Maleficence
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That was when Nintendo didn't have good graphics.
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Would you be happy if "Next-Gen" games looked like this ?
- Thread starter AngelSoldier
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That was when Nintendo didn't have good graphics.
Wonko_C
Member
People said that Xbox 360 games looked like Xbox games at high resolution early in the generation. Pretty much the same thing is going to happen next-gen.
fuck graphics, I am happy at the quality of graphics right now. What I want is more open gameplay.
More physics, real time shadows, sound that affect gameplay more subtley. More objects in the world. I would be way happy with a game that is littered with items that can affect sneaking whilst making exploration more interesting instead of one that looks really nice but is more limited in scope of interactivity with the world.
More physics, real time shadows, sound that affect gameplay more subtley. More objects in the world. I would be way happy with a game that is littered with items that can affect sneaking whilst making exploration more interesting instead of one that looks really nice but is more limited in scope of interactivity with the world.
AndyMoogle
Member
Nope. We probably won't get any direct feed videos of Wii U games until E3.
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
Something like 720p with edge AA / no MSAA is a massive compromise on the PC but the home platforms are better equipped to deal with it. Otherwise you wouldn't see titles like U3 winning graphics awards. That game just wouldn't look good at all on a PC monitor.
Wonko_C
Member
This happens to me a lot too. All I remember from "great" looking games like BF3, Crysis 2 or GTA IV is stuttery framerates, object pop-up, LOD changes with the distance, ugly dithered shadows, low distance foliage, screen tearing, etc.
On contrast all I remember from RAGE was a smooth looking, extremely polished game, texture loading issues were very rare occurrences, (lucky me!) and they happened only at the far edges of the screen and were too small to notice.
If your shadows are going to look like shit then use static lighting, dial-back on the graphic stuff, I would rather have a pristine looking, no gfx glitches, 1080/60 game like Ridge Racer 7 next-gen. (I know it won't happen)
Metroid-Squadron
Banned
Yep, bad IK, jerky transitions and lack of momentum have been in the Uncharted franchise since day one.
ScepticMatt
Member
I don't get why people are impressed with the Zelda demo.
I'd take the first pic in the OP @ 1080p/60p though.
I'd take the first pic in the OP @ 1080p/60p though.
I don't get why people are impressed with the Zelda demo.
I'd take the first pic in the OP @ 1080p/60p though.
Because the lighting is incredible and only matched by a few other tech demos (Samaritan, CryEngine 3 GI demos).
Tarin02543
Member
as long as its framerate is 120hz with vsync on.
AndyMoogle
Member
weekend_warrior
Banned
How is the lighting anything special? It doesn't look any better then what you'd find in Killzone, Dark Souls, or Uncharted.
iamshadowlark
Banned
Im pretty sure thats by design because of the controllers they want to run but yeah you all are right, the animation is terrible.
FunkyPajamas
Member
Just look at the bats in this image. Now compare that to any of the bat enemies we've seen in games this gen.
Now I want to create a thread about bat enemies in games this gen.
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
Same reason why someone trapped on an island for half a decade would be impressed with a Big Mac.I don't get why people are impressed with the Zelda demo.
I'd take the first pic in the OP @ 1080p/60p though.
I haven't played enough of it, does it feature any bats?
Hcoregamer00
The 'H' stands for hentai.
I would be fine with current gen graphics if was standard 1080p and had anti-aliasing standard on everything.
I am very easy to please.
Having future graphics hit those GC renders would be even better.
I am very easy to please.
Having future graphics hit those GC renders would be even better.
It's honestly quite lacking in the next-gen Bats department. Crysis one was a solid wildlife effort though.
Of course it's not Nintendo quality, but then, nothing is.
AndyMoogle
Member
Those games use pre-baked lighting, so no, it's not like the Zelda tech demo.
The tech demo uses global illumination, which is the main reason it looks so good.
AndyMoogle
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ThatObviousUser
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Indeed.
We won't see real time graphics of that quality before 2030 at the very least.
