Radical_3d
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Great. I was worried about having another generation without an “S” dragging all multi platforms deep into the mood.
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The Verge: Xbox Series S (7.5GB usable RAM, 4TF GPU, Up: Same CPU)
- Thread starter Thirty7ven
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Coulomb_Barrier
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$199 this would fly off the shelves, but I would have no interest in a low powered machine.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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Ah, yes. I remember the 32X, Jaguar, PS2 PSX, Net Yaroze, CD-i, 3DO, Virtual Boy, Vita, Pippin etc. being random things thrown at the wall by those trillion-dollar--...
...oh wait, none of those were trillion-dollar companies? Oh, what? SOME of them even engaged in monopolistic market practices themselves that were ruled such a way by the courts (Nintendo, for example)? Whoops....
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splattered
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Refocusing your efforts does not mean pulling off a band aid.
It seems more obvious to me they know what is working for them and what isn't, and they're looking to right the ship before next gen so they can hyper focus on giving the customer options and being able to deliver on them.
bitbydeath
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Yeah, has to be fake. The OS will likely consume 2.5GB of that 7.5GB leaving a max of 5GB for games.
Potato Chip PRO
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Can't we all wait and see the games on both Xbox consoles before we start bitchin?
chilichote
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Lockhart is the only way for Microsoft to get a NextGen-XBox in my living room before the XSeX has dropped in price^^
tryDEATH
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It could be, but we for sure know the piplines are significantly wider now and it has much more advanced technology.
Mobile Suit Gooch
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It might work out...
Nikana
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Clearly states 7.5 of usable RAM not total.Yeah, has to be fake. The OS will likely consume 2.5GB of that 7.5GB leaving a max of 5GB for games.
They're investing in services. Hardware is only a means to an end for them.
IntentionalPun
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The 7.5 GB usable RAM language suggests that would be for the game itself.Yeah, has to be fake. The OS will likely consume 2.5GB of that 7.5GB leaving a max of 5GB for games.
Increasing your I/O speed by 40x means you can use quite a bit less RAM to paint a HIGHER fidelity of assets.
bitbydeath
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The OS requires usable RAM. It doesn’t state 7.5 for games only if that’s what you’re getting at.
bitbydeath
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No, it just means RAM that can be used. They typically state for games if it were for games and then state the OS remainder separately. This is just stating usable ram, nothing more.
IntentionalPun
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You are totally wrong on this; that's not how a "profiling mode" would work. As a dev you'd select a mode like that and the system would limit your RAM to 7.5GB to simulate what the hardware would give you. It's for games. This "profiling mode" is something you'd use on a devkit/PC with far more RAM than that and you wouldn't expect the developer to give a shit how much RAM the OS is taking up, you are telling them how much RAM they are getting.
Also that's just generally what "usable" communicates in a closed system like a console... if you have a 1TB HD and 800GB "usable" that's because the OS reserves 200GB. Same concept here with the profiling mode.
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Magic Carpet
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My old GTX 670 FTW with it's puny 2GB of gddr5 ram paired with a i73770 could play 1080P all day. 1080p gaming has long been solved.
It was a shame that the xbone and the ps4 were so much weaker than that old pc. It really smeared the gaming public's perception on what a gaming system is capable of. 8 long years later and these new systems have a cpu that outperforms my old computer.
I'm tellin ya, 1080p has been solved. It shouldn't even be bothered as a bullet point on a spec sheet. It's just understood to be there or be square.
Price........ Thats where all the worrying should be. Not the techs capability. If it's close to the PS5 then it's a head scratcher. If it gets shelved then what was the point of the 'Series' branding?
It was a shame that the xbone and the ps4 were so much weaker than that old pc. It really smeared the gaming public's perception on what a gaming system is capable of. 8 long years later and these new systems have a cpu that outperforms my old computer.
I'm tellin ya, 1080p has been solved. It shouldn't even be bothered as a bullet point on a spec sheet. It's just understood to be there or be square.
Price........ Thats where all the worrying should be. Not the techs capability. If it's close to the PS5 then it's a head scratcher. If it gets shelved then what was the point of the 'Series' branding?
Self High Five
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$300 is definitely cheap. A $499 Xbox One X has less impressive specs in 2017.
Which makes 'cheaper but not cheap' sensible. Cheaper in this sense means it is will be less than Series X. I'm thinking minimum $399.
Nikana
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Yes it does. That's what useable means. If it didn't it would just say RAM. Also you aren't going to get a 7.5 GB ram from a sum of chip modules without having to get something specially made.
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CrysisFreak
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Ayo dawg that's a yikes from me tbh.
Knitted Knight
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This can't be. I refuse to believe it.
This is SEGA levels crazy.
This is SEGA levels crazy.
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What if it's all digital and has a variation of Xcloud streaming as a key feature? You'd be able to play the latest games at 1080/30 (if your internet is up to it).
thismeinteil
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I think we'll see a $299-$349 Lockhart. A $349-$399 PS5 DE. $399-$449 PS5. $449-$499 Series X. In that scenario, I can't see PS5 not coming out on top.
To me it seems the execs are meddling in the Xbox business, again, just like they did with XBO. Last time it was DRM. This time they want a cheaper Xbox that will be used to push xCloud/GamePass, the thing they really bought those new studios for. I think it's going to backfire myself. And I think a lot of smaller studios will just develop for PS5, since Lockhart will be mandatory to develop on if you go Xbox. Doubt those studios will want to deal with that headache with limited time and resources on their hands.
bitbydeath
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I looked up the definition and Microsoft have said this.
