In what way does this resemble actual human facial animations. No really.
Just look at how it all moves. This is actually right in the middle of the uncanny valley.
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This Nathan Drake GIF perfectly sums up how I reacted to this Nathan Drake GIF.
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In what way does this resemble actual human facial animations. No really.
Just look at how it all moves. This is actually right in the middle of the uncanny valley.
Yeah, that's what I feared. Of all developers, I didn't expect ND to cut corners like that.
BibiMaghoo
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That is like, the entire premise for the thread, that this new animation is better than those that came before it. You can't really have an issue with that and still be in here lol.
lukeskymac
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Top tier animation as always from ND. If people are all for making comparisons, Ryse is up there.
Yeah, Ryse definitely looks more natural than TR or QB, though QB's plasticky aesthetic actually looks good in a stylized way, whereas TR just looks off.
InsaneTiger
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Thats an amazing animation, not sure why people think the hand look like a tarantula. Hands are weird and very amazing at the same time.
For some reason, I'm memorized by this, from the shirt to his hair (it's so brown)...Order (or is everyone saying Battlefront now) right now is the king of (console) graphics and while there have been doubts this game may beat it...for some reason, all the mundane stuff on this gif somehow wows me more.just a little example of how the game shift from cut scenes to gameplay
God, we're making comparative comparisons to excellent looking games now; we are a spoiled bunch.
YankeeDonB
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I admire what they've done here, but it is very much uncanny valley for me. Not so much in stills, but in movement there is something unsettling (particularly noticeable in the tarantula hand, but really in all movement I've seen from this game).
I suppose the extent to which it seems creepy and unnerving is itself a hallmark of how close they've come to digitally recreating real looking humans and real looking human movement.
But is the technological advancement the point? I'd prefer something slightly more stylized that stayed well clear of the uncanny valley, and, for me at least, that would better serve the goal of getting me emotionally engaged in a character-based story. Photorealism is obviously where big-budget Western games are headed though, and eventually someone will come out on the other side, just hasn't happened yet I don't think.
I suppose the extent to which it seems creepy and unnerving is itself a hallmark of how close they've come to digitally recreating real looking humans and real looking human movement.
But is the technological advancement the point? I'd prefer something slightly more stylized that stayed well clear of the uncanny valley, and, for me at least, that would better serve the goal of getting me emotionally engaged in a character-based story. Photorealism is obviously where big-budget Western games are headed though, and eventually someone will come out on the other side, just hasn't happened yet I don't think.
e3 demo didnt have shadow
NeoRaider
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Imo. GIF can't even show anything without the audio. There is nothing wrong with facial animations in this scene when you actually play the game, and know what it is about. Audio and voice emotions are very important part of the whole scene and for the "full picture".
InsaneTiger
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That is awful, is her mouth full of marbles when she talks!
cripterion
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I think it's the gif in conjunction with the two gameplay demos we've had as the reason why people are spazzing with excitement.
And?
LegendofDragoonLives
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First thing you should do is schedule an appointment with an optometrist.
SocksAndShoes
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Troy Baker is crazy talented.
Garrett Hawke
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Give us smooth! Give us silky!
Sword Of Doom
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Lara's facial animations really weirded me out. the lower part of her face looked paralyzed. It was the same for every character in that game
Yes, but it's the ability to convey complex emotions through subtle expressions that people find impressive. Even in real life acting this is the case. If you look at Nate's eyes in the gif, there's a lot going on and being conveyed without the need for telegraphing it through exaggerated expressions. Not saying the Lara clip is terrible or anything but it's just not really on the same level.
Garrett Hawke
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She's an incredibly rich, incredibly healthy early 20 something year old - I don't think her skin looks THAT out of place tbh.
Eh, I would disagree with you there. I would say sometimes Camilla's acting was overdone but overall I was really happy with the results.
Adding the voice acting to that .gif would only make it worse
The audio and voiceacting don't make the animations human-like in any way.
It looks like a hand-animated marionette with select points of facial articulation that just don't integrate well.
Like she's just switching from 'facial animation preset #17' to 'facial animation preset #23' and so forth. It's in no way a lifelike animation.
