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Why do gamers think it’s bad Gamepass is bad when major developers and some indie developers use Gamepass?

Do you have an issue with Xbox Gamepass (and other services)

  • Yes they should all die and go to hell

    Votes: 71 26.5%
  • No they should continue to coexist

    Votes: 197 73.5%

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Shelookdlvl18

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Really?! Sure, as if they did not have shooter franchises, one of the leading racing game series, etc... too (with a strong multiplayer component to boot).

I really like how you can simply dismiss tons and tons of games like that as if you were taking about a couple of games here and there :rolleyes:.

Again...


“Beside <insert a huge variety of different games and genres> what has Sony really given us? Not much”
Cry foul if you want, but he's got a point. It's not even a hard point to observe.

Third person single player cinematic games are Sony's bread and butter. Sure they've got GT Sport which was widely panned for not only it's change of focus, but it's lack of content. Its the only multiplayer focused game Sony has released in the better part of a decade.

If you don't care for those third person singleplayer games why would you prefer to mainly play on PS when...

The Order 1886
Uncharted 4
Infamous SS
TLOU
HZD
Detroit
GOW
GoT
Bloodborne
Death Stranding

^ are the big hitters for Sony over the last gen. Even Ole Jimmy himself admitted that their multiplayer offerings weren't up to par.

Sony absolutely knocks it out of the park on that specific genre of games. But to dismiss all that evidence so easily with a 🙄 and counter with GTSport is laughable at best.

There's nothing wrong with stating the obvious either. While those games listed might reside in a single genre, there's no shortage of people who love them. Sales of PS4 prove that easily.

If you want my honest opinion on it. Sony leadership made a simple decision that had unforeseen results. Many of Sony's studios used to be really competitive towards one another. Maybe even too much perhaps. Early last gen Sony decided that in an attempt to create more cohesion in development as a whole, that it's studios would from then on have open lines of communication with the other studios. They would be able brainstorm, troubleshoot, and bounce ideas off of each other. They would all have more open access to tools and methods. All in order to help streamline development and promote cohesion. Sounds logical, and I can't say I would've argued against it at the time.

The downside of however, was that as all those developers jumped in that big melting pot... Their ideas, habits, creations all began to have a similar flavor. Not all of them of course, but enough to the point where their alternatives weren't enough to offset it. That's my opinion anyway, and it's just an opinion. I wouldn't think it's really a hard issue to address either, and I'm certain that it's merely a matter of time before Sony adjusts course. They always do.

To dismiss the point outright though doesn't help the situation, or anyone who might address it.
 

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Posting to agree with most of the posters here. Nothing wrong with either. In the end, it's am option and some people like saving money. I happen to be one of them.
 

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The highest rated, best selling, titles made by Sony are 3rd person, single player, story driven games. Those titles are really the main reason why people gravitate to the platform. If you are not a fan of those titles there isn't a major compelling reason to play games there. Those games are good but Sony is a bit of a one trick pony. It is a great trick though no doubt but variety isn't their strong suit.
Variety is not their strong suit and proof is that the highest sellers are supposedly not mega varied (even that is not true by the way... 3rd person + story driven + single player is a bit of a meaningless definition as you could still capture very different games in it... and you still remove Gran Turismo as one of the big tent pole series for the PS platform) :rolleyes:. Sure, if you remove a huge amount of titles and

Astrobot + Astro’s Play Room, Killzone, Resistance, Gran Turismo, Dreams, DriveClub, Spider-man, The Last Guardian, Blood & Truth (VR, FPS), The Getaway, Heavy Rain/ Beyond / Detroit, Gravity Rush, Shadow of the Colossus, Demon’s Souls, etc... but sure “Beside <...> what has a Sony ever done for us?” :LOL:.

You like what MS offers? Great, lots of titles they co-authored or helped nurture or they outright created over the years and will create with the acquisitions they made, you do not get people to hold that in higher regards by making stuff up / being so dismissive.
 

