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Need to use the gif again for this post Idy :lol
By the way: we got competition in form of a Diablo III OT.. We can do better
Dreamwriter
Member
I dunno, they might want to reinforce the idea in people's minds that the 3DS is selling incredibly well now that there are some great AAA games out for it. Try to make people forget how it almost failed, and then say how much better the sales are than Vita.
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
Goes both ways. Nintendo fans want to protect/defend Nintendo.
This is the biggest challenge they have to overcome. I feel as if there will be lots of confusion this coming holiday.
The original series was bad, and the upcoming one looks even worse. The middle was okay, though. It's like an Oreo knock-off.
Yes, but which side is more vocal?
Judging by GAF sometimes, it seems negative Nintendo news makes people jizz themselves the most.
Every side wants to defend itself, not arguing against that.
frankie_baby
Member
Barely above 100k? R u privy to the numbers now
Jvm gave a 125k guess, and John Harker said that he was close, so 120k-130k. Abysmal.
I already have to deal with these folks. People are more and more aware of whats coming out, but word of mouth and pictures alone do nothing. around 3/4 consumers I converse with at Best Buy and know about the Wii U think it is either a Handheld or an Add on. So I'm really hoping for a rebranding in the re reveal. I dont want another 3DS holiday mass argument with customers who questioned that the 3DS was just a DS with 3D, and for the same price they'll go with the XL because its got a bigger screen. Buy a 3DS game for their DSiXL becuase they all say DS in the name or get made because 3DS games wont play on the DS's. Hated Nintendo's ad campaign so much last year because it carries over to us sales associate. Now I hate Sony's advertising of the Vita and have to deal with customers "I have a PS3, I wanna get a Vita so I can transfer my MW3 from my PS3 to my Vita and take it on the go"
SolidSnakex
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ORC outsold Revelations. That pretty much says it all.
Portugeezer
Member
Does anyone know if the screen is still single touch or if they updated to multitouch? Or is it not possible on a resistive screen?
My comment was specifically about my sources reactions, impressions, on the mass production dev kits they just received. The increase they witnessed compare to the previous dev kit is slight, they are therefore not impressed by it (like they would if they included a surprising and fantasized 50% overall boost), but not underwhelmed, not disappointed either. It's an noticeable but not huge additional pool of resources given to them, while they were already able to do nice things with the v4 dev kits.
Nice = not 1x Xbox 360, not 1,5x Xbox360, not 5x either. At least 2x from the simple fact that, again, for this specific context (third-parties, ports, before the mass production dev kits arrival, 3 sdk revisions previous the current ones, before a lot of optimizations in several areas, intensive use of the padlet, etc.), they managed to run a nice looking current gen HD game++ (++ = smoother framerate, better IQ, expectation of a few effects not present on ps360 version) on the TV (so let's say 1,2/1,3/1,4x Xbox360) + another view of the main scene at 480p on the padlet (0,3/0,4/0,5x Xbox360 considering the resolution + as blu and other explained, it's quite demanding to render this kind of thing from the same hardware). And it can only get better from this observation/status relevant 3 months ago.
I think it's the 150th time that i repeat that (with some updates here & there), but i think it was necessary after the "what, the Wii U is a DISAPOINTMENTON equal to xbox360" comments from a few since yesterday
Dreamwriter
Member
The fact that the 3DS has sold far more than DS by this time in its life is definitely a huge point.
No, but this is:I thought that the "BURN THE WITCH" part would have made it clear that I was joking.
Hey, is that heart thing a fat joke?
I need to start over and give this a try since the first time I screwed around and had the helper show up which I believe stops me from getting one of the stars.I 100% Mario 3D Land last week or so (5 glittering stars BITCHES!).
-Pyromaniac-
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can there be multi touch for resistive screens? Technically yes. WiiU wont have it though.
TheNamesPlissken
Neo Member
IdeaMan, based on your post it seems you are saying they were not impressed with the UPDATE, rather than the unit overall.
I think most people are asking how do the devs feel about the system overall, not the upgrade in dev kits. I assume they feel the same (not impressed, but not disappointed) but thought I'd go for clarity
I think most people are asking how do the devs feel about the system overall, not the upgrade in dev kits. I assume they feel the same (not impressed, but not disappointed) but thought I'd go for clarity
Twenty7KVN
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Yea it'll be fun going on Engadget during E3.
