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[AmMortal]

Recent Disney movies, sucked. As a matter of fact, ever since Shrek came into the picture, Disney and Dreamworks movies, conitinued to suck period.

Was it the soundtracks? Because IMO, the traditional ones had the best songs, in movies ever. Lion King, Aladdin etc. All very good soundtracks.

What the hell happened?



Anyway, here's my favourite two

The Lion King- Pimpin' celestial bodies after death.

Aladdin- A whole new world bitches.

edit: Ohly crap, where's he looking at ?? :lol :lol

 

[Suburban Cowboy]

cause you were a kid.

 

[Skittleguy]

Because making a movie used to mean something.

 

[AmMortal]

The next generation, that didn't grow up with these movies, will suck at life

 

[Tyrone Slothrop]

it's pretty ridiculous. i don't mind the new movies visual-wise, but the stories are just nowhere near as epic and imaginative as they used to be. but wall-e seems to be a move in the right direction, i guess

 

[No Means Nomad]

The next generation, that didn't grow up with these movies, will suck at life

Disney have made their way into every generation since the 50's, and will continue to as long as they keep rereleasing them.

 

[JayDubya]

Mermaid, B&B, Aladdin, Lion King I'll give you. After that it's all mixed bags until Emperor's New Groove, and then after that, lots and lots of fail (eh, Stitch was a'ight).

 

[NetMapel]

Believe me when I say I'll only allow my future child(ren) to watch classic Disney cartoons and none of these new fangled animations !

 

[SnakeXs]

Because then it was still art that made money, and not assembly line profiteering.

And not to take anything away from the artists there are, namely at Pixar, but even the best can't hold a candle to the whimsy and motion of great 2D. There's something about having each frame having the care of someone who's putting his heart into it that takes things one step above.

 

[JayDubya]

Daughter's watching Mulan atm. Her pick. One of my least favorites, to be sure. Anything's better than Pocahontas. Pocahontas deserved special mention there - Treasure Planet and Atlantis were Disney trying something much different and mostly falling flat.

Pocahontas was just flat out awful.

Hunchback had moments where it was as bad or worse, but then it had Tony Jay as Frollo singing about hellfire, so it gets bumped up a few bazillion points.

 

[sky]

The next generation, that didn't grow up with these movies, will suck at life

Disney will make sure every generation grows up with these movies!

 

[Blader]

It's okay as long as there is Pixar. They can be the Disney of the 21st century.

Or at least for this decade.

 

[NetMapel]

Daughter's watching Mulan atm. Her pick. One of my least favorites, to be sure. Anything's better than Pocahontas.

Ah ! Another disagreement I have with Jay :lol Mulan is one of my favourites Why do you hate good things so much ?

 

[Always-honest]

cause you were a kid.

this and formula

 

[Guybrush Threepwood]

Computer animation is a sign that the cartoonists didn't really care too much about their work.

 

[JayDubya]

Ah ! Another disagreement I have with Jay :lol Mulan is one of my favourites Why do you hate good things so much ?

My wife rather likes it too (which is why we owned it). Beats the hell out of me. :lol

But she also insisted I give Emperor's New Groove a chance, and it was indeed awesome.

 

[Jasoco]

Aladdin's always been my favorite.

Mainly because I envy him. Hoping one day I too will find my Princess Jasmine.

And I'm not sure where it is on my list, but I absolutely adore The Emperor's New Groove. But I hear that was done on a computer too.

 

[wenis]

I heard they mixed elvin and unicorn blood into the paints during production.

 

[perryfarrell]

Cause movies used to be made by artists who had visions, instead of by managers who do market research.

 

[NetMapel]

My wife rather likes it too (which is why we owned it). Beats the hell out of me. :lol

I hope your family assimilates you then :lol

 

[Hitokage]

 

[King Endymion]

Even though I'm not a fan of the movie itself, I think Snow White is one of the most beautiful movies ever made. But Aladdin is my favorite Disney movie ever, with Lion King being second.
If their next movie with the princess and the frog isn't great, Disney is forever dead.

Spoiler

Don't like Pixar at all. *ducks*

 

[Blablurn]

Compare Madagascar and Lion King. its a shame.

while Lion King was funny, dramatic and awesome at once, madagscar was a short, dumb film with cheap humor and stupid gags. Didnt laugh once.