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Cry foul if you want, but he's got a point. It's not even a hard point to observe.

Third person single player cinematic games are Sony's bread and butter. Sure they've got GT Sport which was widely panned for not only it's change of focus, but it's lack of content. Its the only multiplayer focused game Sony has released in the better part of a decade.

If you don't care for those third person singleplayer games why would you prefer to mainly play on PS when...

The Order 1886
Uncharted 4
Infamous SS
TLOU
HZD
Detroit
GOW
GoT
Bloodborne
Death Stranding

^ are the big hitters for Sony over the last gen. Even Ole Jimmy himself admitted that their multiplayer offerings weren't up to par.

Sony absolutely knocks it out of the park on that specific genre of games. But to dismiss all that evidence so easily with a 🙄 and counter with GTSport is laughable at best.

There's nothing wrong with stating the obvious either. While those games listed might reside in a single genre, there's no shortage of people who love them. Sales of PS4 prove that easily.

If you want my honest opinion on it. Sony leadership made a simple decision that had unforeseen results. Many of Sony's studios used to be really competitive towards one another. Maybe even too much perhaps. Early last gen Sony decided that in an attempt to create more cohesion in development as a whole, that it's studios would from then on have open lines of communication with the other studios. They would be able brainstorm, troubleshoot, and bounce ideas off of each other. They would all have more open access to tools and methods. All in order to help streamline development and promote cohesion. Sounds logical, and I can't say I would've argued against it at the time.

The downside of however, was that as all those developers jumped in that big melting pot... Their ideas, habits, creations all began to have a similar flavor. Not all of them of course, but enough to the point where their alternatives weren't enough to offset it. That's my opinion anyway, and it's just an opinion. I wouldn't think it's really a hard issue to address either, and I'm certain that it's merely a matter of time before Sony adjusts course. They always do.

To dismiss the point outright though doesn't help the situation, or anyone who might address it.

I struggle to see how samey the titles you quoted are and there are more you missed in that list: I think it is quite unfair to tell me that The Order 1886, The Last Guardian, Death Stranding, Demon Souls, and Horizon are essentially the same offerings or blend into each other as if they had that much more in common than the camera perspective and daring to have a story (kind of as tell me that Demon’s Souls or Bloodborne are cinematic walking simulators, I dare you ;)).

Not sure why Dreams was not in the equation, why PS3’s days very big push on world wide studios collaborations is ignored, and why suddenly melting pots do not produce highly creative rich individuals. It is as if the history of countries like Italy and the U.S. left no mark in the effect of melting pots. Still, I do agree that with lower budgets and a bit more competitions it generated good results too.
 
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Sony doesn’t need to discount ps now because, again, it’s not their focus. They attract customers by innovation and creating exclusive entertainment and they’ve done it consistently and often enough. MS needs to sell gamepass. They’ve pretty much come out and said that is their focus. Forget PC unless you can get a PC that can play all the gamepass games for $300? they made the series s to sell gamepass. They assumed people would be falling all over themselves to get into their service. It’s not gonna happen. Ps now is $9-$20 a month. Again, put it at $1 and 25 million subs happen within 12 months. The reason ms sold 15 million subs is because it’s $1 and you pretty much have to have it in order to get use out of your console. They’re starving for you to have it. Basically giving it away. It’s a great deal at $1 for people, especially casual gamers or people on a budget. And yet, it’s only at 15 million subs with a Trojan horse system that is hindering their most powerful system.

again,
This happened in this universe:
They tried to make a $300 console to sell gamepass and people still aren’t biting. They tried to lie about power and it didn’t work either. They’re trying to buy studios on a promise of games, still doesn’t work. They have an unadvertised discount on gamepass for $1. Still doesn’t work. It’s an all over the place approach. You’re supposed to approach all. If they’re such a huge company that doesn’t care about money enough to make zeni games multiplat, they should discount both systems to sell their gamepass with “first party “ access. They don’t. Another approach that doesn’t show confidence in their product.