GribbleGrunger
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Why would they use shadows to hide a transition when it's straight from cutscene to gameplay? There's nothing to hide.
On another note, if people really want to see how good ND are, try watching the scenes with the sound turned off. It's a revelation.
piccio_ssl
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Bitch Pudding
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Looks nice. But nothing someone would open a thread about, so to speak. Maybe 3 years ago, but not today.
Sword Of Doom
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i didn't make a conscious decision to not like her facials animations, it just looked off to me And once you notice it you can't unsee it
IronicSonic
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Next level
The Lara Gif is far away from uncanny valley. The funny thing about that gif is: clean her up, replace the light and put some chessy music and vocals on top of that and this would be a scene from a possible CGI remake of Arabella, Beauty and the Beast and so on. Yeah, very Disney-like.
The tech in RoTR is great but the "acting" in that scene can't be compared to the OP gif.
The tech in RoTR is great but the "acting" in that scene can't be compared to the OP gif.
NeoRaider
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?? I didn't find anything wrong with her voice acting in that scene, but maybe it's just me.
?? I didn't find anything wrong with her voice acting in that scene, but maybe it's just me.
God I can't wait to play this on PS4.
But back to topic... I can't get over all that detail in their animation.
This is realtime....Amazing! Yes it cuts straight to gameplay
Just look at that lemur.
At the end of the gif he adjusts his hand on the guys head unconciously.. And you can SEE that unconciousness (And right now I'm a little weirded out by the English language since unconcious also means.. well.. unconcious as in knocked out)
I love the explosion reaction animations in the MP as well (taken from the Making Of... Thread.)
Like, they're so smoooooth. I can't even tell where the animations begin and end it's done so well.
I find stuff like this MUCH more impressive than scripted cinematic animations... this stuff is happening in the heat of gameplay.
Red Liquorice
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There seems to be a lot of thought put in to how to make Nathan Drake sexually attractive to straight boys, which I'm all for.
FalsettoVibe
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Insane.....
Lunafreya Nox Fleuret
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This is absolutely incredible. Best graphics and animations I have ever seen in a video game.
DISSESHOWEDO
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The Omega Man
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These salty comments, why? It's almost like some people are mad that this game looks this good, no comprendo.
ND is pretty fucking good at it.
pasta_fire
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All these gifs are crashing my browser but anyway, this looks incredible and I can't wait to play.
Judd Simantov is a character TD at Naughty Dog and a few years ago he gave a talk about the animation rigs used in TLoU. The rigs were fairly standard with the exception of a few extra features to give an animator more control to hit the desired perfect pose. The point he stressed was that the design philosophy was more about art than tech. An increase in facial joints and the addition of corrective blendshapes are only part of it.
I would assume the gif in the OP looks good because of all the care and the amount of time spent on it by a talented animator. The time spent per shot/cutscene is probably similar to that of animated feature film. It's a bit goofy when people say dumb shit like "thank you based MOVA" and froth over mocap tech they just learned about, when animators are still doing an insane amount of work for the final result.
And Ryse is a 2013 game. The first gif is all about subtlety. The second is all about exaggeration. Looks great in both. Again, more to do with talent and time rather than tech.
I would assume the gif in the OP looks good because of all the care and the amount of time spent on it by a talented animator. The time spent per shot/cutscene is probably similar to that of animated feature film. It's a bit goofy when people say dumb shit like "thank you based MOVA" and froth over mocap tech they just learned about, when animators are still doing an insane amount of work for the final result.
Top tier animation as always from ND. If people are all for making comparisons, Ryse is up there.
And Ryse is a 2013 game. The first gif is all about subtlety. The second is all about exaggeration. Looks great in both. Again, more to do with talent and time rather than tech.
Lara waifu defense force.
Bitch Pudding
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They are, but when it comes to "scale", there's even a better one (maybe even two).
lukeskymac
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It had a flash of light when the door opened.
Uh, LOD transitions? Like the one we caught at the very beginning of the 2014 PSX demo? Possibly lighting/shader quality too.
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