vicissitudes
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Not necessarily, the hype will have receded a bit. Also, they might be seeing it for the first time next weekend instead of seeing it for the second time.
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Not necessarily, the hype will have receded a bit. Also, they might be seeing it for the first time next weekend instead of seeing it for the second time.
planar1280
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Every movie dropped 20% more than what it
Was estimated to drop, that's the aurora effect.
Was estimated to drop, that's the aurora effect.
planar1280
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Is that why avatar, titanic, tdk had such low drops, only one of them had a great wom
Thats a good point, I didn't think that it'd effect other movies, but the aurora shooting probably scared people off of movies in general, at least for that weekend.
vicissitudes
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TDK only had slightly better than normal drops. Titanic and Avatar had fantastic drops because they were original IPs (kinda) and had great word-of-mouth. TDKR is a sequel to a movie that everyone saw, it's going to be very frontloaded.
All three movies had great word-of-mouth, don't judge that based on what a few people on the internet are saying.
Wafflecakes
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Not having great Neogaf WOM =/= not great WOM.
I heard incredibly great things about all three before I went and saw then. (Note: Its only hipsters who actually disliked Avatar and Titanic)
Titanic and Avatar wouldn't have made so much money if they had bad WoM. Most people liked these movies a lot.
So you're saying a forum that goes out of their way to hate on hipsters may just be hipsters in their own right?
Whoa.
Wafflecakes
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I thought this was a well known fact.
See You Next Wednesday
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Titanic was flooded with repeat viewing of teenage girls going to see Leonardo DiCaprio. It was a more popular Twilight back then.
Avatar had a gimmick, a $20+ per ticket gimmick.
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Barack Lesnar
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Looking good for next weekend. I think we'll see a big number, over 80 mil for sure.
Wafflecakes
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lolololol....you seem really invested in downplaying Avatar and Titanic.
Gimmick? Which no other films nowadays have amirite? Pretty sure it would still be up there as one of the biggest (if not the biggest) films of all time gross wise even without 3D.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Obviously the 3D tax on Avatar accounted for it doubling the gross of Avengers' WW box office. 3D was also a huge draw card for movies leading up to Avatar.
Yup.
That makes perfect sense.
Yup.
That makes perfect sense.
So are we just completely re-writing history now or something? :lol :lol :lol
Avatar got to 2.7bil by having that 3D charge and years of inflation. Absolutely. Would have been a lot less without.
Avatar also sold tens of million more tickets than TDK, ROTK, and basically every other modern blockbuster since Titanic.
Know what great word of mouth is? Not having to convince someone to see a film.
Avatar also sold tens of million more tickets than TDK, ROTK, and basically every other modern blockbuster since Titanic.
Know what great word of mouth is? Not having to convince someone to see a film.
PhoncipleBone
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Avatar alone made more money worldwide than the entire Nolan Batman Trilogy combined. Even if TDKR does the same business as Avengers (it wont), Avatar will still be WAY ahead of the entire trilogy. Not even three Batman movies could topple Cameron.
Good Job Bob
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How could a movie gross 2.7b and not have great WoM? Did Cameron send ninjas to family's homes to force them to see the movie multiple times?
Sometimes great evil cannot be overtaken.
PhoncipleBone
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Exactly.
Of course, how can a movie like Avengers make $1.4 billion dollars and not have great word of mouth?
It's so crazy. I've yet to hear a single positive impression of Avatar from anyone not on the Internet. Of course the film has positive WoM... just apparently not from anyone I know.
And I know people that swear by Transformers 3 and The Amazing Spiderman.
Wafflecakes
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It hasn't opened in a lot of major markets yet, numbers will be much higher this week.
PhoncipleBone
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Ouch. Granted, it is having a staggered international release while Avengers had a huge rollout. Avengers opening international numbers were $185 million, but it opened in more markets. I can't find the breakdown of the markets for TDKR opening worldwide yet, so it will be interesting to see how it fared in all territories compared to other major films this year.
Wafflecakes
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Was it a worldwide release? I doubt it with those numbers. Probably staggered.
MrPink93485
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TDKR only opened in 19 markets, the major ones being South Korea, UK, and Australia, in which TDKR is running pretty close to the Avengers OW in each of those countries.
88 million is a very good number
MrPink93485
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So 17 international markets total.
88 million really is quite an excellent figure.
88 million really is quite an excellent figure.
Phoenician_Viking
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MrPink93485
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I meant international, so no U.S/Canada included.
Pretty sure USA and Canada are not international markets.
ThisWreckage
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It won't have good legs. I think the movie is going to have pretty negative word of mouth surrounding it. It doesn't help that the movie is bloated, overly long, and people have said that Bane is damn near unintelligible.
The internet and your opinion of the quality of the movie is not a good indication of WOM.
smokeymicpot
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Everyone I speak to in actual life love the movie. I am the only one that has a problem with it even then I still see it a shit load of times because it is awesome if you forget about some shit.
ThisWreckage
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What I said is objective. Maybe not the legs part, but the rest is a definitely.
MrPink93485
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Got an 'A' Cinemascore from audience polling. That's on par with BB and TDK.
I don't get where you are getting this negative word of mouth thing. Sure Metacritic, IMDB or RT are not the end all be all of how the public is reacting to the film, but looking at those sites in MT it has an 8.8 user rating, on IMDB it's currently sitting at 9.2 (this will drop for sure, but it's still good) and in RT the average user rating is at 4.5/5.
so really whats this negative word of mouth again?
PhoncipleBone
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Only one person I know has seen it and they loved it. Yet many other people I know have friends that saw it and they liked it and we're underwhelmed. Anecdotal evidence, but I still think this won't have the legs Dark Knight had. It will just have legs like any other blockbuster, but not horrible drop offs.
The internet!
MrPink93485
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It will have fine legs, but no, it won't be on TDK level. It is the third installment of a trilogy after all and they tend to have worse legs.
The only problem is that the shooting made this weekend difficult to gauge what's going to happen this weekend and subsequent weeks.
smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
This is sort of fucked up but Dark Knight had the whole Heath Ledger thing. My buddy from work who isn't a huge fan of Batman but is like what ever is seeing it tonight. He is my judge for most of this shit now.
Colonel Nasty
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We'll know soon enough on word of mouth on the holds the next couple of weekends. But I'm sure if there are large drops the "people are scared of theater" argument will be played. I personally thought the movie was only average and was the worst of the three but maybe after TDK there was no way it could live up to my expectations.
ThisWreckage
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I was personally disappointed with the film. I went with a group of friends and the opinions ranged from "It wasn't as good as the Dark Knight," to "It was all right,". So no gushing praise or ringing endorsements. This same group of people went and saw The Dark Knight multiple times. Again, this is all anecdotal, but I feel like these attitudes are more common than you guys think.
Oh ok, nevermind.
I went with a group of 8 people, 7 of those 8 loved it, the other guy thought it was good, but not great. My anecdotal evidence trumps yours!!!
And won a jillion Oscars.
I think it was liked by more than just teenage girls
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