:/

Looks like the newest 3d-technology farms dont let enough money to engage a descent story-writer.

 

[neptunes]

maybe because these movies required more attention to detail, with a much larger and more passionate staff?

 

[Guybrush Threepwood]

maybe because these movies required more attention to detail, with a much larger and more passionate staff?

Now we have computers to do all that dumb stuff!

 

[zaccheus]

movie industry is all about churning out whatever sells. no soul is put into films anymore.

and it has nothing to do with being kids, those movies were and still are great.

 

[mattiewheels]

what's he lookin at there, a porn site or a mail-order bride site?

 

[pnjtony]

cause you were a kid.

THIS!

Nostalgia plays a big part in the whole "it was better when I was a kid!"

Fucking duh!

 

[Jasoco]

Also, I love The Lion King 1/2. Just because I have always loved Timon and Puumba and enjoyed their alternate take on the original story.

Also, wow.. I just checked and Emperor's New Groove is an hour long with 18 minutes of credits... WTF?

 

[JayDubya]

Compare Madagascar and Lion King. its a shame.

while Lion King was funny, dramatic and awesome at once, madagscar was a short, dumb film with cheap humor and stupid gags. Didnt laugh once.

:/

Looks like the neweest 3d-- technology darms dont let enough money to engage a descent story-writer.

Madagascar was not Disney. Dreamworks Animation has made quite a few stinkers, actually, and don't forget that there were plenty of low-rent traditional animation productions made before the advent of the computer-animated film.

 

[Boober]

Beauty and the Beast was nominated for best picture. I doubt any animated movie will ever top it.

 

[Death_Born]

I think it has something to do with those incredibly catchy songs. Once you hear it, you can't unhear it. EVER.

 

[GoutPatrol]

Daughter's watching Mulan atm. Her pick. One of my least favorites, to be sure. Anything's better than Pocahontas. Pocahontas deserved special mention there - Treasure Planet and Atlantis were Disney trying something much different and mostly falling flat.

Pocahontas was just flat out awful.

Hunchback had moments where it was as bad or worse, but then it had Tony Jay as Frollo singing about hellfire, so it gets bumped up a few bazillion points.

Oh my god. I am in 100% agreement with you on almost everything (I haven't seen Treasure Planet and kind of want to but I doubt it is any good.) I remember seeing Pocahontas and being angered about how bad it was. And I was seven.

 

[WrathOfOtaibah]

A lot of it has to do with that there has been a lot of pressure to make more diverse cartoons.

Aladdin had anti-Arab lyrics and a scene where Aladdin's hand was going to get chopped off. Then you had Jasmine trying to seduce Jafar, objectifying women.

Lion King's hyenas were considered a slight against black people.

The Little Mermaid gave up her voice to be with a prince. Plus Ursula is supposedly a black woman. I never saw the film but I guess a lot of people are up in arms about how sexist and racist this movie is.

There are far less liabilities making CG cartoons about animals or cars than it is about these revived folk tales because of lawsuits, press towards diversity, and bad press. Disney films try to have that clean image around them and it is just easier to make more films about inanimate objects.

That was what I gathered in my Journalism class.

Personally I thought it was just the direction that resulted from Michael Eisner. He turned Disney around.

 

[Timedog]

A lot of it has to do with that there has been a lot of pressure to make more diverse cartoons.

Aladdin had anti-Arab lyrics and a scene where Aladdin's hand was going to get chopped off. Then you had Jasmine trying to seduce Jafar, objectifying women.

Lion King's hyenas were considered a slight against black people.

The Little Mermaid gave up her voice to be with a prince. Plus Ursula is supposedly a black woman. I never saw the film but I guess a lot of people are up in arms about how sexist and racist this movie is.

There are far less liabilities making CG cartoons about animals or cars than it is about these revived folk tales because of lawsuits, press towards diversity, and bad press. Disney films try to have that clean image around them and it is just easier to make more films about inanimate objects.

That was what I gathered in my Journalism class.

wtf?

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

What you all seem to be forgetting that that The Prince of Egypt kills every animated film mentioned in this thread and is the perfect blend of both forms of animation.

 

[JavaMava]

I think a small part of it may be that the older movies were based off classic stories often hundreds of years old. Cliche's work, that why we use em. Based off the odd commercial it seems a lot of the newer films are their own stories. Still cliched to hell, but missing that "I kinda know what this is about" feeling.

