sound dumb as fuck.
NinjamicWZ
Banned
I got such a hard Flashback x Snatcher vibe from it, and the pixel work was so much modern, baroque goodness. I'll definitely remember this one.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
This is why people shouldn't have twitter.
I'm not losing interest because the premise surrounds a view I don't agree with but because the premise sounds fucking stupid, is based on a completely warped sense of reality, and based on the what the guy wrote probably won't have a lot of nuance. This adds a level of morbid curiosity for me personally to see just how bad it can be, but nobody not wanting to support this guy or play his game is being "overly sensitive". They're just making what they think is the right moral choice, and it's hard to blame them based on the absolutely awful and idiotic things the man has said.
tweet #3 in particular
Our main character in The Last Night is bisexual.
I sure hope the author isn't angling for the direction with this characterization that I think he's angling for.
Psychoward
Banned
Also funny that in their criticism of modern feminism you play as a male instead of a misaligned female. Like it could not be any more transparent.
jack_package_200
Banned
How the fuck did Microsoft not catch this? Do they not look at the social media of game devs who want to be apart of their show?
Sony and Nintendo be like-
Sony and Nintendo be like-
The creator is telling you what the game is about
How do we separate?
We can't. This literally a GamerGater game. Buying it funds MRAs and misogynistic views.
Our main character in The Last Night is bisexual.
I sure hope the author isn't angling for the direction with this characterization that I think he's angling for.
100% guarantee he is at this point
brianmcdoogle
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I am Andrew Ryan, and I'm here to ask you a question. Is a man not entitled to the rewards of the patriarchy? "No," says the scientist on television, "it belongs to everyone." "No," says the mods in the NeoGAF, "it belongs to everyone." "No," says the man for equality, "it belongs to everyone." I rejected those answers; instead, I chose something different. I chose the impossible. I chose... The Last Night. A game where the artist would not fear the censor; where the genders would not be bound by petty science; where the men would not be constrained by the feminists! And with the sweat of your brow, The Last Night can become your game as well.
A Link to the Past
Banned
Your post is incredibly reductive of the situation. Firstly, you deride "flipping out" over tweets, as if tweets are, as a rule, always innocuous. Secondly, we do know the premise, and we do know his views, and we do know that his views inform his premise. He's an anti-feminist egalitarian making a game that is about how feminism destroyed the world by erasing genders. If a game was about how the Civil Rights Movement lead to white genocide, why would it be childish to not want to play that, even if other aspects of the game looked good?
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
TheGreatDirector
Banned
The creator is telling you what the game is about
How do we separate?
Welp, that changed my mind on the game real fast.
Psychoward
Banned
Actually this is a prime example of twitter being used for a good purpose, now people are aware of him being shitty!
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