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Trump vs. Clinton debate most watched in Nielsen history

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Aaron Strife

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Luap said:
Voting for Hillary. I know she has repeatedly lied about many things. Her email scandal is shady, and embarrassing at best. The Clinton Foundation fuckery shows even more shadiness. She voted for the Iraq War. She has trouble coming off as relatable, because she's been rich and a politician for so long, and acts like it — apparently she is very impressive and sincere behind closed doors, but she often comes off as stiff and overly-rehearsed in public. There's more that I know I'm forgetting off the top of my head, but it doesn't matter; the point is that there's plenty of things to dislike about her as a presidential candidate, but even so, the choice isn't even fucking close. Trump is a walking, talking disaster of a candidate. Last night's debate pointed out that he's all show and no go; when pressed for actual policy details he flounders because he has no idea what he's talking about when he isn't spouting off his trademark bombastic-but-vague comments. Hillary is a textbook politician, but despite what Fox News would have you believe, at least she is competent.

Most of HillGAF likely agrees with me on the points above. She has been roundly criticized on this forum for her faults. Sadly many online Trump supporters can't seem to tell the difference between criticism and outright lies, conspiracy fucknuttery, and stupid bigoted comments that belong in 4chan.
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I mostly agree with you but I'm gonna stop short of saying there's "shadiness" with the Clinton foundation. Obviously if she's elected she should remove herself from it to prevent a conflict of interest but the foundation is an A+-rated charity. The AP tried to insinuate there was something there even after they found nothing. It was utterly shit reporting.

This "yeah but it LOOKS bad so it must be pretty bad!" attitude seems to hit Clinton a lot harder than standard politicians, I wonder why. Even the emails turned out to be a big nothingburger.
 
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Seik

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astroturfing said:
people were pretty excited for Trump in our office, most thought he was hilarious and provided good entertainment. Clinton was a snoozefest..
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You guys will have the choice, funny unexperienced clown or serious and articulated business woman? Which can run one of the biggest countries in the world properly?

Decision, decision.
 
Head of Vengarl

Head of Vengarl

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Aaron Strife said:
I mostly agree with you but I'm gonna stop short of saying there's "shadiness" with the Clinton foundation. Obviously if she's elected she should remove herself from it to prevent a conflict of interest but the foundation is an A+-rated charity. The AP tried to insinuate there was something there even after they found nothing. It was utterly shit reporting.

This "yeah but it LOOKS bad so it must be pretty bad!" attitude seems to hit Clinton a lot harder than standard politicians, I wonder why. Even the emails turned out to be a big nothingburger.
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John Oliver's latest segment goes in on the shadiness:

https://youtu.be/h1Lfd1aB9YI?t=8m55s
 
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whyamihere

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Total seems to be 84 million on TV.

http://www.latimes.com/entertainmen...et-ct-debate-ratings-20160927-snap-story.html

The contentious first presidential debate between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump lived up to its big ratings expectations with an estimated average TV viewership that will top the previous record of 80.6 million.

The total average audience for Monday’s matchup for the ad-supported broadcast and cable networks as well as PBS came in around at 84 million, according to Nielsen numbers.

Monday’s faceoff tops the previous record for a presidential debate set when Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan clashed on Oct. 28, 1980. It was their only meeting of that year’s presidential campaign, which occurred in an era when U.S. households had only a handful of channels to choose from.

The total across broadcast and cable networks measured by Nielsen for the Clinton-Trump debate does not include viewers who watched the debate through various video streams available online. Streaming likely cut into the TV audience number as younger viewers have turned to digital devices to watch programs and live events since the 2012 presidential debates, the highest of which averaged 67.2 million viewers.
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vinnygambini

Why are strippers at the U.N. bad when they're great at strip clubs???
In early numbers, which will likely change when finals come in, NBC averaged 18.2 million viewers for coverage of the debate between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, followed by ABC with 13.5 million, CBS with 12.1 million, and Fox with 5 million.

On cable, Fox News drew 11.4 million total viewers, followed by CNN with 9.8 million, MSNBC with 4.9 million, Fox Business with 673,000, and CNBC with 520,000. Univision averaged 2.5 million for its debate coverage, and Telemundo averaged 1.8 million

http://variety.com/2016/tv/news/tv-ratings-presidential-debate-1201871608/
 
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Einhander

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The reality is, the entire reason it broke a record is because of Trump's antics. So, in a way, he could be commended for getting more people engaged in the political process.

I was frustrated by both of them during the debate. Trump's constant interruptions got old fast, and Hillary's constant smiling was sort of grating. I think she is plagued with the same issues Gore had when he was running. People saw him as too stiff and a fake/dry personality.
 
