wow this is new to me.
Thanks for the posting.
Edit: Can't the pill limit periods? Surely that's a plus for women.
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Would you as a male actually consider Vasalgel for birth control?
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wow this is new to me.
Thanks for the posting.
Edit: Can't the pill limit periods? Surely that's a plus for women.
FelixOrion
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Somewhat unknown yet, thus why they're going into clinical trials. From Wikipedia though:
[screeches into the thread like an f1 car to make a terrible post]
Astral/H3X
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Okay look, here's a run down on Vasalgel. There's some huge fucking crap getting said in this thread.
First off, why is Vasalgel even a thought? Because, to be quite honest, birth control pills suck. It's a constant expense, needs to be taken every day, fucks with hormones, and has a variety of other side effects. They suck. Lots of people just don't realize they suck because, even with all their faults, it's still relatively the best option.
Vasectomies are, more or less, permanent, and can be expensive.
So here's where vasalgel comes in -- you have a single injection that, by itself, as a one time thing, provides protection for 10 years. Also, it's completely non-hormonal, so it won't fuck with anything else. There's no side effects. There's no pain (outside of the initial injection, which you guys get fucking shots all the time. Suck it up). You still jizz. Only difference, is that a silicone solution in your tubes kills the sperm on their way out. OH. And did I mention that it is literally as easy to be reversed, as it is to be applied? One solution sets you up for care free inactive sperm for 10 years, and one other injection clears it all up, and a week later you can start pumping for babies.
So between permanent action, fucked up hormones, or a one time needle....
Why the fuck wouldn't you go for the needle?
EDIT: Correction, the "kills your sperm as it goes by" part is applicable to RISUG, which is an *extremely* similar process. Vaselgel actually allows the fluid to pass, but blocks the sperm from leaving. So while all the jizz flows, the "active" part of it stays behind.
First off, why is Vasalgel even a thought? Because, to be quite honest, birth control pills suck. It's a constant expense, needs to be taken every day, fucks with hormones, and has a variety of other side effects. They suck. Lots of people just don't realize they suck because, even with all their faults, it's still relatively the best option.
Vasectomies are, more or less, permanent, and can be expensive.
So here's where vasalgel comes in -- you have a single injection that, by itself, as a one time thing, provides protection for 10 years. Also, it's completely non-hormonal, so it won't fuck with anything else. There's no side effects. There's no pain (outside of the initial injection, which you guys get fucking shots all the time. Suck it up). You still jizz. Only difference, is that a silicone solution in your tubes kills the sperm on their way out. OH. And did I mention that it is literally as easy to be reversed, as it is to be applied? One solution sets you up for care free inactive sperm for 10 years, and one other injection clears it all up, and a week later you can start pumping for babies.
So between permanent action, fucked up hormones, or a one time needle....
Why the fuck wouldn't you go for the needle?
EDIT: Correction, the "kills your sperm as it goes by" part is applicable to RISUG, which is an *extremely* similar process. Vaselgel actually allows the fluid to pass, but blocks the sperm from leaving. So while all the jizz flows, the "active" part of it stays behind.
All you yes men in here warm my feminist heart!
Because messing with hormones can make the girl lose her sex drive or attraction to you, or get cranky and emotional and then you would lose your interest in her.
Awesome!
The rest of you should follow suit and be as awesome as Sesha
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Because messing with hormones can make the girl lose her sex drive or attraction to you, or get cranky and emotional and then you would lose your interest in her.
Awesome!
The rest of you should follow suit and be as awesome as Sesha
and me
You ejaculate, but the semen contains no sperm. I believe there's no noticeable difference: same texture, taste, etc.
Different people respond to the pill differently. For some, it makes periods better (more regular, less frequent, less painful). For others, it makes them worse. Hence some women take the pill even while not sexually active just for the side-effects, while others don't take the pill at all and use alternative contraception.
Turns out fucking with hormones can have extremely varied effects on a person.
FelixOrion
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dat user name-post content combo
Thanks!
RISUG (India) uses a different type of formula than Vasalgel (America) so it might not be an issue with Vasalgel. I'm not sure how different, but I know there is information on that somewhere out on the internet, also last I heard of their Baboon trial everything was fine. So I have my fingers crossed.
FelixOrion
Poet Centuriate
This. Like I said, I'm an actual needle phobe and this leaps and bounds the best option that we'll have.
Hell, apparently they're also making 'smart RISUG' with metals in the polymer, which allows them to be (among other things) removable without a second needle/operation. That's fantastic.
DonasaurusRex
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responsibility? forbidden under martian law!
CaviarMeths
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I was on board until I got to the part where goo is injected into my balls.
Thanks for posting this. There's a lot of bullshit going on here.
Birth control pills can wreak havoc on the body because they screw with hormones. So you could get things like mood swings and changes (or outright elimination) to libido. Yes, a pill that's supposed to make it easier to have sex without worrying about pregnancy can also kill your desire to have it in the first place. Not to mention the constant expense of having to take a pill every day. And if you're late for your dose by even an hour, you have to deal with things like headaches. Oh, and different pills work differently against different women so you have to go around trying different pills (which is a long process because birth control pills are weaned on and off over months) to find one that's good for you and has a set of side effects you're willing to live with. So it's not all fun and games.
Edit: Add headaches, weight gain, and nausea to the list of possible side effects of birth control pills.
