Its amazing to me that I consider the prequels part of the good ol' star wars now, at least compared to shit shoved on us now.
Because that would have been awesome and respectful to the characters and the audience that those two dudes were childhood heroes to.Why do they bring Lando back now, why not in the first film so he can have a buddy mission with his mate Han.
TFA was a good, general sci-fi flick. As a SW property, utter flop.I couldn't care less about star wars anymore.
It will probably do a billion worldwide, but if it bombed that would be one hell of a news week.
Yes but that’s not being sincere. Marketing is always separate. Regardless it’s not bombing and who knows what Disney expects out of a mainline Star Wars. Rian still has his trilogy so I’d assume they were happy with TLJ’s profit.If you add in marketing and reshoots and production costs it can be between 300-400.
From TFA Wiki
With a production budget of $306 million,[2] plus $175 million for marketing, printing and advertising costs,
And as far bombing I am talking in relative terms. The movie will make money and have a big opening, but its Star Wars not Gemini Man we are talking about. Disney is not looking for 750 Mill or 1 Bill, they are expecting 1.5 billion or more. We are talking about bomb in relation to being a Star Wars film. If it under performs compared to TLJ there is no way Disney will be happy.
Yes but that’s not being sincere. Marketing is always separate. Regardless it’s not bombing and who knows what Disney expects out of a mainline Star Wars. Rian still has his trilogy so I’d assume they were happy with TLJ’s profit.
it’s not going to bomb. Period. And saying“bomb is relative” makes the conversation impossible because you’ll just move the goal posts to whatever you want to suit your agenda.
If you mean 1 Billion total thats a bomb for Star Wars. 1 billion WW + 500+ Domestic wouldn't be a bomb, but would be pretty much TLJ.
But ya 1 billion total BO is bomba for the final star wars movie in the 12 part series.
or you could be flexible and accept that words might have different definitions for different people. if you want to say "bomb" is only about financial success that is your right but don't act like it is the only definition. only thing making conversation impossible would be a refusal to accept other people might have different definitions for a word.it’s not going to bomb. Period. And saying“bomb is relative” makes the conversation impossible because you’ll just move the goal posts to whatever you want to suit your agenda.
The Last Jedi made less than a billion worldwide and domestically respectively, but still made a billion (1.3bn) collectively, which is fine IMO: https://www.boxofficemojo.com/release/rl2708702721/
It says the budget was $317bn, then the common rule of thumb is to double that for advertising (though I've never heard or read that from anyone who actually works at a high level of film production), and they still made a lot of money. I can't imagine Disney still thinks a Star Wars movie is ever going to make as much as The Force Awakens again.
rule of thumb is that blockbuster marketing caps at 200 million, but the other rule of thumb is that the number on Box Office Mojo should be halved to account for theater take and variations of it per each foreign market (which doesn't account for situations where eg takes are slanted/lopsided for domestic and frontloaded in the early weeks, so the studio gets more of the money)The Last Jedi made less than a billion worldwide and domestically respectively, but still made a billion (1.3bn) collectively, which is fine IMO: https://www.boxofficemojo.com/release/rl2708702721/
It says the budget was $317bn, then the common rule of thumb is to double that for advertising (though I've never heard or read that from anyone who actually works at a high level of film production), and they still made a lot of money. I can't imagine Disney still thinks a Star Wars movie is ever going to make as much as The Force Awakens again.
Yes but keep in mind that Disney does not get 100% of the BO money. Theaters get some too, and international takes is even less than domestic. My understanding is that opening weekend is something like 90% and then it falls more and more each week, averages to around 50% or so. Internationally its something like 35% or so.
So if SW makes 500 Dom, Disney gets probably around 250-300 Mill, and 500 WW, thats closer to 200 Mill, total take is probably about 500 Million, not 1 Billion. Just an example.
Also with Disney+ launching I can only imagine the $$$ that will be lost from BR sales and cable licensing. They may or may not make that up with Disney subs but that will be harder to tell. Whats better 20$ a BR or 5$ a month for streaming?
Disney paid what 4 billion to Lucas? They must of spent another 2 billion on all the SW movies + marketing costs. So 5 billi on the low end, 6 billion on the high end. Have they made 5 billion off all the movies? Keep in mind they don't get 100% of the BO take and Solo lost money for Disney.
Merchandising and theme parks are a different equation, as well as TV shows on Disney+ so in the long run they will make money from the IP, but if ROS doesn't have a big BO they may very well have lost money on the Lucas deal based on films alone.
TFA was a good, general sci-fi flick. As a SW property, utter flop.
This! So much!i don't know, i've been thinking about Luke again, and it's just really disheartening. not only was his character just shittily written, he was an asshole towards Rey, he bothsides-ed the Jedi, he ended his life taunting his nephew, just a complete and total bitter loser through to the end. i get what he was going for but it was all so forced, so cheap. the only way the last film works is if you follow a specific train of thought in Rian's round head.