Yeah, every bit of that is speculation.


Sony doesn't need to...
MS needs to...
This is WHY MS is doing this...
They assumed people would...
You pretty much have to...
They're starving...
They're basically giving it away...
They're trying to do this...
They're doing this to sell gamepass...
They tried to lie about this...
They tried to buy that to do this...

That's how literally all your points begin.
Not feeling obtuse enough, you decide to end your diatribe with stuff that begins with,

You're supposed to approach this....
They should discount that....

If you can't provide anything better than your imagination running wild as to pretend to know such subjective details, then I'm afraid you're sunk my friend. I've countered your claims with facts and statistics. That's aside from the fact that despite already being reminded that the topic is gamepass... You continue to veer off into tangents about the series s, it's pricepoint, power, whining about them not making Zeni games multiplat, etc... None of which is relevent to your obvious dislike for Gamepass.

You're trying to paint a picture that simply isn't there. Do better.
 

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Nope. The fact that you can buy any titles on the service is the opposite of what renting is. Again see Netflix if you are looking for a rental service. Just try and buy any of the movies they offer from them.
What an awful take. It’s not a rental with an option to buy. It’s not a subscription to be able to buy. You don’t need gamepass to be be able to buy these games. You always have the choice or option to buy these games. It’s a rental service.
I struggle to see how samey the titles you quoted are and there are more you missed in that list: I think it is quite unfair to tell me that The Order 1886, The Last Guardian, Death Stranding, Demon Souls, and Horizon are essentially the same offerings or blend into each other as if they had that much more in common than the camera perspective and daring to have a story (kind of as tell me that Demon’s Souls or Bloodborne are cinematic walking simulators, I dare you ;)).

Not sure why Dreams was not in the equation, why PS3’s days very big push on world wide studios collaborations is ignored, and why suddenly melting pots do not produce highly creative rich individuals. It is as if the history of countries like Italy and the U.S. left no mark in the effect of melting pots. Still, I do agree that with lower budgets and a bit more competitions it generated good results too.
not to mention still having access to all the third party options x does. He’s trying to level the playing field by poo pooing sonys first party to bolster game passes value because the real value of gamepass, besides the fact it’s just$1, is access to 3rd party which ms needs to stay relevant. Gamepass is their system seller. Here, right now today. It’s the reason to own a series s especially and it’s still not an in demand console and will be end up being discontinued and scrapped from the lineup. It’s not a coincidence it exists given the huge gap coming up for ms first party. Also not a coincidence it’s $1. As soon as the first party games come and more are on the horizon (2022-2023) bye bye series s, bye bye $1 gamepass.
 

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Probably some of you were not around when people announced how mobile game would affect us "true gamers" and now we have MTX everywhere, endless DLC/Season Passes.

A lot of people back then were saying "this is nonsense, we're safe".

Now gamepass/PSNow will drive a big portion of the industry to pursue the Game as a Service (even MORE than now) . Hope you guys like being played like a damn fiddle. :messenger_grinning_sweat:

 

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Oh boy. We can stop now. This is where you lose me.
If you can't provide anything better than your imagination running wild as to pretend to know such subjective details, then I'm afraid you're sunk my friend. I've countered your claims with facts and statistics. That's aside from the fact that despite already being reminded that the topic is gamepass... You continue to veer off into tangents about the series s, it's pricepoint, power, whining about them not making Zeni games multiplat, etc... None of which is relevent to your obvious dislike for Gamepass.

You're trying to paint a picture that simply isn't there. Do better.
It’s all there for you to see. You call it imagination. It’s interpretation. That’s how business works. That’s way earnings forecasts can be just as significant as actual earnings. And you really need to go back and comprehend because I was always keeping it about gamepass. Little brother brought ps now into the conversation because of little brother-itis. You’re really confused.
 

