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The Last of Us Part II - Review Thread - *NO. SPOILERS. PERIOD.*

What will TLOU 2 average score be?


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Jon Neu

Banned
You can't really prove your point man. " I know enough to know that’s not possible." You know no woman at all is that jacked? Do you not know how weird that sounds? After a post like that, I'd be done talking to me too. What am I going to show? The women who got no gains or something? lol Regardless of how, they have serious gains. Its really hard to argue against reality regarding such a thing man.

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How you know her backstory not that she some ex Crossfit start, bodybuilder, powerlifter, MMA fighter or something? lol

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yet....here some women are existing with all they gains...



So you saying such a thing isn't normal, doesn't not mean it doesn't happen, doesn't mean someone can't make a game about a character that clearly is about that life. It would be like if I wrote Metal Gear Solid VI, Sons of the elderly and Snake out here fighting everyone with his old gains lol

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You can go on allllllllll day like "I know enough to know that’s not possible" Yes...not for all old people, but my Metal Gear Solid VI Sons Of The Elderly is about the exception....like that picture, its not saying ALL OLD PEOPLE CAN DO THIS!

I can’t believe we are still with this shit.

First of all, no woman can reach those levels without steroids (and all of them would have been long gone in the post apocalyptic world of TLOU), second you also need a level of nutrition, dedication and knowledge that is hardly believable to have in that scenario.

It’s ok, Cuckmann is trading realism for feminist porn because that’s what he gets off to. He is allowed to do that, but please stop with the shitty “women like that exist in the real world too”.
 

Sygma

Member
I feel like I played different game than some people here, because I honest had a blast playing the original game on survival/grounded difficulty.

Well isn't what subjective opinions are all about ? to me TLOU was a dreadful game in a cool yet infuriatingly overrated package no more no less. Gameplay had zero depth, AI was fucking abysmal but the presentation was neat
 

Hobbygaming

has been asked to post in 'Grounded' mode.
I can’t believe we are still with this shit.

First of all, no woman can reach those levels without steroids (and all of them would have been long gone in the post apocalyptic world of TLOU), second you also need a level of nutrition, dedication and knowledge that is hardly believable to have in that scenario.

It’s ok, Cuckmann is trading realism for feminist porn because that’s what he gets off to. He is allowed to do that, but please stop with the shitty “women like that exist in the real world too”.
Druckmann will bathe in 100 dollar bills from this game and it's the game of the generation
 

Jon Neu

Banned
Druckmann will bathe in 100 dollar bills from this game and it's the game of the generation

I don’t know how that has anything to do with the discussion, but I totally love Cuckmann and the game.

Never has a game made me laugh so friggin much without even be out yet.
 
Might as well have a jetpack then.

Making the opposite point, "the game isn't 100% realistic so any unrealistic features are fine" doesn't really work. It's fine for a realistic game to make concessions in the name of gameplay, but sacrificing other things is silly, if joel walked around in a clown costume it would probably take people out of the experience, you wouldn't just say "well they manage to kill 100 people so what's the problem with him looking like a clown".

TLDR: People comparing unrealistic gameplay features with other things.

Anyway, move on, we're derailing the thread.
You should go check out a crossfit class or run a tough mudder. There are plenty of jacked ass woman that train only a few times a week for an hour after work. They don't have to worry about survival ALL the time, yet they managed to train enough to get jacked. In a TLoU type world you'd expect to see some of the tougher people to be some of the stronger people too. You have this weird ass aversion to a slightly jacked woman existing in a fictional world. Like, it's not even sad, it's just weird that that is what you plant your flag on in the realm of possibility and realism in a game about mushroom zombies.
 
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THEAP99

Banned
Did she explain why?
No but all week it seems that she's be hinting at the later portion of the game having "gameplay flaws."



She's almost made it seem this week as if the current review scores are done without taking into account the whole game, which is nonsense to me.

I don't see it dropping below 94. But I really really really really hope it will stay a 96 or stick at a 95.
 

Woggleman

Member
So far my friend loves this game but says that it is not for the squeamish or people who bothered by violence. He says some of the infected look utterly grotesque and disgusting and they have the most disturbing sounds he has ever head come out of them.
 

DForce

NaughtyDog Defense Force
No but all week it seems that she's be hinting at the later portion of the game having "gameplay flaws."



