Yes she was
First post wins.
Yes she was
Seeing has how her Spartan program saved humanity, I would say yes. Saving the whole of humanity is a case where I would say the ends justify the means
Of course she is! Fucking Travis and her bullshit. Not only are the heads of ON I huge hyoocrites, but functionally retarded as well. Oh the aliens who helped save our race in addition to the MC? Instead of allying and having safety in numbers let's try and duck them over! Forget the fact that Infinity is the only ship cable of truly defending a Sangheili counter attack should we be found out and ultimately betray the arbiter who prevented our home world from being glassed by Rtas. Yeah and let's also arm a splinter faction who ultimately want to continue the war. Because there are hundreds of examples in human history where that goes well.
Are you Fucking kidding me?!
Just to play devil's advocate here, considering the covenant threat wasn't obvious during the start of the child abductions... couldn't they have just made the Spartan program an optional section of UNSC? Like new-age Marines? I think, even considering the extreme nature of the program, some ambitious soldiers would've still signed up for it. Especially if the propaganda was right.
The Spartan I, or as it was originally called, ORION program was this. It didn't work, the augmentations were not very good and it had other complications.
EDIT Spartan IV program is also volunteer program but then the kinks have been worked out from the augmentations and armor.
To answer you yes, because its cool.
Bigger question.
If the spartan program was reinstated, why in the hell did we even play as master cheif in halo 4? Why not some new ruff and tumble spartan who we got our own adventure, and talk to our own people. Maybe dialouge tree's or something go on space adventures. Even if cheif was there, the prospect of being me in the regular story mode is far more interesting.
So Spartan IV was essentially Halsey's idea without all the moral abominations?
Yes, but she should still be tried as a war criminal.
So Spartan IV was essentially Halsey's idea without all the moral abominations?
The Spartan I, or as it was originally called, ORION program was this. It didn't work, the augmentations were not very good and it had other complications.
EDIT Spartan IV program is also volunteer program but then the kinks have been worked out from the augmentations and armor.
Master Chief sells games. Original, much more interesting characters do not.
And the problem with the IVs is that even though they are less "controversial" they're still massively inferior to the IIs. Blue Team could probably do by themselves what would take the entire Spartan IV regiment assigned on Infinity.
I'm on to you, Hideo.Then put him in like 1 or 2 levels and just slowly move him to the side.
I can't believe how comprehensively 343 and Karen Traviss ruined Dr. Halsey. She was portrayed as a morally complex genius in Eric Nylund's books before they turned her into a sociopathic war criminal and had the balls to claim that their retcon was consistent with the original version of the character. Makes me so fucking sick.
I never got that sense out of Halo 4. Is there some other material or something that goes into this?
Sure, pretty much all the Halo books.
Halo 4's biggest issue, story-wise, is that it requires understanding the Halo expanded universe :/
Master Chief sells games. Original, much more interesting characters do not.
She had to think like a monster to defeat the monsters, even though the monsters weren't incredibly defined at the moment. So, the result of the action is justified, but the action is bad and should still be punished.. albeit.. not that harshly since it saved everyone.
Although her experiments would be JUST FINE if the people had been volunteered for the program and experiments. Kidnapping bad. Volunteerism good.
I'm on to you, Hideo.
More importantly -- do you guys think Master Chief is a virgin?
If you forget why the program was created in the first place... which had nothing do with saving humankind.
The project was created with several goals in mind. The first was to create a group of elite soldiers meant to subdue insurrections in their infancy, without substantial military casualties. The second goal was to minimize civilian casualties and avert civil war. The third goal was to substantially reduce the cost of conventional means of pacification.
The Spartan I, or as it was originally called, ORION program was this. It didn't work, the augmentations were not very good and it had other complications.
EDIT Spartan IV program is also volunteer program but then the kinks have been worked out from the augmentations and armor.
No, I mean about 343 screwing up the character. I've read Nylund's books.
Two theories; Pre-augmentation they were a bunch of teenagers living together. Augmentation included a modification to the thyroid which potentially suppressed any sex drive. So the answers are "maybe not" or "doesn't care".
