Switch is an improvement over PS3 and he happily worked on that, and what he's working on for PS4 doesn't seem like it couldn't be done on Switch albeit at lower graphical settings. Ultimately what I'm saying is you're wrong.
Besides, $$$ > all
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Switch is an improvement over PS3 and he happily worked on that, and what he's working on for PS4 doesn't seem like it couldn't be done on Switch albeit at lower graphical settings. Ultimately what I'm saying is you're wrong.
Besides, $$$ > all
iceblade997
Member
Yes. It exists
As for still publishing games on Wii, Just Dance 2017 came out on it too. Seems to still be getting a trickle of stuff...
cartman414
Member
The first was kind of out of their hands. Had they stuck with the original Sony deal, Sony would have gotten the royalties and made a defacto 2nd party out of them.
Sony drinking Nintendo's milkshake Daniel Plainview style.
And heeeeeeeere we go again. 3rd party would mean no Pikmin, no Splatoon, no ARMS, etc.
See above. Sony getting software royalties instead of Nintendo.
Nope. Sony would have gobbled up Nintendo pretty much.
Man, you're really downplaying how good Wii Sports was.
That would be as fresh today as it was then, and what's in your pocket wouldn't matter a jot.
2Smashed4U
Banned
Holy shit lol. It's gonna be like one of those PS2 situations when games were still getting released in like 2012.
Man if a new Wii game comes out after the last Wii U game got published...
Nitty_Grimes
Made a crappy phPBB forum once ... once.
32 gig (or 25) of storage on wii u and switch.
Yes I know you can plug in hdds and mem cards but memory is dirt cheap these days, cheaper still if you bought it in bulk like in the millions for Nintendo.
Yes I know you can plug in hdds and mem cards but memory is dirt cheap these days, cheaper still if you bought it in bulk like in the millions for Nintendo.
Id ont think anyone can argue that Wii U was trying to build on what made the Wii great though. Wii's main goal was to simplify accessibility to games. Make the remote look familiar like a tv remote, make motion controls which are more intuitive and less complex looking than a controller with like 20 buttons that require specific dexterity, even the graphics being lesser than other consoles was a measure to make sure the cost was super low for a new console AND it came with a free game to get the ball rolling.
Along comes the Wii U, motion controls are sidelined but still sort of around, a big goofy looking tablet is introduced. It's not intuitive at all, far and away the opposite. Sudenly you have two screens to coordinate between at once (seriosuly how the hell is that supposed to target the same 'blue ocean' audience of the wii who just wanted something fun and easy to pick up and play). The Wii U in all of its years was never able to be dropped in price due to the costly technology of the Wii U gamepad, and it wasn't even really used in many games. So for all that it really just made the whole thing look complicated.
They used the name, sure, they 'kept' motion controls, I guess... but they in no way built on what made the Wii successful. They just got ADD and decided to do something else 'different', and that's like as far as that thought ever went.
It's really insane that the console ever game to be in the way that it did, it's a polar opposite of what came before.
R_thanatos
Member
Still can't believe NIntendo did that .
2Smashed4U
Banned
...yeah the Switch is an improvement over the PS3 *now* but not for their respective times. The guy kinda likes to push the boundaries technically of what consoles can do, he wouldn't opt to doing "lower graphical settings" voluntarily if he has options to do otherwise.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
I'm sure it will sell great. And if the point of the conversation is that they will reverse the broader decline of their console sales, maybe so. Just consolidating handheld and console into one category will probably crank up the heat.
But I don't think you'll see Wii/DS levels ever again. I do believe that was a one-off situation for a specific point in the market's history. If you ever want those numbers for Nintendo again, turn to Pokémon GO 2 on mobile. That's where the real masses of casual gamers are now. Some large portion of them will never buy a console again.
What he meant was Kojima appears to like working with the leading hardware capabilities of the time. Everyone does. Switch isn't that.
Fahzgoolin
Banned
Non-transferrable digital purchases unless you bugged their customer service.