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manakel

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Luap said:
Voting for Hillary. I know she has repeatedly lied about many things. Her email scandal is shady, and embarrassing at best. The Clinton Foundation fuckery shows even more shadiness. She voted for the Iraq War. She has trouble coming off as relatable, because she's been rich and a politician for so long, and acts like it — apparently she is very impressive and sincere behind closed doors, but she often comes off as stiff and overly-rehearsed in public. There's more that I know I'm forgetting off the top of my head, but it doesn't matter; the point is that there's plenty of things to dislike about her as a presidential candidate, but even so, the choice isn't even fucking close. Trump is a walking, talking disaster of a candidate. Last night's debate pointed out that he's all show and no go — when pressed for actual policy details he flounders because he has no idea what he's talking about when he isn't spouting off his trademark "bombastic but light on detail" comments. Hillary is a textbook politician, but despite what Fox News would have you believe, at least she is competent.

Most of HillGAF likely agrees with me on the points above. She has been roundly criticized on this forum for her faults. Sadly many online Trump supporters can't seem to tell the difference between criticism and outright lies, conspiracy fucknuttery, and stupid bigoted comments that belong in 4chan.
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I couldn't agree more with this post.
 
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EatinOlives

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Patroklos said:
The reality is, the entire reason it broke a record is because of Trump's antics. So, in a way, he could be commended for getting more people engaged in the political process.

I was frustrated by both of them during the debate. Trump's constant interruptions got old fast, and Hillary's constant smiling was sort of grating. I think she is plagued with the same issues Gore had when he was running. People saw him as too stiff and a fake/dry personality.
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That's like saying a scat-flinging hobo who shits himself and sprays diarrhea all over bystanders should be "commended" for "getting people more engaged in personal hygiene".

And please, don't even try to equate Clinton smiling with Trump's incessant fuckery. Clinton may have smiled, but Trump literally admitted to tax evasion, advocated war crimes, insisted committing an act of war would not result in a war, argued in favor of Stop and Frisk to the point of trying to say it was never ruled unconstitutional, the list goes on. If you actually saw the debate and are still pretending you're being frustrated by both equally you're not being anywhere near as neutral as you think you are.
 
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makingmusic476

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titiklabingapat said:
That's fine because debate watchers were more Democratic. It's basically morbid curiosity + rallying the base for Clinton, which is a double win.
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Going off of my Facebook feed, people that leaned left watched the debate, while people that leaned right made snarky comments about not bothering with the trainwreck.

I got the impression that people I know who are actively supporting Trump wrote the debate off before it happened, claiming it would be a mess, but I think they just didn't want to see who they're voting for directly contrasted with Hillary.
 
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nillah

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There will always be 100 million trump fans out there, and so and so Clinton supporters out there this debate will solve NOTHING. I think we'll see come election time.
 
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Paz

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It's incredible how different this election is to the one in 2012, it's like America went full Idiocracy in just 4 years.

Based on ratings and entertainment value.a candidate has a legitimate chance at 'leading the free world'.
 
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Piecake

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Paz said:
It's incredible how different this election is to the one in 2012, it's like America went full Idiocracy in just 4 years.

Based on ratings and entertainment value.a candidate has a legitimate chance at 'leading the free world'.
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Next election, two Kardashians square off to decide who becomes the next president of the United States
 
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Einchy

semen stains the mountaintops
BSsBrolly said:
Trump wiped the floor with himself. Hillary stepped out of the way.
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It was funny as fuck when she just let him ramble on for a good minute and make no sense.

I was worried about how the debate was going to go and I became even more so when he was talking over her and she wasn't able to get her points across. He couldn't really do shit as the debate went on, though.
 
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Einhander

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EatinOlives said:
And please, don't even try to equate Clinton smiling with Trump's incessant fuckery. Clinton may have smiled, but Trump literally admitted to tax evasion, advocated war crimes, insisted committing an act of war would not result in a war, argued in favor of Stop and Frisk to the point of trying to say it was never ruled unconstitutional, the list goes on. If you actually saw the debate and are still pretending you're being frustrated by both equally you're not being anywhere near as neutral as you think you are.
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I have no obsession with either candidate, bro. And I watched the entire debate. "Lesser of two evils" is a stupid argument because it shoos away any criticism against the popular candidate. It is possible to express disappointment in a candidate and still planning to vote for them. Learn to stop thinking in absolutes and being harshly reactionary.
 
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Suikoguy

I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
nillah said:
There will always be 100 million trump fans out there, and so and so Clinton supporters out there this debate will solve NOTHING. I think we'll see come election time.
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What on earth are you talking about?

Then again you said we would be lucky to have Trump has president, so I probably don't want to know.
 
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Faddy

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The advertisers must be delighted.

No doubt Trump Hotels, Casinos, Resorts, Country and Golf Clubs will see their Brand Power rise through this exclusive advertisement partnership
 
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Azzanadra

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Admiral Woofington said:
It's the first debate that featured what was essentially cartoon characters who were ready to throw pies at each other.
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I am going to guess a lot of people will disagree with you, but I kind of see what you mean.

Donald may be a bafoon, like literally a child running for President- but Clinton on the other hand seems very robotic and manufactured that the duality to the debate does seem cartoonish, like this could be a south park episode and all they would have to do is use the voice clips from the debate.
 
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Ferrio

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Azzanadra said:
I am going to guess a lot of people will disagree with you, but I kind of see what you mean.