Usually it calls out Games specifically if it means games. Anyway this rumour is likely bunk.
CrustyBritches
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The article is pretty clear that they're reserving 2.5GB for OS on both systems, leaving 7.5GB and 13.5GB, respectively. 10GB seems weird as I was expecting 12GB, but it still makes sense for a 1080p system. On XSX you have 10GB VRAM, 3.5GB System, 2.5GB OS. On XSS you have 4GB VRAM, 3.5GB System, 2.5GB OS. For FH4 on PC, Ultra settings/2xMSAA you get 3.75GB reported VRAM usage @ 1080p, 4.75GB VRAM usage @ 4K. You'd probably expect something along the lines of 4xMSAA for the 4K version which would push the VRAM usage a bit higher. Probably should expect heavier RT effects as well.
I think this makes a lot of sense for a lineup of a $499 4K XSX and $249 1080p XSS. The essential part of the approach is using the same CPU, SSD, and available System memory. This will keep the game design perfectly intact, leaving on the resolution and maybe a few effects as the difference.
I think this makes a lot of sense for a lineup of a $499 4K XSX and $249 1080p XSS. The essential part of the approach is using the same CPU, SSD, and available System memory. This will keep the game design perfectly intact, leaving on the resolution and maybe a few effects as the difference.
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bitbydeath
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Stiflers Mom
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If this thing has games that look and run like its XSEX equivalents but in 1080p, this is seriously getting interesting for me.
No interest to buy a 4k tv over the next few years, to be honest.
No interest to buy a 4k tv over the next few years, to be honest.
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Crazy how bad PC games look that run on 100's of configurations not just 2
Nikana
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Right. Which means that 7.5 is usable and the rest is reserved by the OS.
Hendrick's
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Sounds like it could definitely fill a void. This with a free month of GP and Halo at launch has potential to be a Holiday hit.
Iced Arcade
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Offering more hardware options = retreat?
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alucard0712_rus
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Is this 1080p next-gen console?
vaibhavpisal
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Specs seem fine for 1080p machine.
I would get it if it were $250.
I would get it if it were $250.
M1chl
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That 7.5GB is after the OS cut, so likely it has 10GB memory pool. Which would make sense for lower resolution.Yeah, has to be fake. The OS will likely consume 2.5GB of that 7.5GB leaving a max of 5GB for games.
NullZ3r0
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Remember that with these next gen boxes and their super fast NVME drives, developers don't have to shove everything into memory at once to compensate for slow storage. On top of that, asset sizes for the Series A will be smaller due to the lower target resolution.
NullZ3r0
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They do it all the time on PC. Why does this always need to be repeated?
bitbydeath
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Hardware reserve not software reserve.
Windows 7 64bit takes up 2GB ram. The hardware reserve was .9Gb Ram in the above example.
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Starcheif
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This is wrong.....just wrong.
IntentionalPun
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Dude hardware does not reserve RAM. What piece of hardware do you think is reserving .9GB of RAM? lol
Like.. stop dude. In an SDK when someone tells you what the usable RAM is that is for the software you are writing for that SDK. The SDK sits between the developer and the OS itself.. so the "reserved RAM" is by the OS, even if they use the term "hardware" colloquially. What they mean is the OS embedded in the hardware that you have no control over.
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Nikana
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I don't think you have any idea what you are linking and saying.
M1chl
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Still 4TF, mmm I don't know thhat 1660Ti level of power. I would want to see like 8TF, I think that would be compelling box. But 4TF, meh. Agaiin if this is 30 fps box, it would make sense to downclock the CPU. With that said, keep it otherwise intact...no cache cutting or that kind of shit.
It's software reserve, they are not reporting HW spec, when it comes to memory.
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bitbydeath
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I linked an official Microsoft article that said those very words. You should go and read the quote above again. Yes hardware reserves take up memory. You don’t get the full thing hence the term ‘usable RAM’
IntentionalPun
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You don't understand what you are reading.
I've been developing on Microsoft technology for 20 years. You?
Read my edit... HARDWARE literally CAN NOT reserve RAM. Software uses RAM.... software EMBEDDED on hardware can use RAM.. and in some cases that would be colloquially refereed to as the "hardware reserving RAM.".... AKA the embedded operating system.
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bitbydeath
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Ah, fine. If you won’t believe Microsofts definition then theirs no point taking this discussion any further.
RaySoft
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What it means is that the PS5 will become the defacto dev target, and then they'll scale down to lockhart from that.
The XSX version will probably only be a slight fps adv. over PS5, if any at all.
SirTerry-T
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MOD!
Someone in this thread is showing an unhealthy amount of common sense!
Nikana
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You are literally stating the opposite of what you linked.
A hardware reserving memory is not typical. The link you provided is how to diagnose and find out what is reserving the memory and stop it.
The second link is a system requirements page that states how much ram your machine needs to run windows.
Again, you don't know what you are linking and saying.
IntentionalPun
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You mean like on PC?
I don't want Lockhart to exist myself.. because I do think it'd be better to not have to target a lower end system, and if the thing is $300 anyways I really dont think its gonna fly off shelves and make a difference for MS this gen. But I also think the effect of it is being exaggerated. The vast majority of devs have been targeting far more hardware profiles than TWO for their game releases with more variety than XSX vs XSS.
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