El_Tiguere
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Have you seen the details of the FBI case? is it about handling US classified material? is it about possible collusion with an enemy state? It would be fun to pit them all against each other to see who people still like the most.
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Vox: Bernie Sanders is the Democrats real 2020 frontrunner
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Have you seen the details of the FBI case? is it about handling US classified material? is it about possible collusion with an enemy state? It would be fun to pit them all against each other to see who people still like the most.
El_Tiguere
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Or corporate Dems can get their heads out of the asses of their corporate lobbyists... that would be great if done prior to 2018.
Aaron Strife
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Bernie is too old
We need Biden to run
Or Jimmy Carter. People are going to make Carter-Trump comparisons until the end of time. Don't let them, Jimmy! Take your revenge with a long-overdue second term.
We need Biden to run
Or Jimmy Carter. People are going to make Carter-Trump comparisons until the end of time. Don't let them, Jimmy! Take your revenge with a long-overdue second term.
Dreams-Visions
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Diamond Joe is exactly 1 year younger than Bernie. Bernie simply looks his age.
Bonen no Max'd
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would probably be down for a Carter candidacy if he isn't literally dead by 2020
SolidSnakex
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I think most people, probably even including Bernie, would love to do that. But where's that person? Like I mentioned earlier, the Democrats had eight years to find a successor to Obama. They saw Obama's rise. He was a young and extremely charismatic politician that managed to connect with young voters on a level that we hadn't seen in a long time. Their answer was to go with Clinton. Someone that has no charisma and struggles to connect to young people.
Isaac Otherworld
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Part of the Hillary's campaign pushed the "pied piper strategy" of using media allies to push Trump and Cruz as serious candidates because if they won the primary they'd lose the GE because they're "unelectable."
It's not too riduculous of an idea that interal party politics don't necessarily create beyter candidates for the general election isn't thst radical of an idea.
Veritigo_X
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The Pres That Was Promised
VendettaRed07
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I mean sure. We'd love to vote for a young exciting candidate in their 40s.
Problem is we don't have many. (Or any? Gillibrand and Harris will be in their 50s by 2020 I think. But yeah that's much better than basically 80)
Also it won't be boomers that will be deciding the race if Bernie wins. It'll be because of young voters, and the lack of other candidates who have an agenda that gives them some sort of hope that they aren't basically positioned for a life of renting a single bedroom apparentment, unmarried, working a shitty retail job. Etc.
Palette Swap
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Good luck with candidacy. He's not bad, but I can't say I see him uniting the democratic base.
On the flipside, this would get the insufferable what ifs to stop if he managed to lose to Trump after 4 years of unpopular orange presidency, much like the only vaguely positive documented effect of Trump ever was the end of the "yas queen" dumb shit.
On the flipside, this would get the insufferable what ifs to stop if he managed to lose to Trump after 4 years of unpopular orange presidency, much like the only vaguely positive documented effect of Trump ever was the end of the "yas queen" dumb shit.
Aaron Strife
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BUNTING1243
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i'd hope there's a better progressive alternative by then but if it's between sanders and someone like corey booker or chris murphy i'll gladly vote for ol' bernie
Ziltoidia 9
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Biden in one year younger than Bernie. Lulz.
Yep. It was this year or not at all. It's not at all.
Dems need to find someone that has Bernie's appeal and about 20 years less of his age.
Biden will also be too old, sad to say.
Bonen no Max'd
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Booker is terrible but Chris Murphy is actually pretty good.
Age is a killer but Trump ain't no spring chicken either. Plus, opposition parties typically run some pretty terrible candidates against sitting presidents so I wouldn't mind Bernie getting a shot in a GE. His ideas and appeal are real. He'd do better than some empty suit at least.
Isaac Otherworld
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When the party has been routed on all fronts it leaves us with very shallow pool to pull talent from. I'd love to have a younger candidate as good as Bernie.
Veritigo_X
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Uhh where is this idea Chris Murphy is bad coming from? Is this actually something people think?
He's establishment etc etc..
Trump is too old already. Bernie will be 79-80 by 2020. If he was able to serve 4 years, he'd be 84. Biden would be 78-79, 83 after four.
TheCochese
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I genuinely cried laughing. Thank you.
Henchmen21
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So? He's in better shape than Clinton & Trump (and Biden) combined.