She's almost made it seem this week as if the current review scores are done without taking into account the whole game, which is nonsense to me.

I don't see it dropping below 94. But I really really really really hope it will stay a 96 or stick at a 95.


Yeah, I can only see it dropping to 95 at the lowest and it's hard to say how close this game is to a 97 rating.
 

Gamernyc78

Banned
So far my friend loves this game but says that it is not for the squeamish or people who bothered by violence. He says some of the infected look utterly grotesque and disgusting and they have the most disturbing sounds he has ever head come out of them.
Omg!! at night, with Sony wireless headphones, this will sound surreal!!! And scary asf!!!
 
There was a lot of division with RDR2 but you didn't see this intense vitriol towards the game and Rockstar in general. People were not threatening Dan Houser and there wasn't this effort to rain on the parade of everybody who did like the game. With TLOU2 there is a vendetta with some people that almost seems personal.

no it’s definitely different than with those games now. It has mainly to do with A. the leaks (admittedly they kinda threw me for a loop when I first saw them but I trusted context would be key plus it’s a videogame) and then B. The people who feel some sort of leftist agenda is being forced down their throats because Ellie is a lesbian and the other girl is ripped
 

Vroadstar

Member
While I really prefered the disc version, I'm having second thoughts as I've imagine having to fall in a long ass line to buy it with Covid still raging, I'm thinking going digital will be much better and I'll just buy the disc version when PS5 hits.
 
While I really prefered the disc version, I'm having second thoughts as I've imagine having to fall in a long ass line to buy it with Covid still raging, I'm thinking going digital will be much better and I'll just buy the disc version when PS5 hits.

Covid got me being way more flexible with digital media than I was. I bought Astral Chain and Judgment digital this month alone. I would have never done that in the past. I actually can see the advantages people have long talked about.
 

Bryank75

Banned
Yeah, I can only see it dropping to 95 at the lowest and it's hard to say how close this game is to a 97 rating.
Alannah is ok but she is a bit biased towards Xbox... she even did voice-acting in Gears because it's her favorite series. So I dunno how much I'd take her word on this. I know she's friends with Troy Baker too.... that's why I think she doesn't really go harsh on it.
 

Vroadstar

Member
Covid got me being way more flexible with digital media than I was. I bought Astral Chain and Judgment digital this month alone. I would have never done that in the past. I actually can see the advantages people have long talked about.

I actually already have several games on digital that I bought, probably 60% of games installed on my Pro are digital I bought thru various PSN sales. But freebies the store is giving away for the disc version is nice ( TLOU2 Tshirt) plus I usually buy the exclusives on Disc. But yeah it's the new normal and we need to change with it I guess.
 

PanzerAzel

Member
You should go check out a crossfit class or run a tough mudder. There are plenty of jacked ass woman that train only a few times a week for an hour after work. They don't have to worry about survival ALL the time, yet they managed to train enough to get jacked. In a TLoU type world you'd expect to see some of the tougher people to be some of the stronger people too. You have this weird ass aversion to a slightly jacked woman existing in a fictional world. Like, it's not even sad, it's just weird that that is what you plant your flag on in the realm of possibility and realism in a game about mushroom zombies.
The funny thing is, being so jacked in a post-apocalyptic scenario more than likely wouldn’t be conducive to survival. It’d unnecessarily encumber you while also necessitating a caloric intake the world couldn’t provide for upkeep. You’re more than likely either always going to be outnumbered, or against foes with weaponry that’d relegate brute strength ineffective. Your body would much better suit you when it adapts to live on an anemic caloric intake and is trim and prepped for flight. Lean and agile is your best bet, because your chances of surviving would greatly increase depending on your ability to run your ass off and evade threats more than anything else.

And if you’re a hulking mass of muscle, you’re at a disadvantage. Having a gym in such a situation, much less using one, is a fucking laughably absurd prospect.
 
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I actually already have several games on digital that I bought, probably 60% of games installed on my Pro are digital I bought thru various PSN sales. But freebies the store is giving away for the disc version is nice ( TLOU2 Tshirt) plus I usually buy the exclusives on Disc. But yeah it's the new normal and we need to change with it I guess.

Absolutely man. Anything we can do to protect ourselves from the Covid is a good idea.

The rough test IMO will be the steelbook Ghost of Tsushima version. Now THAT one is the ultimate temptation.
 