Donald may be a bafoon, like literally a child running for President- but Clinton on the other hand seems very robotic and manufactured that the duality to the debate does seem cartoonish, like this could be a south park episode and all they would have to do is use the voice clips from the debate.
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She remained calm and composed against an idiot who has broken lesser men. If that's robotic, I'll take it.
 
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digdug2k

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Bad_Boy said:
I wouldnt say anything bad about hillary around here. Never ends well.
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I love seeing people post this shit in the face of the "Will the Left Survive the Millennials?" thread this week. Wasn't the takeaway from everyone there, "You're fine making whatever asinine comments you want, just don't expect people to sit back and nod yes to all of them."?
 
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Toxi

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Azzanadra said:
I am going to guess a lot of people will disagree with you, but I kind of see what you mean.

Donald may be a bafoon, like literally a child running for President- but Clinton on the other hand seems very robotic and manufactured that the duality to the debate does seem cartoonish, like this could be a south park episode and all they would have to do is use the voice clips from the debate.
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Everybody looks robotic and manufactured on the same stage as Donald Trump. Or as anyone else would call it, calm and prepared.
 
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EatinOlives

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Patroklos said:
I have no obsession with either candidate, bro. And I watched the entire debate. "Lesser of two evils" is a stupid argument because it shoos away any criticism against the popular candidate. It is possible to express disappointment in a candidate and still planning to vote for them. Learn to stop thinking in absolutes and being harshly reactionary.
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What exactly is "harshly reactionary" about what I said? Did Trump not say every one of those things?

There's plenty to critique about Clinton but "she smiled while Trump told her her entire political career has been a farce" is way down the list. It's in no way in the same league as to what Trump did through nearly the entire debate. Let's elevate the discourse like you want by actually criticizing something of substance.
 
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Adam_Vania

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predictably, this reality show shitshow of an election gets big tv ratings. both Trump and Clinton are TV and film stars and are authentic celebs from the oh-so-nostalgic 90s. it's telling that the 2nd most watched debate also featured movie star Ronald Reagan.

so yeah, impressive and unexpected if you had no idea Americans like to watch celebrities on tv.

i didn't watch it cos they are so over-saturated there's no need to seek it out, we are all living on a 24-hour Trump/Clinton news drip-feed.

please god make it stop
 
Monocle

Monocle

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Adam_Vania said:
predictably, this reality show shitshow of an election gets big tv ratings. both Trump and Clinton are TV and film stars and are authentic celebs from the oh-so-nostalgic 90s. it's telling that the 2nd most watched debate also featured movie star Ronald Reagan.

so yeah, impressive and unexpected if you had no idea Americans like to watch celebrities on tv.

i didn't watch it cos they are so over-saturated there's no need to seek it out, we are all living on a 24-hour Trump/Clinton news drip-feed.

please god make it stop
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Actually it was pretty engaging to see Hillary's substantial answers contrasted against Trump's empty ranting. She said some very well considered things about the racial bias of police, and US foreign policy. And she got Trump to brag about tax evasion and reveal his utter cluelessness about cybersecurity, among many other things.

The debate wasn't just entertaining—it was a very informative look at the vast gulf between Hillary and Trump's temperament, knowledge, and qualifications.
 
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Debirudog

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Adam_Vania said:
predictably, this reality show shitshow of an election gets big tv ratings. both Trump and Clinton are TV and film stars and are authentic celebs from the oh-so-nostalgic 90s. it's telling that the 2nd most watched debate also featured movie star Ronald Reagan.

so yeah, impressive and unexpected if you had no idea Americans like to watch celebrities on tv.

i didn't watch it cos they are so over-saturated there's no need to seek it out, we are all living on a 24-hour Trump/Clinton news drip-feed.

please god make it stop
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Don't say this kind of shit as if you're a smartie pants when you claimed you haven't watched it at all lol.
 
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j_k_redtail

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Luap said:
Voting for Hillary. I know she has repeatedly lied about many things. Her email scandal is shady, and embarrassing at best. The Clinton Foundation fuckery shows even more shadiness. She voted for the Iraq War. She has trouble coming off as relatable, because she's been rich and a politician for so long, and acts like it — apparently she is very impressive and sincere behind closed doors, but she often comes off as stiff and overly-rehearsed in public. There's more that I know I'm forgetting off the top of my head, but it doesn't matter; the point is that there's plenty of things to dislike about her as a presidential candidate, but even so, the choice isn't even fucking close. Trump is a walking, talking disaster of a candidate. Last night's debate pointed out that he's all show and no go — when pressed for actual policy details he flounders because he has no idea what he's talking about when he isn't spouting off his trademark "bombastic but light on detail" comments. Hillary is a textbook politician, but despite what Fox News would have you believe, at least she is competent.

Most of HillGAF likely agrees with me on the points above. She has been roundly criticized on this forum for her faults. Sadly many online Trump supporters can't seem to tell the difference between criticism and outright lies, conspiracy fucknuttery, and stupid bigoted comments that belong in 4chan.
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Nailed it... Hillary is a flawed politician, but a deeply competent one. Between her and Trump it's not even close.
 
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