It would be the equivalent of someone needing to call Valve to get access to their games if they signed into Steam on a new computer. What a joke.
It would be the equivalent of someone needing to call Valve to get access to their games if they signed into Steam on a new computer. What a joke.
terrdactycalsrock
Member
Allowing you to mail in a copy of some metroid game (I dont remember which one) because it had a rare bug that would delete your game
woah there buddy
It sucks that Nintendo didn't give Metroid the proper respect it deserves but don't lash it out on Luigi, it's not his fault.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
No way. You wouldn't get 100m device sales again from any single game.
Much of those 100m were driven by a complete lack of digital gaming options for casuals/family in the market at the time. That doesn't exist anymore and it will never exist again.
It's like trying to get an album to sell as much as Thriller. You could get everyone's attention at once in a previous decade, but now you simply can't. Too many other options for entertainment.
No one knows if we'll see Wii/DS numbers again, but the very fact we are even talking about it coming off the back of the Wii U says at least something is going right here ...
And frankly the exact numbers don't matter as long as the trajectory is right. A healthy Nintendo is good for the industry, and if they can do that by doing their own thing which brings something different rather than just capitulating to what everyone else is doing so much the better.
You're going to have to elaborate on how a focus on the second biggest character in their biggest franchise was a mistake.
They should be applauded. That's less undecaying waste in a landfill for each person that already has one.
For new technology, sure. It's wasteful otherwise.
2Smashed4U
Banned
Yeah I'm with you there. The ceiling for ALL video game sales at this point is much lower than it was in 2005-6, before smartphones put gaming in almost every person's pocket, needless to say mobile cannibalized a large portion of what was the Wii base.
Rodney McKay
Member
Apart from some of the more obvious ones people have said, some of the ones that bugged me the most were:
- Tiny Gamecube discs: I kinda liked them, but they unnecessarily limited games in some ways. I remember PS2/Xbox/GC comparisons and the Gamecube was usually better than the PS2 in some ways, but worse in others because they couldn't fit as much space on the disc.
- Gamecube C-Stick Nub: Such a dumb choice and made me never want to buy a (Non-Metroid) shooter for the system. Only one Z-button also seemed like a really poorly thought out decision.
- Initial 3DS price: Wow did they overcharge for the 3DS at launch. I was stupid enough to fall for it since I buy all Nintendo Handhelds and I thought the glasses-free 3D was pretty cool (still do!), but it was crazy to charge the same price as the Vita with no major games for it for months until the Ocarina of Time remake came out.
- Everything about the Wii U console: I know this ones been done to death already, but it was just such a bad decision all around. The name and look being too similar to the Wii, the long stretches without games, the Fisher-Price quality gamepad, the non-capacitive touch screen, the one-generation-behind system power, the short streaming distance, and the high price tag for its entire life. The only thing that saved it was the several great exclusives it had and the fact that Nintendo didn't have another console to fall back on if they had pulled the plug on it early.
Yoy do realize the streaming distance restriction is what allowed its incredibly low latency streaming, right? These aren't ideas, they're side effects of necessities.
Physically releasing Devil's Third.
I blame GAF for that one.
EDIT: Smartphone requirement for the Switch services and having a whole mess of unsynchronized accounts. I'll throw game freak under the bus as well as the number of different accounts I need is unacceptable to get a damn heavy ball.
I blame GAF for that one.
EDIT: Smartphone requirement for the Switch services and having a whole mess of unsynchronized accounts. I'll throw game freak under the bus as well as the number of different accounts I need is unacceptable to get a damn heavy ball.
Fun fact: there originally wasn't a z button at all until developers were like... uhh wtf nintendo. That's why it's in a place that makes no sense ergonomically for the controller, they just slapped it on. It's been a while since I've thought about it, but now that we have refined controllers with r and l bumpers along with triggers, it's fucking weird to hav ethat there.