I think the point is that some people go to unreasonable stretches to spin plainly shit decisions as jusitified, from a corporate point of view. It's armchair-analyst type rationalization, where we think we can predict and elaborate on their practices. Of course that's the point of this thread, but I think it's taken too far at times and it becomes waaaay too focused on what is good for Nintendo's finances and not what's good for gamers.
east of eastside
Banned
Anyone want to predict what is going to happen to Nintendo stock after E3?
They're ADR is at 14.60 right now.
They're ADR is at 14.60 right now.
AceBandage
Banned
Drops to $1 a share and Apple buys them out, instantly skyrocketing it to $100 a share.
It'll jump to 18 prior to E3, 20 after, and lose all of those gains slowly before launch.
If they fully announce eShop apps for smartphone and tablets in which you can buy games, browse trailers and stuff like that while being synced to your NiN ID and then using remote download to your Console and 3DS, obviously not downloading and playing on your phone. I expect a decent rise. But thats all investors care about, they dont care about games, they care about accessibility with their phones.
GameplayWhore
Member
I think people are generally catching your gist. I'd like to add on top that the Garden Demo is still the best qualification* for determining a minimum speculative range for the performance level for the Wii U, and the logic is pretty much along the lines of what you say above.
* assuming that the interactivity means that it was rendered in real time and that Nintendo didn't somehow magically cheat the crap out of it, and assuming that the addition of game mechanics wouldn't dramatically and negatively affect the visual quality
1 million isn't far more, and that gap is going to start to shrink soon.
I'd be surprised, to be honest. If they had something, the response would surely be a standard 'no comment'.
frankie_baby
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Firstly 125k isn't barely above its pretty noticeably above, secondly that was just a GUESS from jvm and there was nothing in john harkers comment saying the 3ds guess specifically was good just that overall they were good guesses
Stop talking silly please
You just jizzed your pants at the thought of it dropping further?
Please go away.
It did okay in Japan, but bombed HARD in the US and Europe.
"Not playable"...who cares? All we want is trailers and announcements.
GameplayWhore
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What the thread is facing now is totally understandable.
Skipping on "the graphics are not important" moralist comments will be appreciated.
Because style, art direction is important and have to be fused with the technical aspect more. And being so antagonized, it lead to some mind boggling comments like how a game is technically beautiful but with bad or uninteresting art.
Technically beautiful, how interesting...
Since the first thread, it's what we want to know, what can do the wiiu powerwise, with the ghost of 3rd party bad support on nintendo home consoles .
And like I said all the reassuring comments through the year just means nothing when a single bad news bring back the doubts. And that's obvious, it's just talk and not for people having saw something directly.
That will be incoherent to back-pedalling when we're already not waiting for something nuclear.
Skipping on "the graphics are not important" moralist comments will be appreciated.
Because style, art direction is important and have to be fused with the technical aspect more. And being so antagonized, it lead to some mind boggling comments like how a game is technically beautiful but with bad or uninteresting art.
Technically beautiful, how interesting...
Since the first thread, it's what we want to know, what can do the wiiu powerwise, with the ghost of 3rd party bad support on nintendo home consoles .
And like I said all the reassuring comments through the year just means nothing when a single bad news bring back the doubts. And that's obvious, it's just talk and not for people having saw something directly.
That will be incoherent to back-pedalling when we're already not waiting for something nuclear.
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
Wii U November launch reconfirmed.
Fourth Storm
Member
Allow me to give a personal example. I've been gaming for a long time, and perhaps I'm not hardcore enough still, but I have more than enough games to play for probably the next 10 years. I probably spend way too much time on this forum, but I try to maintain a real life as well. There's just too many good games out there to play them all! When it comes to console choices, it's always been about specific games for me. I bought a 360 for Bioshock and Fallout3 and I bought a PS3 for Final Fantasy XIII and MGS4.
Nintendo should be well aware that it takes specific games to lure in buyers. This is why it is troublesome that while, yes, some 3rd party support has been announced and is expected, there are several key titles missing. Bioshock Infinite, Resident Evil 6, Crysis 3: For alot of gamers, these are must-plays. That's a problem over sheer quantity (and we'll see about Rockstar). At the same time, you can't blame the devs. As good as those games will likely sell, they aren't putting up Call of Duty numbers. Thus, it should come as no surprise that that CoD seems to be the only AAA multiplatform title coming to Wii U from that elite group of developers.