SafeOrAlone

Banned
No but all week it seems that she's be hinting at the later portion of the game having "gameplay flaws."



She's almost made it seem this week as if the current review scores are done without taking into account the whole game, which is nonsense to me.

I don't see it dropping below 94. But I really really really really hope it will stay a 96 or stick at a 95.


I have a suspicion that we will experience a portion of the game, later on, that is largely lacking in action. Maybe some think it is boring or breaks the pacing?
That's my guess based purely on discussion around pacing and embargo restrictions.
 

DeepEnigma

Gold Member
No but all week it seems that she's be hinting at the later portion of the game having "gameplay flaws."



She's almost made it seem this week as if the current review scores are done without taking into account the whole game, which is nonsense to me.

I don't see it dropping below 94. But I really really really really hope it will stay a 96 or stick at a 95.


Certain gameplay embargo has nothing to do with the review scores reviewer’s are giving it. If they felt there were issues with the gameplay to impact the scores for them, then they score accordingly. The embargo probably just covers key features in gameplay that could lead to spoilers.

I can’t believe she tries to correlate that, especially after her 10/10 video. She’s smarter than that and sounds a little like mental gymnastics.
 
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THEAP99

Banned
I have a suspicion that we will experience a portion of the game, later on, that is largely lacking in action. Maybe some think it is boring or breaks the pacing?
That's my guess based purely on discussion around pacing and embargo restrictions.
If I had to guess it does slow down some. But a lot of reviewers have said pacing is much better than uncharted 4's so that gives me faith. And i highly doubt that all the sudden reviews that come out later are gonna be trashing this game LOL.



Maybe it was that part in the 2nd half that she may be referring to
 

DForce

NaughtyDog Defense Force
I can officially say that I'm going to be playing tomorrow.. Feels kinda good, but still not there yet.
 

DForce

NaughtyDog Defense Force
Just added on MC. 4 out of 5 | 80 on MC


That’s a disquieting echo throughout this game, for reasons that extend beyond this game, and, at times, that can make The Last of Us 2 emotionally challenging to play. But that’s not a reason to avoid this game; if anything it makes The Last of Us 2 that much deeper of a gaming experience. At times, you’ll wish you the game gave you options, permitted you to make choices for Ellie in critical moments.

Or maybe that lack of choice is the cold, hard lesson of it all.
 

Bryank75

Banned
Just added on MC. 4 out of 5 | 80 on MC

I can't read the full review because the site is blocked in europe...... but from what I see there is no real reason that he marked it down a star?!
 

DForce

NaughtyDog Defense Force
I can't read the full review because the site is blocked in europe...... but from what I see there is no real reason that he marked it down a star?!

The only negative is that the game is really emotionally challenging to play. This is pretty much echoed by many people, including those who consider it a masterpiece.

Here's the full review..

Are we doomed to repeat the sins of our fathers? Can humanity change? If you were raised in violence, are you destined to solve your problems with nothing more than violence?

These are the things you’re destined to think about as you play through The Last of Us 2. Seven years ago, developer Naughty Dog delivered one of the final hits on the PlayStation 3 in the original The Last of Us, a riveting post-apocalyptic adventure that ended in overwhelming moral gray.

Now The Last of Us 2 arrives to usher out the PlayStation 4 era, and it does so in similar fashion, with a story that once again puts the ugly of humanity on display in violent, bloody, and, at times, truly saddening fashion.
The game picks up five years after the events of its predecessor. The Last of Us ended with Joel helping Ellie, perhaps the cure to the Cordyceps fungus turning humanity into zombies, to a research group that hoped to use her as the cure. But when he discovers that their research involves killing an anesthetized Ellie, he kills them all first and escapes with her. Hours later, Ellie comes to and asks Joel what happened, and he lies, claiming cure research had stopped.

When this latest game begins, Ellie and Joel seem to have settled into some semblance of a normal life, a tenuous relationship between surrogate father and young girl verging on adulthood. But when that quietude gets rocked, Ellie quickly abandons normalcy to chase retribution. Motivated, she heads off on a quest that embraces the mechanics and gameplay that carried you through the first game.

That means plenty of blood, this time on the potent PS4. Naughty Dog crafts a stunning world for Ellie and company to traverse, delivering snow-coated mountain areas, dense blends of city and foliage, and so much more. It’s a world that feels real and relevant, daring to wade into the weighty conversations of our day. Naughty Dog pulls no punches as you venture into a hidden weed factory here, ponder religion’s role in a key character’s life there.