Rian did such a shitty job writing his character. he is supposed to be "cut off from the force" yet is going around making proclamations of "what a true Jedi would do" and force exploding huts and stuff. he forgets how to understand his friend Chewbacca. he somehow ignores his sister's coma, a person he has been shown to have strong force sensitivity to, yet can pull off dumb, "impossible" parlor tricks (keep in mind he is cut off from the force!). he supposedly rejected the Jedi order yet decided to off himself on a significant planet for the Jedi, leaving behind a map, and he also guarded the "Sacred Jedi Text" (come up with an actual name next time, Rian) holy books for some reason, despite being bitter and over the Jedi. when Yoda tries to destroy the books, seconds before Luke does the same, he instantly decides the texts are worth saving, for some reason, cos Rian wanted Yoda to shame Luke as well.
it makes all the sense of someone excommunicated from Catholicisim deciding to live in the Vatican and keep watch over the Shroud of Turin and dress like the Pope until people show up to visit. which is it makes no sense at all. he tells Rey "I've only seen this power once before, it didn't scare me enough then" was he saying he should have killed Kylo? and he ends the movie saying thew same thing, "my nephew can go to hell" "i won't save your soul'" this isn't character development! Kylo is a bad egg and even his mom says he is gone "go ahead and kill my son" she might as well tell Luke. we supposed to root for this guy?
what a way to set up a saga finale. fuck Rian Johnson forever for destroying this series. gonna skip IX and any films i see after TLJ will be through pirated means.
And now he’s the first person to die from using the force! So he’s a cautionary tale! Even more pathetic.This! So much!
They fucked up Luke to the 100.
You already have your defense for this movie in your head and we are still a month awayI haven't read the script leaks and don't want to know what they are.
But when it comes to Star Wars, if you are upset about the script, it just means that they didn't do what you wanted them to do with the characters.
That doesn't make it a bad film.
You already have your defense for this movie in your head and we are still a month away
This movie is a giant mess.
My point is youve already decided this movie is good and you’re ready to defend it against the “haters”, (or whatever term the media decides to call anyone who dares criticizes a Disney Star Wars movie.)And you already have your defense for hating it and we are still a month away. Your point is?
This movie is a giant mess.
there is an article too
George Lucas Saving Star Wars; Test Screenings 'Disaster'
Disney CEO Bob Iger said to be p'd off.cosmicbook.news
well the first SW had a disasterous screening, but people didn't find out about that for decades. plus we have all seen the Phantom Menace documentary with "I may have gone too far". certainly with internal things like that they aren't going to come out and say it happened before the movie comes out. usually it is years before you find out.Hell the only time a Star Wars movie screening internally was a "disaster" was the pre-reshoots version of Rogue One.
well the first SW had a disasterous screening, but people didn't find out about that for decades. plus we have all seen the Phantom Menace documentary with "I may have gone too far". certainly with internal things like that they aren't going to come out and say it happened before the movie comes out. usually it is years before you find out.
Rogue One was a special case because they straight up fired two directors and KK had to give a reason for that. ROS has already been through two directors, much like that movie, and they kicked Trevorrow to the curb due to creative differences, so they've already used that excuse. time to go down guns blazing.
there is an article too
George Lucas Saving Star Wars; Test Screenings 'Disaster'
Disney CEO Bob Iger said to be p'd off.cosmicbook.news
This sounds like bullshit but I do hope that KK moves away from Star Wars and I also think it'd be cool to have Lucas back as an advisor in some capacity.
i literally thought it said comicbook news last night lol my bad.Of course it's bullshit. It's Cosmic Book News. One of the only sites to be universally banned on Reddit for spreading bullshit.
LOL after the nostaglia pull in TFA i said "I will never see another film with YET ANOTHER Death Star"No way it bombs with Palpatine seemingly coming back
Now that DF has come and bombed, the next big one is Star Wars. Will it suffer the same dark fate and be a bomba?
Lets put it in perspective though. Bomba for Star Wars is different.
TFA made 936 domestic and 2 Billion WW
TLJ made 620 DOM and 1.3 WW
For me a bomba would be in the 500 Million range DOM and 1 Billion WW.
Solo was a complete failure the last Star Wars movie making 200 DOM and 400 WW, compared to RO which made 530 DOM and 1 Bill WW.
We can see that the mainline franchise already lost 300 Mill DOM and 700 Mill WW, a big drop. The spin offs went from 1 Bill to 400.
The movie has been rumored to be in production hell with re shoots going on as close to as the last few weeks. The leaks make it sound stupider than even Dark Fate, and Rey is being set up as the ultimate Mary Sue ready to shit on all of our past heros, especially the MENZ to show us WAMANZ.
The one big factor here is JJ is not stupid enough to shit on his main consumers and call us a bunch of misogynist trolls who hate WAMANZ. All though OTOH Disney is very woke so there is still a chance in interviews/marketing that they can piss all over Star Wars bread and butter.
I think at this point SW needs to introduce time travel and send Chewwie, Rose Tico and the others back to 1944 germany to fight Hitler.
Mandalorian is solid fucking gold, if nothing else the Star Wars franchise has a pretty solid reputation for home runs.
(self edit, fuck that Solo movie)