Fenderputty
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He's a meme in that Many Bernie supporters who hated Clinton loved Biden even though he's more conservative than Clinton.
Today? Yes. In 4 years? Who knows.
Shape is pretty irrelevant in this case. You also have to convince the public that he's worth voting for while pushing 80.
Henchmen21
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No we didn't.
Fenderputty
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UnemployedVillain
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The man's already had to give up his peanut farm once. Don't make him go through that ordeal again!
Father_Brain
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He's more popular within the Democratic Party than any other Democrat with a national profile, save perhaps Obama or Biden. (for comparison, Clinton's favorables are about the same, but her unfavorables are much higher)
However, the small minority of the party that dislikes him overlaps heavily with where its institutional power is concentrated, so that's a real obstacle to any 2020 run.
Why does this matter? Honestly. If he can do the job, and is popular, let him run.
Well they just voted for an obese 71 year old who took a golf cart rather than walking 200 feet so...
I for one am glad that we mandate our President does not have business and financial conflicts of interest while in office and are mandated to give up their assets to a blind trust.
True, I guess that's somewhat hopeful in a bizarre way then.
Why bother having an argument if you're not going to be serious?
UnemployedVillain
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What does this even mean? Do you guys even think before posting some of these things?
Bonen no Max'd
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on the plus side I imagine he (or a successor candidate) could more reliably expect union endorsements in 2020
if Bernie had SEIU on board in 2016 I imagine he could have won Nevada and I imagine a successor candidate would have a good shot at winning the IA/NH/NV if they could improve even a little on his performance before voting started.
KoopaTheCasual
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Campaign wise: It's arguably worse. Having an open FBI investigation about bank fraud, when Sanders entire platform is built around having limited involvement with banks and being squeaky clean would have been catastrophic for his image.
Don't understand how you can't see that, but oh well.
Ahh, I see we've entered the "my dad would beat up your dad" stage of the debate.
Henchmen21
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How is that not serious? Did you forget Clinton being chucked into a van like a side of beef? And then lying about what she had? I shouldn't have to go into how Trump & Biden are both out of shape.
Emperor_Uriel
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The saddest truth is that a gigantic portion of Americans aren't ready to see a young(ish) black woman embarrass a white male president on the campaign trail.
whyamihere
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She also was helped by the tacit support of Culinary and the Reid Machine, even though they "didn't endorse". Though neither of those things helped Obama in 2008 when Hillary won Nevada, so maybe Nevada just is down with Hill.
But yes, SEIU + Culinary would be a huge boon to Nevada.
Henchmen21
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He would have had they let their members vote on it but union leaders picked her instead. That was par for the course though. Every single union Bernie won was through member voting.
Bonen no Max'd
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Nevada was close enough that I think union support for Bernie would have flipped it for him. Certainly not NH numbers but he would've have pulled a win there I think.
Kid Kamikaze10
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I mean, can we wait until Nina or even Our Revolution make significant headway before making predictions.
Because right now, she got a previous track record of some time in office, a massive L, and a reputation of being egotistical and immature.
Not great signs compared to others being considered. Even Bernie
jack_package_200
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https://twitter.com/zatchry/status/880938879926378496
Nina Turner: Our Revolution will endorse Republicans, Libertarians, Green Party.
History of helping the opposition would also kill her in a dem primary
I, for one, am shocked that an old person had a health issue when campaigning to be president. Surely, Bernie would have been immune to this if he kept campaigning into November.
Got a link to that? First I've heard of her lying about it.
This is all fine and good for you to say. But you said that Bernie was more in shape than all three of them combined. You know that's dumb, I know that's dumb. If you want to have a logical argument, stop using hyperbolic nonsense.
balladofwindfishes
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How is acknowledging FDR was successful partly due to being super racist count as a purity test? And that said policies wouldn't be as successful these days because white people don't like their tax money going to helping poor black people.
dynamitejim
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He lost by what, nearly 4 million votes? Would he really pick up millions of people who voted for Clinton in the primary?
Henchmen21
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Yes actually. Bernie has been around the country and including trips to UK & Ireland recently since the convention in last June.
As to the second part, she lied immediately afterwords and said it was the flu but then later came out with pneumonia
Baroquemantic
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No thanks. Give me that Joey B.
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