Troll posts aside, I'm surprised that no one has considered that ONI is revealing all the nasty little details about the Spartan program to not only keep the heat off themselves, but to smear Halsey in the process of dumping all the ethical heat on her. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Admiral Parangosky have a personal vendetta agaisnt Halsey?
Anyway, on topic, usually I'm one for the end justifying the means, but the end in this case was not "stop the Covenant", it was "stop the rebels". So, the initial intention was not justified at all. However, it all looks like an act of sainthood next to the Spartan III program. Kidnap kids with the ultimate goal of throwing them at a problem till it goes away, regardless of casualty rate? Come on now.
All the more hilarious how Parangosky trying to have the moral high-ground.
Are the books really canon? I know this hasn't anything to do with the halo franchise, but every time I say that Starcraft has books as canon people say that Starcraft 1/2 is the only canon and not the books
well canon works differently depending on the IP and what the company saysAre the books really canon? I know this hasn't anything to do with the halo franchise, but every time I say that Starcraft has books as canon people say that Starcraft 1/2 is the only canon and not the books
Halo books are canon. Joseph Staten once said that everything is canon in the following order:Are the books really canon? I know this hasn't anything to do with the halo franchise, but every time I say that Starcraft has books as canon people say that Starcraft 1/2 is the only canon and not the books
She saved the human race, so yes.
The bottom line.
Karen Traviss/343 fucked up by attacking the same shit from a new angle. If they wanted readers to more easily accept the scrutiny of Halsey, they should have written more canon on the Spartan II program that is both interesting and morally questionable. That's what you build your attack on Halsey on. New shit.
You're not going to sway many fans to your cause after every book and game in the Halo universe prior to the Kilo Five trilogy is filled to the brim with awesome shit Spartans do.
The fucked up side of the Spartan II project and Halsey's actions are more capably shown in a single short story from Evolutions than in how ever many words Traviss put on paper.
Already (kinda) happened in Halo 2. It was not received wellThen put him in like 1 or 2 levels and just slowly move him to the side.
That subjectivity didn't come through for me, and I try to be a careful reader when it comes to series I really care about. Maybe the lack of contrasting perspectives is the reason. I will have to revisit the newer books to say for sure, but I don't remember any character expressing a positive or neutral view of Halsey's actions. The negativity was at such a high and sustained pitch that it looked as though the omniscient narrator, not just Halsey's rivals, was vilifying her.Maybe if the book series only contained one perspective, or was actually finished, you'd have a point. As it is it's simply a perspective and one that is deliberately provocative and controversial as a means to control an uncontrollable person. There is zero retcon. Other even less savory characters are trying to harm her legacy to boost their own careers. And they're doing it by illuminating her prior actions in an ugly way.
She stole kids and replaced them with dying clones.
Already (kinda) happened in Halo 2. It was not received well
That subjectivity didn't come through for me, and I try to be a careful reader when it comes to series I really care about. Maybe the lack of contrasting perspectives is the reason. I will have to revisit the newer books to say for sure, but I don't remember any character expressing a positive or neutral view of Halsey's actions. The negativity was at such a high and sustained pitch that it looked as though the omniscient narrator, not just Halsey's rivals, was vilifying her.
Then there's the whole Spartan Ops storyline which extended Halsey's gauntlet of abuse so that it seemed like the universe itself was punishing her for being an awful person, in the sense that her personal misfortune and the hostility of the company she was forced to keep were turned up to 11. (Granted, I saw the seeds of an interesting story in the finale.)
I want Halsey back, the Halsey I enjoyed so much in Nylund's books. I'd like to believe your crew have a more satisfying direction for her character arc in store, but Traviss and Halo 4 really knocked me for a loop, and the proof is always in the pudding. Still crossing my fingers though. Thanks for the response in any case.
Spartan 4's are weaker than the Spartan 2's. Spartan 2's are bigger, stronger, faster, smarter, braver than any generation of Spartans. They are the cream of the crop chosen as the best of the human race to be fighters.