Also, they were originally going ot have the big A button be analog, which was sort of why they made the face button placement circle around the big main button. Then they ditched it due to price I guess. Would have been cool.
R_thanatos
Member
NO they shouldn't. i bought a freaking New3ds and i couldn't use it properly
Where comes this idea that every new 3ds buyer must have bought the first 3ds first ? A vast majority of the buyers DIDN'T
Virtual Boy was bizarre.
2Smashed4U
Banned
Piggybacking off all the answers about the Virtual Boy:
Throwing Gunpei Yokoi under the bus as a result of the Virtual Boy, and by all accounts treating him like shit for the rest of his time with Nintendo after it.
Throwing Gunpei Yokoi under the bus as a result of the Virtual Boy, and by all accounts treating him like shit for the rest of his time with Nintendo after it.
shouamabane
Member
Virtual Boy is orders of magnitude worse.
Piggybacking off all the answers about the Virtual Boy:
Throwing Gunpei Yokoi under the bus as a result of the Virtual Boy, and by all accounts treating him like shit for the rest of his time with Nintendo after it.
Yeah, Nintendo's treatment of Yokoi outdoes the Virtual Boy.
cartman414
Member
Sony would have eaten into the royalties Nintendo valued, effectively making a 2nd party out of them. It already would have been Sony's system. Nintendo would have been neutered, and Sony would be no less in the position to go solo on their next system. Sony would have won either way.
Nintendo may have broken off in one of the worst possible ways, but they prevented Sony from stealing more of their money.
Dr. Feel Good
Banned
Doshin the Giant getting a PAL release always seemed odd to me.
Lack of Mother 3 localization.
Panasonic GameCube.
Purple being the default color for GameCube when they were getting pummeled as a children's brand after the PlayStation era.
Doubling down on GBA Connectivity is our way of addressing lack of online play.
Passing on publishing rights to Conker.
Pulling out of GoldenEye HD.
Going all in on Wii ___ brand. Paid off though!
Brain Training. Paid off as well!
Lack of backlight support on the original GBA.
Somehow trying to convince the public that a thumb strap was an equivalent to the PSP analog joystick.
Convincing SEGA to make GameCube platform of choice for Phantasy Star Online.
Lack of Mother 3 localization.
Panasonic GameCube.
Purple being the default color for GameCube when they were getting pummeled as a children's brand after the PlayStation era.
Doubling down on GBA Connectivity is our way of addressing lack of online play.
Passing on publishing rights to Conker.
Pulling out of GoldenEye HD.
Going all in on Wii ___ brand. Paid off though!
Brain Training. Paid off as well!
Lack of backlight support on the original GBA.
Somehow trying to convince the public that a thumb strap was an equivalent to the PSP analog joystick.
Convincing SEGA to make GameCube platform of choice for Phantasy Star Online.
Only if you ignore Japan, where both GameFreak and Nintendo are.
Multiplayer is still a personal phenomena in Japan.
I thought it was Sonic Team who pushed for that? Similar to the infamous Capcom 5.
And then Nintendo proceeded to ignore online completely, and make the broadband adaptor harder to get than the rarest of Pokemon.
Such a good game though, my #1 actually although I think BOTW has it beat.
Suburban Thug
Member
Wii U. Stupid name, laughable price, bad 3rd party support, long droughts between 1st party titles, cheap feeling fisher price controller, etc
Nothing else even comes close IMO
Nothing else even comes close IMO
cartman414
Member
You'd rather they go crazy on IAP gacha? (Pokemon Shuffle on mobile has higher price tags for all options, i. e. 3500 for a Great Ball that costs 2500 in the 3DS version).
If you look at this and think I'm making a stretch, I don't know what to tell you.
The Wii is an anomaly to a long term trend of decline that has persisted over decades.
I couldn't begin to predict the switch right now.
I imagine it will sell more than Wii U. But keep in mind that it's the heir to both Nintendo handhelds and consoles, so it inherently messes with a direct comparison to its console predecessors.