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I struggle to see how samey the titles you quoted are and there are more you missed in that list: I think it is quite unfair to tell me that The Order 1886, The Last Guardian, Death Stranding, Demon Souls, and Horizon are essentially the same offerings or blend into each other as if they had that much more in common than the camera perspective and daring to have a story (kind of as tell me that Demon’s Souls or Bloodborne are cinematic walking simulators, I dare you ;)).

Not sure why Dreams was not in the equation, why PS3’s days very big push on world wide studios collaborations is ignored, and why suddenly melting pots do not produce highly creative rich individuals. It is as if the history of countries like Italy and the U.S. left no mark in the effect of melting pots. Still, I do agree that with lower budgets and a bit more competitions it generated good results too.
Just because you struggle to see it, doesn't mean it fails to exist. It's not an opinion or an assumption to state that all of those titles are located firmly in a single genre. It's an objective fact. I didn't mention PS3's big push on world wide studios because I didn't think it overly important to do so. At least not anymore important than Sony selling off it's entire online division (SOE) along with the variety of titles along with it.

Melting pots in regards to countries and different studios within a company aren't really comparable. At least no more so than a melting pot used to melt cheese, butter, and frozen vegetables would be. Which just so happens to result in all of it tasting like cheesy vegetables, and the same. At least we can agree that competition isn't inherently bad though.
 
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Some people think it's "bad value" because they're the kinds of people who will revisit a game over and over again, but that's not what many others do.
If your kids play mostly Fortnite, CoD, or any game that is a time sinker (Minecraft, that thing where you look for the traitor on the spaceship)... It's worthless.

Also, renting is pretty expensive, if you spread the price over many years it actually cost more than buying games you choose to buy.

Obviously if you compare the price of one month spread across 200 games well it's an amazing price, but this is not how calculating the cost/ benefits of something works.

Also, the main competing service, that I am aware of, offers more games (better depending on your tastes)... if I had to take a service like this one it would be PSNow, at least the library has a decent size... and it has the Sony exclusives, even old Sony exclusives are better than "day-and-date" MS exclusives.
 

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If your kids play mostly Fortnite, CoD, or any game that is a time sinker (Minecraft, that thing where you look for the traitor on the spaceship)... It's worthless.

Also, renting is pretty expensive, if you spread the price over many years it actually cost more than buying games you choose to buy.

Obviously if you compare the price of one month spread across 200 games well it's an amazing price, but this is not how calculating the cost/ benefits of something works.

Also, the main competing service, that I am aware of, offers more games (better depending on your tastes)... if I had to take a service like this one it would be PSNow, at least the library has a decent size... and it has the Sony exclusives, even old Sony exclusives are better than "day-and-date" MS exclusives.
Yeah I gotta disagree that psnow is better. I have both - there’s a pretty big difference, I’ve played most all the games on it and I don’t really have a desire to replay them - not cus they’re bad just cus I don’t really replay games. I hope it becomes more like gamepass tho - there’s just a lot more recent games on it.
 
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Oh boy. We can stop now. This is where you lose me.

It’s all there for you to see. You call it imagination. It’s interpretation. That’s how business works. That’s way earnings forecasts can be just as significant as actual earnings. And you really need to go back and comprehend because I was always keeping it about gamepass. Little brother brought ps now into the conversation because of little brother-itis. You’re really confused.

I agree, we should stop now.

At least you admitted to interpretation. People interpret all sorts of things all sorts of ridiculous ways. No need for me to bother with the comprehension advise though. Simple facts and numbers aren't difficult to comprehend. Not when you're "interpreting" how many subs PSNow would sell if this imagined scenario were to happen, or "interpreting" why Gamepass has the number of subs it has (insert random conspiracy theory here).

Comprehending reality. Which boils down to 15 million vs 2 million is rather easy by comparison.
 

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I don't mind it, but it's not something I'd ever use.


Decent titles, but nowhere near the quality Sony's 1st party studios like Naughty Dog put out. Microsoft badly needs GOTY material, and I don't see it coming.
Xbox has the better racing games.
Xbox has by far the better shooters.
Xbox has by far the better WRPGs.
Sony has the better third person action games. But maybe one a year comes out.

