Big Baybee
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Seems like a bunch of nothing. Her support among blacks is greater than 90% lol.
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Young Blacks Voice Skepticism on Hillary Clinton, Worrying Democrats
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Sweeney Tom
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You're right. Because he already lost. He took an L. He is a Loser.
Palette Swap
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That's assuming a Bernie DNC would have given such a spot to Khizr and Ghazala Khan in the first place.
So these people don't see the difference between a candidate that has came out and said we need to reform our police departments
That we need to do something about college debt
That we need to keep improving Obama care
That has been fact checked and proven to be the most honest candidate this election
And a candidate that has bought news paper ads to help convict innocent black men
That has said we need tougher cops
Who has been accused of discrimination because he wouldn't rent his apartments to black people
And that has been fact checked and proven to be most dishonest candidate this election
But yet Hillary is the liar?
That we need to do something about college debt
That we need to keep improving Obama care
That has been fact checked and proven to be the most honest candidate this election
And a candidate that has bought news paper ads to help convict innocent black men
That has said we need tougher cops
Who has been accused of discrimination because he wouldn't rent his apartments to black people
And that has been fact checked and proven to be most dishonest candidate this election
But yet Hillary is the liar?
DontBeThatGuy
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Being skeptical is fine, it's the idea that there's no difference that gets me, or that there's not a bigger picture here, that can effect how things move forward, potentially for generations. You're not gonna get what you want by not participating, or voting for Trump of all people, or in the past, skipping mid-terms as so many young people do.
The Bernie responses are a perfect example of how tone deaf the Bernie supporters were to his faults. Part of the reason he lost is because he ignored the south and the minorities there. None of his plans addressed any issues that the AA community are going through. His campaign manager, upon calling the head of the NAACP in a southern state and asked why they should support Bernie, was told about the benefits of welfare. The head of the NAACP in his own state said he never had seen Bernie at all, and Vermont is the whitest state in the country.
There are many reasons why Bernie lost in the primaries. His lack of support from and for minorities is one of them. His turnout would have been undoubtedly poorer than Clinton among minorities, not to mention the Socialist elephant in the room that would have energized Republicans no matter who their candidate was.
It turns out having all your plans boil down to "Break the banks! Protest!" doesn't appeal to people whose children are being shot in the streets.
There are many reasons why Bernie lost in the primaries. His lack of support from and for minorities is one of them. His turnout would have been undoubtedly poorer than Clinton among minorities, not to mention the Socialist elephant in the room that would have energized Republicans no matter who their candidate was.
It turns out having all your plans boil down to "Break the banks! Protest!" doesn't appeal to people whose children are being shot in the streets.
That's fine. Let these voices be heard and let the Democrats earn a new generation of voters. "But the other guy is worse" is about as uninspiring as arguments get.
You guys get mad Trumpy when you're irritated.
You guys get mad Trumpy when you're irritated.
Bounceounce
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Also Hillary really isn't in danger of losing the black vote against Trump.
She'll get more than enough.
I just think this poses an interesting discussion.
She'll get more than enough.
I just think this poses an interesting discussion.
You Are Viewtiful
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He's talking about mid-terms.
Dubbedinenglish
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Trump's support is likely 0-2%, Hillary will probably get 95%. Don't really see how this is much of a problem.
Edit: I feel some people being disillusioned, but staying home only diminishes their voting power. Sweeping change isn't sexy, or quick.
Edit: I feel some people being disillusioned, but staying home only diminishes their voting power. Sweeping change isn't sexy, or quick.
AntraxSuicide
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Krugman wrote something on this recently. It's no different than Swift Boat or the attacks on Gore, except Hillary has been attacked for far longer in the same way. It amounts to repeatedly asking, "Are you guilty of X?" so much that people stop caring that the answer is always "No."
she has me and a lot of people i know. i was gonna vote for bernie but i was also the outlier
Pretty much. It is more Hillary has trouble with the younger demographic who a)don't vote as often as they should and b) would not vote republican so it is much ado about nothing.
As far as a Bernie blowout? I am screaming right now. Black support is a big reason he lost the primary IIRC.
lostsupper
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Voting Trump for comedy.
entremet
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Older black demographics don't vote in the midterms?
Shamrock7r
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He got that Rocky I moral victory
It's especially effective when you grew up during the attacks and knew no other version of the person other than the caricature.
Only Rocky actually got the shit beat out of him and almost won...
excelsiorlef
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No one is doubting she is going to dominate the black vote. The concern is what percentage of the black vote actually shows up to vote. It is a realistic concern.
The African-American voting population really gets shafted by everyone . Republicans for the most part have 0 interest in the African American voting block and actively work against it. The Democrats speak lots of platitudes but deliver rarely but even that is better than what the republicans have to offer.
It basically comes down to voting for keeping the status quo which sucks.
DontBeThatGuy
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Well, he's actually far worse, and infinitely less qualified, and would you like to actually discuss policy and ideas? Or the fact that low turn out means even less potential for fuck all to ever get down if the other side holds the majority of the power?