Will it sell more than Wii U + 3DS combined? Then we'd have a reversal of fortune.
Lies, damned lies, statistics.
There's actually no real difference between NES and SNES if you align it for length of the console generation. There's a slump with N64 and GC but then a rebound (and what a rebound) with Wii. Wii U is the outlier. Nintendo going to sell 200M Switch confirmed.
JershJopstin
Banned
There's an interesting bit on the Virtual Boy in the Iwata Asks interview on the 3DS. Miyamoto, apparently, was one of the original people who thought 3D goggles would be interesting... as a niche product (he specifically says he thought of it as a 'fun toy'). But when development actually began, he was busy with the Nintendo 64. He therefore didn't have any real input on the project, and Nintendo marketed it as a new handheld platform.
Doesn't really change its status as a failure, but it's interesting that they essentially took one of Miyamoto's ideas and ran with it without him.
Doesn't really change its status as a failure, but it's interesting that they essentially took one of Miyamoto's ideas and ran with it without him.
I'd be more interested in seeing a units sold by year chart, I imagine it would look much flatter than this chart.
Totally agree with this.
old manatee
Banned
Nintendo doesn't manufacturer enough toys for all of the kids, forcing them to meet scalpers on Craigslist.
Iriscomeback
Member
Not buying Rare. Massive mistake.
KefkaPalazzo
Member
Definitely their mishandling of the virtual console. Literally avoiding easy money.
31GhostsIV
Banned
Oh god... where to start...
The Gamecube Controller face button layout. Playing Street Fighter or Tony Hawks with that thing was incredibly uncomfortable compared to the Playstation, but GIMMICKS.
The stupid Gamecube mini disc gimmick.
The selling of Rare, who at that point had been responsible for killer exclusives in the Nintendo library - was it because they rivalled the first party output too much? Either way, Goldeneye was as much a part of the N64's success as Mario 64, so why they would throw that under a bus is anyone's guess.
The steadfast refusal to create a console with enough horsepower to run the latest third party triple A games convincingly.
Having the fucking nerve to sell a power adaptor as an extra instead of bundling one in the 3DS (or NES Classic over here) box. How anti consumer can you get? I bought my son a 3DS for Christmas well aware of this fact and I still had to hunt high and low to find the official adaptor in a store.
The Virtual Console and eShop. Not only the tendency to reset the content of the VC every console launch (why????) but tying games to consoles instead of accounts in 2017 is appalling. How many times should I pay for Mario 3?
Flooding the market with Animal Crossing Amiibos but neglecting to restock the ones people actually want.
Finally, only Nintendo could make me want a Switch with the mouth watering reveal trailer, then make every single drop of hype I had evaporate via one press conference a couple of months later.
The Gamecube Controller face button layout. Playing Street Fighter or Tony Hawks with that thing was incredibly uncomfortable compared to the Playstation, but GIMMICKS.
The stupid Gamecube mini disc gimmick.
The selling of Rare, who at that point had been responsible for killer exclusives in the Nintendo library - was it because they rivalled the first party output too much? Either way, Goldeneye was as much a part of the N64's success as Mario 64, so why they would throw that under a bus is anyone's guess.
The steadfast refusal to create a console with enough horsepower to run the latest third party triple A games convincingly.
Having the fucking nerve to sell a power adaptor as an extra instead of bundling one in the 3DS (or NES Classic over here) box. How anti consumer can you get? I bought my son a 3DS for Christmas well aware of this fact and I still had to hunt high and low to find the official adaptor in a store.
The Virtual Console and eShop. Not only the tendency to reset the content of the VC every console launch (why????) but tying games to consoles instead of accounts in 2017 is appalling. How many times should I pay for Mario 3?
Flooding the market with Animal Crossing Amiibos but neglecting to restock the ones people actually want.
Finally, only Nintendo could make me want a Switch with the mouth watering reveal trailer, then make every single drop of hype I had evaporate via one press conference a couple of months later.
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