Sorry, but Sony is behind the 8 ball with the pure amount and genres covered
 

FrankWza

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I agree, we should stop now.

At least you admitted to interpretation. People interpret all sorts of things all sorts of ridiculous ways. No need for me to bother with the comprehension advise though. Simple facts and numbers aren't difficult to comprehend. Not when you're "interpreting" how many subs PSNow would sell if this imagined scenario were to happen, or "interpreting" why Gamepass has the number of subs it has (insert random conspiracy theory here).

Comprehending reality. Which boils down to 15 million vs 2 million is rather easy by comparison.
Oh boy. Embarrassing. I was referring to your inability to comprehend.
Then you went full on see you next Tuesday. Congratulations. I suspected that.
 

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If your kids play mostly Fortnite, CoD, or any game that is a time sinker (Minecraft, that thing where you look for the traitor on the spaceship)... It's worthless.

Also, renting is pretty expensive, if you spread the price over many years it actually cost more than buying games you choose to buy.

Obviously if you compare the price of one month spread across 200 games well it's an amazing price, but this is not how calculating the cost/ benefits of something works.

Also, the main competing service, that I am aware of, offers more games (better depending on your tastes)... if I had to take a service like this one it would be PSNow, at least the library has a decent size... and it has the Sony exclusives, even old Sony exclusives are better than "day-and-date" MS exclusives.
I'd disagree with some of that.

I agree that the potential for value to be greatly diminished on games that are major time sinks is there, but I wouldn't go so far as to say worthless. Not sure Minecraft would be the best example, as it should always be available on Gamepass. Although if that's what you mostly played, then yeah... After a few months of the sub price, you'd be perpetually in the red.

Renting being more expensive over years vs buying is completely dependent on how many games you buy over that span. Gamepass being $10 a month. If you buy even 2 full price games a year, Gamepass is cheaper. Any games you buy beyond that second one makes the difference exponentially greater.

Calculating costs/benefits regardless of methods used...
1 year of Gamepass = $120
1 full price game = $70?
There's all sorts of ways to split hairs here regarding costs vs benefits. If you find 2 games a year that you deemed worthy of buying for full price, had Gamepass not existed... You're winning. Every single enjoyment beyond that is icing.

As to the main competing service? You stated that "depending on your tastes", and as such is a completely valid point. Despite what anyone says, there's nothing wrong with preferring what you like.
 
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Oh boy. Embarrassing. I was referring to your inability to comprehend.
Then you went full on see you next Tuesday. Congratulations. I suspected that.
Yeah, that accusation wasn't lost on me. No need to waste time congratulating me. Not with your "interpreting" skills needing such attention.
 

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Variety is not their strong suit and proof is that the highest sellers are supposedly not mega varied (even that is not true by the way... 3rd person + story driven + single player is a bit of a meaningless definition as you could still capture very different games in it... and you still remove Gran Turismo as one of the big tent pole series for the PS platform) :rolleyes:. Sure, if you remove a huge amount of titles and

Astrobot + Astro’s Play Room, Killzone, Resistance, Gran Turismo, Dreams, DriveClub, Spider-man, The Last Guardian, Blood & Truth (VR, FPS), The Getaway, Heavy Rain/ Beyond / Detroit, Gravity Rush, Shadow of the Colossus, Demon’s Souls, etc... but sure “Beside <...> what has a Sony ever done for us?” :LOL:.

You like what MS offers? Great, lots of titles they co-authored or helped nurture or they outright created over the years and will create with the acquisitions they made, you do not get people to hold that in higher regards by making stuff up / being so dismissive.
Why not include Battle Arena Toshinden, Jumping Flash, Wipeout, Wild Arms, and Beyond the Beyond if you are going to stretch to make it appear like Sony is producing a wide variety of game genres? We can just agree to disagree. I don't think Sony produces titles outside of their wheelhouse 'this decade'. You want to go back to the 90s I'll give it to you.