Otherwise, 5 hours games would take 10 years to make, Pixar and every other CG movie studios would cancel their current plans and make interactive games instead of films.
Next gen will look like the best looking current gen games, only 1080p with more natural lighting, better textures and better animations. I would expect PS3 Ratchet & Clank cutscenes quality in real-time. Framerates will still suck and be all over the place, games will again be sub-(true)HD and art direction will still be lacking.
Truly, the epitome of gaming.
Is that the varmint from Gears of War?
AngelSoldier
Banned
Truly, the epitome of gaming.
Sarcasm ... Right ?
You would rather more of the same dull, grey and boring shooter crap we have this gen instead ?
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
I'm impressed by the Zelda demo primarily for what appears to be excellent global illumination and radiosity simulation. The lighting is nice, and that makes it stand out and look pretty good. It looks better in tiny gifs, like all games, as it hides all the image imperfections, all of which become obvious once blown up to 720p and seen with your own eyes (hello aliasing).
But that doesn't mean it's a godsend or unreachable by modern hardware, and it is, after all, a tech demo. I'll judge the Wii U's graphical processing once I start seeing the games.
And yes, I think a lot of love for the Zelda demo, regardless of how good it looks, comes from Nintendo only gamers who have had to put up with the Wii for all these years, and have missed out on the better looking stuff found elsewhere.
The one in the op? With the peeps playing cards?
But that doesn't mean it's a godsend or unreachable by modern hardware, and it is, after all, a tech demo. I'll judge the Wii U's graphical processing once I start seeing the games.
And yes, I think a lot of love for the Zelda demo, regardless of how good it looks, comes from Nintendo only gamers who have had to put up with the Wii for all these years, and have missed out on the better looking stuff found elsewhere.
The one in the op? With the peeps playing cards?
AndyMoogle
Member
I think he removed that pic, because the pic you're referring to is from a FF14 trailer.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
Ah okay. That one is the one I'm talking about. I thought it was a second TriAce demo. I know the other one though, the one running on modern systems.
AngelSoldier
Banned
Yeah, Sorry for any confusion. I removed the one Tri-Ace picture after I learned that it was miraculously rendered on the current gen consoles.
Freakin' Wizards they have at Tri-Ace. Wizards !
There's a tech demo that was shown on 360 that's pretty amazing, it's just this house and these rocks, I'll look for it.
EDIT: Found it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ned4N4fLF_I
The rocks are kind of lame, but the house is awesome.
EDIT: Found it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ned4N4fLF_I
The rocks are kind of lame, but the house is awesome.
Lazy Jones
Member
I'm not sure exactly which games you are referring to but if it includes Battlefield 3 then yes.
Fantastic global illumination for one.
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
Diminishing returns.
Yeah, I'm sure it's not nearly as nice in person due to what I suspect is substandard IQ, but even from a PC gamer's perspective, the lighting in that tech demo is outstanding.
Pachterballs
Banned
samaritan + 1080 + aa. minimum
weekend_warrior
Banned
Decent, but nothing spectacular, about the same as that crappy Zelda demo.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
Pretty much. Good lighting/shadow work does a tremendous amount for improving the look of a game. Nice global illumination, radiosity and SSAO are the kind of things that instantly boost visuals in a really noticeable way. Even if the Wii U isn't pushing the kind of texture IQ and geometry complexity of the next Xbox and PlayStation, solid lighting/shadows should help keep it a notch above the current generation.
That's what I like most about the Zelda Wii U demo. The assets are souped up Twilight Princess stuff, and I'm sure it was jaggy hell at 720p, but the real time global illumination and apparent radiosity simulation makes it look super clean and pretty.
I haven't seen a game environment look even close to that good on consoles, maybe I'm not paying attention though.
I'm always excited about hot new gfx but I'll never be 'satisfied' until true photorealism for an entire, working city, with the physics, animation, and AI to match. I see no reason in lowering any further than that as an end goal.
Pachterballs
Banned
it's not amazing. And its less amazing when they do the day to night demo transition. gets a big fat meh from me.
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