It’s an immersive world with spot-on details that you can’t help but appreciate, and you can’t help but get lost in areas. The Last of Us 2 lets you explore more than its predecessor, granting you freedom while never feeling overwhelming. There’s so much to explore that you can miss whole buildings, although doing so robs you of valuable story.

It pulls no punches with Ellie, either, showcasing her as a complicated, multifaceted heroine. The original game’s Left Behind DLC started exploring her sexuality, and The Last of Us 2 dives deeper, treading strong gaming ground. Nineteen-year-old Ellie is brooding yet emotional, journaling often, sharing deep connection with few.


Solving problems with knives and agility, however, is her strong suit. And really, this makes sense. She’ll kill humans and infected alike (and other beasts too) throughout The Last of Us 2, utilizing agility and deft hand-to-hand combat skills all at once. Naughty Dog delivers splendid animations and places a host of tools at your disposal to control Ellie, creating an agile star with a mean streak.

She’s at her best during stealth, downing zombies by stalking them from behind, but you never feel trapped into that gameplay (if anything, Naughty occasionally forces you out from that in disappointing fashion). When stealth fails, you can shoot out of situations, run, or deliver brutal, bloody melee attacks. (And if things ever grow too hard, a host of difficulty sliders set a new bar for tuning a game to retain challenge while never letting it get frustrating.)

Ellie uses these tools against infected, animals, and humans alike, sometimes in combination. Some of the best battling occurs when she’s in an area with both humans and infected, when she can throw a bottle at humans and let the infected do her bidding.

She does all this without a hint of hesitation, a unique juxtapose to the reality Naughty Dog crafts around her. Humans scream and dogs whimper, and it all seems meant to feel more gripping than your Call of Duty kills. This feels more real, and yet Ellie is classic video game brutal.
This worked in the first game because of noble stakes: Joel had to fight for Ellie. This time around, it works only because it’s all Ellie has ever known. She’s a unique blend of strong and damaged, the product of all the flaws Joel gave her in those ending moments of the original game.
Thus it’s not out of line for her to act out with what she knows best, steely rage. She becomes an underrated character study in the tools we have to deal with rage, and how, in our darkest moments, we default to that which we know best.


She’s not the only one, either. Others also exist in darkness in this desperate, isolated world in The Last of Us 2, forsaking community and chances at “a better life” for quests similar to Ellie’s.
It’s as if the nature of humanity, according to Naughty Dog, is that of violence and of not letting go. Even when humans have to survive against a vicious, potent fungal infection, they still can’t put aside differences and truly band together, still can’t help battling each other.

That’s a disquieting echo throughout this game, for reasons that extend beyond this game, and, at times, that can make The Last of Us 2 emotionally challenging to play. But that’s not a reason to avoid this game; if anything it makes The Last of Us 2 that much deeper of a gaming experience. At times, you’ll wish you the game gave you options, permitted you to make choices for Ellie in critical moments.

Or maybe that lack of choice is the cold, hard lesson of it all.
 

Bryank75

Banned
The only negative is that the game is really emotionally challenging to play. This is pretty much echoed by many people, including those who consider it a masterpiece.

Here's the full review..
Thank you for posting (still do not understand why someone would mark it down for that... but anyway)
 
I can't read the full review because the site is blocked in europe...... but from what I see there is no real reason that he marked it down a star?!
Basically "emotionally challenging to play" and "At times, you’ll wish you the game gave you options, permitted you to make choices for Ellie in critical moments." Thats where the star off comes from.
 

Jayjayhd34

Member
I can't read the full review because the site is blocked in europe...... but from what I see there is no real reason that he marked it down a star?!


If you struggle with this in the future search for article and on Google click the arrow and click 'cache' on a mobile you will need change desktop view. I have to do this for local news as they now have a subscription.
 

DavidGzz

Member
Sure it isn't realistic for her to be that buff but I don't care, love to see it honestly, plus I'm bigger so I don't feel as threatened as some in here lol

Btw, you don't need 8k calories like someone said. I eat 2500-3500 depending on if I'm bulking or cutting. As a lighter female she could maintain at 2-2.5k depending on her activity level.
 
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