All polling during the primaries had him doing much better overall in the GE. Polling still has him crushing the GE. Even though older Black Democrats preferred Clinton over Bernie, there's little chance they would have stayed home or voted for Trump over Bernie in the GE.
Yet Trump is getting record low black votes. dude is not even getting 3/5ths of Romney's numbers
Bam Bam Baklava
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Why the hell are people still litigating the primary?
Bingo.
She's better than Trump, but let us not ignore there is a divide between the people in office and the people they should be representing. People have a right to see some inherent emptiness, here.
That said, a bit of emptiness does not make her anyway equal to the void of intelligence that is the Republican platform and the two mentally bereft people that are the alternative option on the table. The former is Wall Street, but the latter is a Wall?
If general election polling during that time frame were accurate we'd be coming off Mitt Romney's first term right now.
You. You're good you.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
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What I'm slowly learning based on threads like these and regarding the UK leader Jeremy corbyn, is that the youth of today have no sense of pragmatism. Everything is a purity test, all or nothing.
Melkezadek
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And that polling still means jack shit. Why do people continuing latching into this as if it means anything?
The most non-attacked candidate that was not the front runner and was losing handily and yet being supported indirectly by the opposing party was polling well?
Shamrock7r
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Lucas then?
You Are Viewtiful
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I don't think so. The 2010 and 2014 midterms were dominated by older whites,iirc.
Edit: wait, I thought you were talking about blacks born 1980 and later. Nvm. 1980 isn't old.
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That's among those who intend to vote. If black turnout dropped by 90%, but in equal proportions from Clinton and Trump, then polling would still show Clinton leading 90/10 among black voters, but the extent to which that would be useful would be greatly diminished.
Very few pollsters actually conduct likelihood-to-vote polls, because they're very difficult to do. That's why GOTV operations and focusing on voter enthusiasm are so important. Mostly, pollsters just assume that each demographic will turnout at approximately the same rate it did the last election. That's worrying for Clinton, because if it turns out that black turnout falls, that means all of the current polling is overestimating her.
entremet
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Well you've heard of the term "youthful idealism"? It's a cliche for a reason.
HomerSimpson-Man
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The large portion of the young voting block is so horrendous ignorance of specific differences and issues between the parties and what they represent, it's frightening. Basic buzzwords and the rhetoric "They are the same" is slogan of the voting ignorant and you end up with focusing on single issues which completely loses the forest for the trees.
I should know I was like that too a tee, god, I was such a idiot in my 20's.
PdotMichael
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Didn't Sanders get like 70% of the young voters?
Sweeney Tom
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People already forget the lesson of Romney leading polls and it looking even close
Blood Diamonds
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Hillary Clinton is a shit ass candidate and the Democrats would be trounced in November if the Republicans didn't nominate a literal clown.
I'll be voting for Hillary in November. Nuance. Stop blaming the weakness of your party on the people. It's pretty gross.
and still lost by 3 million votes
Youth doesn't vote as much regardless (having a school to go to/study for etc doesn't help). But I say good for 'the youth', in the subject of this case for actually paying attention to the more troubling issues of the Clintons and not just giving them a pass 'because Trump/scray republican candidate' because 'this is the most important election of our time', which if you've been around enough is something you see propped up every cycle to stifle critical thinking and descent within both parties.
DontBeThatGuy
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It's all about emotions and feelings, not the bigger picture, and what actually needs to be done to ever see the kind of progress many of us want going forward. You don't get there by playing footsie with disaster.
You've literally said nothing.
This is ultimately what it comes down to. CNN and the media at large want to make this race closer than what it is honestly. Trump is losing major swing states and most demographics. But the media gets more play out of a horse race narrative.
Politically engaged and yet not paying attention? I guess ignoring all the plans she has talked about but the national media has ignored is her just talking about Trump.
entremet
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I was talking about older black demographics.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
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Yeah but I don't think I've seen it in such force before. These are informed, politically active individuals who would rather not vote, or vote against their best interests, just because their only realistic options are not pure enough.
Don't get me wrong, this attitude has always existed, but it's strange seeing it come from such a well informed and active group.
I continue to be worried at the youths inability to grasp the complexity and mechanisms of how our political system works and the ease with which they put up false barriers that hinder their own causes, like making false equivelncies that promote inaction and undermine themselves.
...though I guess this is nothing new but it does seem to be more pronounced. Then again it may just be because of the Internet and advances in polling.
...though I guess this is nothing new but it does seem to be more pronounced. Then again it may just be because of the Internet and advances in polling.
And yet that literal clown trounced even the most "moderate" seeming GOP candidates. The only two GOP candidates that might have the race closer is either Rubio or Kasich and they couldn't even beat Trump.
The GOP is having an identity crisis right now and quite frankly they are betting on a Trump loss so they can dump that movement in their party. The race may be closer, but I'm not sure Clinton would lose.
entremet
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The data doesn't said they're voting for Trump. The data says a sampling of this very specific demographic--Blacks in their mid 30s and younger--aren't as enthused with Hillary as projected.
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