JigglesBunny
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Thanks for that info.
I will never have a vasectomy in my life now.
FelixOrion
Poet Centuriate
http://money.usnews.com/money/blogs/alpha-consumer/2012/03/05/the-real-cost-of-birth-control
And considering roughly 30% of women of reproductive age in the US use the pill, that's a lot of money.
electricshake
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Luckily I'm in the UK so mine are free. I'd hate it even more if I had to pay for it!
Transistor
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Absofuckinglutely
Messofanego
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This definitely seems preferable to a vasectomy. I wouldn't mind it when the time comes during marriage when I don't want more kids.
hydrophilic attack
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With how little action I'm getting, I'll just stick to condoms
DJ_Lae
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Depending on how it's done you'd likely just have an aerosol anesthetic that feels like someone snapping your nuts with a rubber band. It's not that bad.
Worth it to be able to sow seed everywhere without worry of it sprouting.
Also causes depression in many women, sadly.
And what's a few bucks against something that will easing the economic situation, health and happiness of thousands of women, providing a powerful contraception, and making legions of men and even women happier through the lack of a need for condoms.
Yep. A girlfriend suffered massively during her period. Being on the pill eased that immensely. Even then she could get dizzy or even faint on intensive days, poor thing.
Clinical trials will probably determinate those kinds of effects. Honestly doubt it though.
H.Protagonist
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Yay! Time to step it up, gentlemen! We've been shouldering this stuff for years through any number of the delightfully shitty hormonal treatments to the painful (/occasionally perforatingly deadly) non-hormonal IUD treatments, so for there to be a potential safe, non-hormonal, reversible, and one time slight ouchie option for guys is great. Embrace it (and stop crying about a tiny moment of discomfort when you get all these awesome benefits)!
Nostremitus
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I'd rather get a vasectomy than inject a polymer into my vas.
Fuck that.
Fuck that.
I'd absolutely get this done, but I'm more excied about having the switches installed in the next few years...
Dr.Guru of Peru
played the long game
Again, how likely is this to be reversed? Because "much more likely than vasectomy" is not very reassuring, and from the language they're using they don't seem to be very optimistic.
Also, the scrotum has far more pain innervation than the cervix. If an IUD is painful, then this is going to be much more than just an "ouchy"
Also, the scrotum has far more pain innervation than the cervix. If an IUD is painful, then this is going to be much more than just an "ouchy"
Gentleman Jack
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What language are you talking about?
Lack of human trials notwithstanding, this seems fairly optimistic. But I'm guessing that reaching the stage where human clinical trials outside of India can commence is an enormous hurdle.
H.Protagonist
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As I said, it's a one time thing. Having an IUD can give you crippling pain for months or even kill you (same with the pill) if it punches through your uterus. There are also numerous other side effects that can make your life hell. So, yes, I have to roll my eyes at the one time 'ouchie' that this offers.
It's not a plug, the polymer construct is hollow. But it's properties are such that electrostatic forces rupture sperm cells as they pass through it. EDIT: Sorry I was thinking of RSUIG, the more metal version of this tech
This technology is cool as shit and I can't wait for it to be widely available.
Pain for pleasure is just masochism.
I'm on the low end of that with a mid priced brand, 50 sounds pretty unbelivable, it would be such a nightmare to part with so much money over such a basic need.
Nice! Here (Norway) only 16-20 year olds get a price reduction of about 11 euros (100 NKR) which makes the cheapest pills free for that age range.
Vasalgel really has the potential to be a whole lot cheaper, from this article about RISUG
I'm sure many families would be happy to remove the cost of the pill if they could choose a better option.
Dr.Guru of Peru
played the long game
As much as an IUD is a one time thing. Reminder that this injection is also a medical procedure that inserts a foreign substance - so all the standard risks (pain, bleeding, infection, and yes death, regardless of how unlikely) - do apply. We won't know how likely any of these are until they do actual studies.
Also, uterine perforation due to IUD insertions are rarely serious and exceedingly rare, and the chances of one killing you are astronomically low. I don't think one has ever even been reported.
Yikes.
Frankly, if it were me, I would've called her a bitch. But that's why I'm not married.
Tubes tied?
ShironRedshift
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Without a second thought, really. I mean, if all goes according to plan, I hope to be able to have a few kids someday, so something like this definitely seems more than fair considering all the pain I'm going to cause whatever woman's unlucky enough to wind up with me. xD But seriously, getting poked by a needle to deliver a local anesthetic, even to that region, is nothing compared to giving birth and if life goes the way I want it to I see myself getting a vasectomy eventually anyway, so yeah, I have no problem with this--it's really the least I could do and something I'd be more than happy to do, especially considering the alternatives. Definitely better than shit like the pill or relying on stupid stuff like the pull out method.
Seriously? If you can't understand the difference between something like this and tubal ligation and are actually putting them on the same level, then well...
Well hormones aren't taken by me so that's irrelevant. Your dichotomy of one time needle or permanent snip conveniently ignores condoms. They're by far the best option. Cheap (well free if you can be bothered), effective and not only contraceptive, but also prevent the transmission of STIs.
Also, one time needle...until you need to get it reversed, and something saying "probably" reversible, isn't exactly comforting to me.
legendaryskitch
Member
Well what is Vasalgel..."injected into the vas deferens"...NOPE
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