 

[sky]

I absolutely adore The Emperor's New Groove. But I hear that was done on a computer too.

The animation itself is still hand-drawn, the old fashioned way. That gets scanned in to a computer, and colored, etc.

I know for that recent goofy short, some of the animators drew it directly using a wacom.
So maybe paper will be completely out of the equation someday...

 

[JayDubya]

What you all seem to be forgetting that that The Prince of Egypt kills every animated film mentioned in this thread and is the perfect blend of both forms of animation.

Not really, no.

It was better than I expected, for sure.

But it pales to Mermaid, B&B, Aladdin, LK.

 

[Deleted member 22576]

Are there any quality shorts/films that use celshading?
I grew up on Disney movies like everyone else, but the process of making them nowadays just seems so antiquated.

 

[roosters93]

A lot of it has to do with that there has been a lot of pressure to make more diverse cartoons.

Aladdin had anti-Arab lyrics and a scene where Aladdin's hand was going to get chopped off. Then you had Jasmine trying to seduce Jafar, objectifying women.

Lion King's hyenas were considered a slight against black people.

The Little Mermaid gave up her voice to be with a prince. Plus Ursula is supposedly a black woman. I never saw the film but I guess a lot of people are up in arms about how sexist and racist this movie is.

There are far less liabilities making CG cartoons about animals or cars than it is about these revived folk tales because of lawsuits, press towards diversity, and bad press. Disney films try to have that clean image around them and it is just easier to make more films about inanimate objects.

That was what I gathered in my Journalism class.

Personally I thought it was just the direction that resulted from Michael Eisner. He turned Disney around.

Wtf. People read too far into things.
They're just kids movies which are awesome.

 

[sonycowboy]

I tell you what... Disney was fucking brilliant bringing out the "Princess" line with their franchising. My 3 1/2 year old is hooked. She's got princess books, toys, underwear, dolls, clothes, CD's, movies, you name it. She's even got a princess scooter.

Her top picks:

1) Cinderella
2) Sleeping Beauty - Hitting Blu-Ray next month
3) Little Mermaid
4) Aladdin
5) Snow White
6) Beauty and the Beast (would be higher, but the beast scares her a bit still)
7) Pocahontas
8) Mulan
9) Peter Pan (Because, even Tinkerbell is a "princess" now and is having a Blu-Ray title released soon as well)

 

[WrathOfOtaibah]

Wtf. People read too far into things.
They're just kids movies which are awesome.

Sorry but no. These Disney movies are continuing the patriarchal and white supremacist image of women and race onto little girls.

I agree with you that a 6-7 year old girl or boy will not read into those things but virtually every Disney movie is now considered to be ragingly sexist and racist.

 

[Boober]

If you just look at the animation its gotten alot worse since the 40s and 50s. I guess it used to be more of an art form.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8Ca_edg6RE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-6fYCMqSN4

 

[Askia47]

Sorry but no. These Disney movies are continuing the patriarchal and white supremacist image of women and race onto little girls.

I agree with you that a 6-7 year old girl or boy will not read into those things but virtually every Disney movie is now considered to be ragingly sexist and racist.

.....just wow. Nothing can ever be just what is on the surface.

 

[leroy hacker]

Am I the only one surprised to see this thread's praised "Disney traditional hand drawn movies" are all from the '90s and '80s?

(Apart from Boober's post)

 

[Witchfinder General]

Because technology is no substitute for quality art.

 

[deadbeef]

Wait, the Lion King is a "traditional" Disney movie? Hahaha

Am I the only one surprised to see this thread's praised "Disney traditional hand drawn movies" are all from the '90s and '80s?

(Apart from Boober's post)

I am equally surprised

 

[Miroku]

Fantasia

Spoiler

the movie, not the american idol

is godly.

 

[Anasui Kishibe]

Where's the Hercules love?

I think that's one really underrated flick. A potent satire about America and a very very funny movie overall. And the songs, man, the songs. Mulan is also another kind of overlooked gem

really love it. I also adore Aladdin, the Hunchback (INCREDIBLE music), Lion king, The emperor's new groove, Beauty and the beast, Mulan

why don't they make 'em anymore? Because Toy Story generated a incrediload of money, and they followed that path. FUCK Shrek and that Dreamworks bullshit, fucking hacks

Spoiler

I sorta liked Pocahontas as well..