On topic this thread has done little to disprove my original point. The biggest detractors of Game pass don't own the Xbox and don't use the service. So comments from those people should be taken with the credibility those people deserve. Sour grapes from people who don't know what they are talking about.
 

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For me it’s just that 15 dollars a month to play a selection of choosen games isn’t that appealing when there’s something like GameFly that lets me Pick games I *am* actually interested in playing for the same price. Sure, you can download that selection of games but unlike what people say I SERIOUSLY doubt they’re playing these games all the way to finish and more than likely playing them a handful of hours and quitting until they find the one that sticks to say “Damn, Gamepass was worth it all along!”
 
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Calculating costs/benefits regardless of methods used...
1 year of Gamepass = $120
1 full price game = $70?
But what about 5 years later, if you throw in a couple of indies/games bought in sales, etc. I mean sure, if you compare it to only full price AAA games, but then again, even some people here said that they ended up buying games after they were rotated out of GamePass (using GamePass as a glorified "demo" service).

It's not like someone who has gamepass will have all their gaming needs covered by it (think about it, there is no random 200 games picked by someone else that will come close to fill my gaming needs). So let's say you have GamePass you may still end up buying those two full price games, the other games on it are bound to be older, you may be able to find these specific games on the cheap--or very cheap... Just the other day someone here told me they have had Destiny 2 on it, this game is FREE on Playstation (probably xbox too), and no, it does not come with the DLC on GamePass either.

There are very few games I end up buying at full price (notable exceptions are Naughty Dog and Santa Monica studio games), I would probably trust R* to release a game in playable state too... and Epic gives me games that I don't choose for free, I get to accumulate them over time as well, no 15$ a month service gets close to this.
 
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On topic this thread has done little to disprove my original point. The biggest detractors of Game pass don't own the Xbox and don't use the service. So comments from those people should be taken with the credibility those people deserve. Sour grapes from people who don't know what they are talking about.
Shouldn't it be the opposite? If the service was so great, more people would buy xboxes in part because of it, I'm fairly sure that if PlayStation owners though it made sense they would flock to PSNow (many did), and MS certainly wants to gain market share, not lose it.

Anyway, I get your arguments, but value compared to ownership is not a valid one... parents with kids could use it as a replacement to games rental, that's it, but an adult with defined tastes, spare money, limited gaming time... it makes little sense to limit yourself to such a limited library of games "curated" by someone else.
 

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Shouldn't it be the opposite? If the service was so great, more people would buy xboxes in part because of it, I'm fairly sure that if PlayStation owners though it made sense they would flock to PSNow (many did), and MS certainly wants to gain market share, not lose it.

Anyway, I get your arguments, but value compared to ownership is not a valid one... parents with kids could use it as a replacement to games rental, that's it, but an adult with defined tastes, spare money, limited gaming time... it makes little sense to limit yourself to such a limited library of games "curated" by someone else.
Well we can compare like services. Sony has PS Now and Xbox has Game pass. Which has more subscribers? That should tell you which service people think is the best.

With regard to ownership again there is NOTHING stopping you from buying game pass games. I don't know why people don't seem to understand that simple point. The other funny thing is I have an Xbox game I bought in 2003. I can put that game in my XSX and it works! The company trying to keep gamers from 'owning' their games still allows me to play games I bought over 10 years ago. I also have a copy of Twisted Metal Black. Can you guess what happened when I popped that title in my PS5 the home of game ownership? I bet you can. :)
 

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Of course that is your prerogative. I just disagree that is a rental service. No one said you or any one has to sign up only that it is the best value for games out there. There isn't a better option.
PS Plus Collection + Free games is a far better value IMHO. It's a smaller selection of games but of a higher caliber overall. I also got PS+ for $29/year. I bought 4 years worth.

I'd take that over Game Pass any day of the week. I don't really like indie games.
 