GameplayWhore
Member
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMxfqr0Dnz8
We won't see something this awesome for at least a decade. D:
Yeah I mostly agree, it'll mostly come down to the software sales and if they justify the additional investment.
Ok cool, as long as it's clear I wasn't bashing the system. I'll admit I'm pessimistic with the Wii-U, but I'm the same with the 720 and PS4 when people are hoping for 6GB monster machines with 12 core CPUs, etc. I think it's better to keep expectations realistic or low and be surprised than to build up this hype machine in your head just to be disappointed.
I don't necessarily agree about the bleeding edge comment. The PS1, DC, PS2, xbox, and now PS360 have all produced exceptional and significantly better looking games at launch. PCs usually beat them out in regards to more memory, but the consoles also held their own set of advantages. I agree though that we won't see that again next gen, no matter how large the leap may be.
Please don't tell me you're part of that cult who believes the conspiracy theory that the industry has something against Nintendo? If the sales support the investment, the Wii-U will have it's 3rd party support IMO.
There are major major differences between last gen with the Wii vs PS360 and next gen with the Wii-U vs PS4/720 in regards to 3rd party support and porting.
jump_button
Banned
I just hope Big N dont let in game purchases in like iOS games
its like the next level to locking stuff as dlc but this time they not going to hide it and put it on everything but the basic's 3rd partys not big N
its like the next level to locking stuff as dlc but this time they not going to hide it and put it on everything but the basic's 3rd partys not big N
IdeaMan, based on your post it seems you are saying they were not impressed with the UPDATE, rather than the unit overall.
I think most people are asking how do the devs feel about the system overall, not the upgrade in dev kits. I assume they feel the same (not impressed, but not disappointed) but thought I'd go for clarity
Yeah i explicitly said that, it was their impression about the increase of performance bring by the mass production dev kits. They are like "ok", for the hardware capabilities part.
About their overall feeling, it hasn't much changed then since the one they expressed for the V4, it's a solid piece of hardware, but not to the point to wow them, clearly. Otherwise, they are SUPER enthusiasts in regard to innovative gameplay/gamedesign that they will/are currently building thanks to the Wii U setting (asymmetrical screen, control schemes, etc.).
I'll re-quote one of my very first post in concerning my sources impressions, in the thread 2:
3 months later, with the newest dev kits, 3 new SDK revisions, further optimizations, their "appreciation bar of the Wii U capabilities" progressed further, for the better obviously because of every changes i reported. They are still not impressed, to be more precise, what they are playing with isn't what they envisioned, they fantasized, they dreamed, of what a real generational step after the current gen HD would be, but they are clearly not delusional about it either as they would if it was just a beefier Xbox 360. And further addition, the state of the PS420 is still rather vague for them, so it's not sure how the Wii U will position itself, as a Dreamcast stop-gap between Xbox 360 and next next gen ? The PS2- to PS2+ (compare to GC and Xbox) of the upcoming gen ?
axisofweevils
Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
I think SF4 did well due to the fact that there wasn't exactly many 3DS titles to choose from at launch. I'm not into fighting games at all, but I still bought SF4 for that reason.
My prediction was in the form of buying more NTDOY a few weeks back.
GameplayWhore
Member
I'm still mulling that. Even if Wii U doesn't rise to the heavens, a "decent" and generally profitable generation would probably be an upward surprise by stockholders at this point, considering what is expected from analysts with all the hubbub about mobile devices, and considering that they're around GameCube year levels of investor performance.
I found out how to log into my stock market website thing, so it seems to be an option if I decide to roll with it.
Now there's a massive market just waiting to be tapped.
-Pyromaniac-
Member
nopee
No, it's well above the PSP. In fact, you are banned from all sales discussion because you really really suck at it. You get a small nugget of information and twist it without any sort of context or concern for accuracy. You might as well start posting those other sales numbers.
Behind PSP launch-aligned in the US, I mean. Sorry, I thought that was obvious.
SolidSnakex
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But they should. It would send a clear message about how serious they were at attacking the core market.
GameplayWhore
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Perhaps that helps a bit?
edit: Ah, US comparisons would probably be more shifted towards PSP. However, I would like to see software shipment numbers for 3DS vs PSP, as that was a particular point of difficulty with the latter in the early days (many people seemed to buy it as a trendy mp3 player instead of a game machine, I've been told).
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