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PS Plus Collection + Free games is a far better value IMHO. It's a smaller selection of games but of a higher caliber overall. I also got PS+ for $29/year. I bought 4 years worth.

I'd take that over Game Pass any day of the week. I don't really like indie games.
And all it takes to get the PS Plus collection is the $400 - $500 purchase of a console most people can't buy right now. But I get what you're saying. PS Plus collection is an awesome perk for PS5 owners. I wonder how long Sony is going to offer it?

The majority of monthly "free" games with PS+ and Games with Gold royally suck in my opinion. It's so rare to get really good games any more.
 

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PS Plus Collection + Free games is a far better value IMHO. It's a smaller selection of games but of a higher caliber overall. I also got PS+ for $29/year. I bought 4 years worth.

I'd take that over Game Pass any day of the week. I don't really like indie games.
Fair enough. Some people prefer older titles to new ones. Different strokes for different folks. Game pass isn't for everyone it just has more success than other like services.
 

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Why do Playstation gamers think Gamepass is bad when PC and Xbox players, major developers, and some indie developers use Gamepass?​

No, I mentioned other services because in reality people who are the PlayStation side also hate the PlayStation Now.
 

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Mods please correct the title to
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Why do Playstation gamers think Gamepass is bad when PC and Xbox players, major developers, and some indie developers use Gamepass?​


If Gamepass is that great why it doesnt have a 100% market share over xbox users?

How many of currenty gamepass users got it bundled in those crazy 1$ promotions and will not renew their subs once it wears off?

Playstation gamers? Most of them dont give a sh*t.
 
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If Gamepass is that great why it doesnt have a 100% market share over xbox users?

How many of currenty gamepass users got it bundled in those crazy 1$ promotions and will not renew their subs once it wears off?

Playstation gamers? Most of them dont give a sh*t.
What sort of standard is this? If God of War is that great why didn't it sell 150 million copies? See how ridiculous that sounds?
 

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If Gamepass is that great why it doesnt have a 100% market share over xbox users?

How many of currenty gamepass users got it bundled in those crazy 1$ promotions and will not renew their subs once it wears off?

Playstation gamers? Most of them dont give a sh*t.
Everything isn't for everyone, but when your younger subscription service has surpassed the closest thing your competitor is offering by an over 7X userbase, it's hard to actually attack the market share of Gamepass... and so far I haven't heard of any massive userbase drop so they must be going the right direction with it.

Alternatively, why does a huge majority of PS 1P games sell less than 10% of its userbase if they are so good...

hint:
(everything isn't for everyone!)
 

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Well we can compare like services. Sony has PS Now and Xbox has Game pass. Which has more subscribers? That should tell you which service people think is the best.
No. It’s a testament to what you can sell for $1 and what a promise of next gen exclusives will do rather than available next gen exclusives and more confirmed next gen games.
 
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No. It’s a testament to what you can sell for $1 and what a promise of next gen exclusives will do rather than available next gen exclusives and more confirmed next gen games.
It's really no different from PSNow's 7-day free trial... which I'm guessing people tried and quit afterward, while people most likely kept paying after the one-month trial... the $1.00 logic doesn't make sense... they would not have 15million $1.00 subscribers, or better yet, they wouldn't jump from 5 million to 15million concurrent subscribers if all everyone did was try it for only one month. If that's the case something like Apple Music which offers up to 3 months free would have to have surpassed Spotify by now, and they haven't... stop using that $1.00 excuse its baseless
 
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It's really no different from PSNow's 7-day free trial... which I'm guessing people tried and quit afterward, while people most likely kept paying after the one-month trial... the $1.00 logic doesn't make sense... they would not have 15million $1.00 subscribers, or better yet, they wouldn't jump from 5 million to 15million concurrent subscribers if all everyone did was try it for only one month. If that's the case something like Apple Music which offers up to 3 months free would have to have surpassed Spotify by now, and they haven't... stop using that $1.00 excuse its baseless
It’s $1 a month for like 3 years. Base full?
 
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Jesus you’ve been in here arguing all day about this and you don’t even understand the basics of that “deal” people took advantage of.
I do. It’s been an “exploit” that has been active for 2 years and Microsoft just hasn’t gotten around to closing it. Because of course if they did, they’d still have 15 million subscribers;) they just haven’t gotten around to it because they’re busy.
 
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I do. It’s been an “exploit” that has been active for 2 years and Microsoft just hasn’t gotten around to closing it. Because of course if they did, they’d still have 15 million subscribers;) they just haven’t gotten around to it because they’re busy.
You really don’t. Saying it’s $1.00/per month for 3 years shows your ignorance about it.

Embarrassing.
 

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Uh....that includes the gold price homey.

my man was paying $15 a month like a sap and read this article and cried.
Dude...it’s $1
If you don’t pay the gold you don’t get the deal. You need to have your 3 years topped up before you convert, otherwise you only get whatever time is remaining on your current gold (or 1 month if you don’t have gold)

It’s not $1.00/month for 3 years it’s a one time $1.00 payment (if that promotion is on) that converts your current gold time into GPU the first time you upgrade from gold to GPU.

Therefore the price of gold should be taken into account since you don’t get the time if you haven’t bought it.
 

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If you don’t pay the gold you don’t get the deal. You need to have your 3 years topped up before you convert, otherwise you only get whatever time is remaining on your current gold (or 1 month if you don’t have gold)

It’s not $1.00/month for 3 years it’s a one time $1.00 payment (if that promotion is on) that converts your current gold time into GPU the first time you upgrade from gold to GPU.

Therefore the price of gold should be taken into account since you don’t get the time if you haven’t bought it.
Ok. So by that rationale, since you need gold to play online, if ps now was 5-$6 a month and included ps plus Sony would have 50 million subscribers ps now subscribers at any given time.
 

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Not hating it, but i do admit afraid of it.
Because with business in mind.
Gamepass does not seem profitable and sustainable.

It will be profitable for MS when they gain more subscribers and retaining them.

We do not know how they pay the developers.

Few things that will affect gaming.
1. Game made will be more GAAS and longer and larger yet empty

2. Short single player games will become less desirable to make.

3. Non-ending episodic games become trendy as hanging fruit to hold the subscriptions.

(Assuming longer playtime translate to larger pay)

As it stands now, it is a goddamn value to buy gamepass if you have the device to utilise it.

If people expect Sony to get all their first party “free” day one like gamepass, then it is impossible for the current price of gamepass.
 

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Ok. So by that rationale, since you need gold to play online, if ps now was 5-$6 a month and included ps plus Sony would have 50 million subscribers ps now subscribers at any given time.

Sony could easily offer a similar deal if they wanted to, but they don’t and I’m not in here discussing hypotheticals.

If they ever choose to we can discuss that at that time.

Until then let’s keep this conversation grounded in reality.

Also this thread appears to be about Gamepass not Ps Now.
 
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I really don't have an issue with any of the services..Either you subscribe to em or you don't. I've played some good stuff on pretty much all of them.
 

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Sony could easily offer a similar deal if they wanted to, but they don’t and I’m not in here discussing hypotheticals.

If they ever choose to we can discuss that at that time.

Until then let’s keep this conversation grounded in reality.

Also this thread appears to be about Gamepass not Ps Now.
Again, I never brought ps now into the conversation. It was brought up earlier and the first post of mine you quoted was in response to someone bringing up ps now 7 day trial. The reality is, it’s $1 a month for 3 years to access gamepass.
 
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Again, I never brought ps now into the conversation. It was brought up earlier and the first post of mine you quoted was in response to someone bringing up ps now 7 day trial. The reality is, it’s $1 a month for 3 years to access gamepass.

That’s not reality and I showed you how, there is no recurring 1.00 charge per month for 3 years nor does it break down to that. You just don’t get it though.

I’m going to drop this and you can continue fighting with everyone about something you obviously hate and don’t use.