So this feminist NPC should be protected? Like, it shouldn't be killed like any other NPC in the game because it happens to be a feminist? Why not attack Rockstar for not making it invincible? They clearly give you the choice to do the same thing to is as all other NPCs.
People get offended by much less provocative things. So where do you draw the line?
But you advocate for censoring things on the bases of that possibly offending people.
I was protecting no one and I was not advocating protecting anything, in fact I was saying that childish displays of hate to offend people is worthless and needs no protection and it would be fine if Youtube said that they did not want to host such content.
No, it is completely fine that the characters can be killed even if they are feminists. I have an issue with the violence in Rockstar games, but th enon-discriminatory nature of it is not a problem. The issue are the videos, not the game. This Youtube person was specifically targeting feminists as an expression of hate, accompanied with matching headlines, in multiple videos. The sole value of such values is expression of hate and offending people. This has nothing to do with Rockstar, because Rockstar did not encourage such videos.
I have no idea what you want. I am not personally offended, but I think the person who made this is a dumbass. Due to the pretty obvious motivation behind these videos, I would be supportive of their removal, but if Youtube does not want to remove them, then that's fine as well. I just find it pretty laughable that people want to protect such hateful garbage that is absolutely devoid of value. As I explained above, this is absolutely not the same thing as being supportive of removing all offensive content.
How is this hateful content? These are fucking NPC. They have no rights.
And how sad is it, that it needs to be said.
If you look at his channel you will see that this feminist NPC video series is only a tiny part of his RDR2 videos. He is doing tons of other killings and torturing with similar click-baity titles. Why focus only on the feminist NPC though? Given the rest of his videos you are simply asking to protect this particular NPC in some way. You are asking him to either not make these videos or treat them differently compare to his others, like being more subtle about it, not use provocative titles, etc. That's special treatment.
I Have a Video with more of 50 Corpse of Federals in the floor of a Medical Clinic.
Thats not bad too?
I do not know the other videos; I've only seen the feminist ones linked here on NeoGAF and since I cannot stand Rockstar games and much found his videos beond stupid, I felt not desire to look further into that dumbasses video stream. If he does the same to other groups it does not make it better and my valuation of such is not different.
Hateful content is not limited to violence. Yes, violence is bad, but you can express hate differently. If I draw Jesus and mutilate him in different ways, put turds on him, do the same to Mohammed and Moses, I am not hurting real people (though at least it's the images of two people who have existed at some point, so there's that) either, but I am pretty sure it counts as an expression of hate. Similarly, these videos are an expression of hate, without displaying violence against actual people.
I'm glad you've appointed yourself as the arbiter of what people should and shouldn't find funny so that you can decide what to censor. Very noble of you.
You can find content disgusting even though it shows tings that are not real. If this is truly unfathomable to you, let me give an example I'd strongly suspect the majority to understand: Imagine (or better don't) a video depicting computer animated children be raped.Its not real?
But this game is supposed to be violent. People are supposed to have fun killing NPCs in it. The protagonists are outlaws even, you are a bad guy doing bad things. Like killing a feminist, that sounds bad. Again, why focus on this particular NPC but not others? You can clearly see this whole situation was about not offending SJWs and feminists. That's all there is to it. Well, there was nothing wrong with killing this NPC, he treated it equally. But feminists don't want equality, they want special treatment and you seem to advocate the same thing.
Laws have deemed such content illegal. When murdering NPCs becomes illegal then no feminist NPC or ANY OTHER should be killed. But asking for only women or feminist NPCs to not be allowed to be killed is special treatment.
Barbara Streisand made a movie called The Prince of Tides which featured a brutal child rape scene. Should she be banned from making films?
Nah, that was a real child actor. He seems to have an issue with computer animated children in particular.
Due to your lack of imagination I was not sure if anything else could even be understandable to you. Display of targeted violence against specific groups (based on digital depiction) are completely out of scope for you to understand as potentially disgusting to some and my religion example also did not work, so what example was I supposed to use?
Disgusting and illegal are non-redundant terms.
Stop deliberately mispresenting what I said. Being able to kill that NPC: Fine. These videos, specifically targeting a group of NPCs representing a currently existing group of people for their belonging to the group: Not OK.
You are trolling and if you continue to do this, do not expect me to take you seriously.
I do not know the movie and do not want to judge content I do not know. It is fine to make a movie that has child rape as a topic. It is not fine (to say the least) to make content that glorifies child rape.
But i just explained it to you. The guy doing these videos did not target this NPC specifically because he did a whole lot of other videos doing similar things to other NPCs. Think of it like a series of murdering various NPCs in the game. Someone just gathered these particular videos on one post and that makes it look like it's a targeted thing, which is not the case.
As I already said: Doing the same thing for other groups does not make it any better and the headlines make it clear we are talking about a person specifically targeting, in this series of videos, feminists.
I understand why you chose this example, because you're going for the most distasteful thing you can think of, but to me, that's all such an animation is - distasteful.
Well, the headlines were wrong.
Yoshi, you wouldn't have the same level of outrage if you'd be killing klansmen or i don't know - farmers.
With some caveats, yes. I mean, police officers have a very specific role in GTA, so I do not want to be so definitive on that, it depends on the videos. If they are basically the same as the feminist one here, then yes, same thing for me.
I actually don't. But the issue here goes beyond the matter of whether a game like GTA or RDR is tasteful or not. And I have explained numerous times where the difference lies.
And this is where it gets slippery.
OK thanks for clarifying. I assume you are pro censorship in general then?
Seriously, are you guys even reading what I am saying? Cops are a difficult matter due to their elevated role in terms of the gameplay mechanics. But in principle, other societal groups are the same thing.
Killing an NPC and killing specifically NPCs who are in a certain societal group because of their belonging to said societal group is NOT the same thing and I am amazed that appears to be such a difficult concept to understand. I mean, you do not need to agree on my stance, but to again and again and again bring up such a clearly flawed analogy, even though I have explained several times why it is not instrumental is beyond annoying.
Lol pro censorship in general, what kind of question is this? I am not pro censorship in general, but I think it is justified that a content platform sets rules that are stricter than the legal limits wrt their content. And Youtube does this with other stuff as well. Try to post your home made porn there. Completely legal, no one needs to watch it and there probably are people who will like that content. You will lose your posting privileges though.
What is and what is not offending is extremely subjective. That's why censorship is a terrible idea in general.
Obviously there weren't any rules against this specific situation that warranted his ban. The fact that he is now unbanned and Youtube admitted it was a mistake further proves this. This ban only happened because of SJWs being offended specifically because this NPC happened to be a feminist. Someone listened to them and he pulled the trigger. If it was banned because there is a rule against violence and every single channel that depicts violence in similar fashion, on NPCs that depict every other group of people, was banned we would not have this discussion.
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If you continue to treat me this dishonestly I will not answer to anything you write ever again. You asked whether I am in favour of censorhsip in general and I elaborated what my general position on censorship is- independent of this specific situation. You asked about it, so I can expect that you understand the scope of my answer. So what the hell? Why do you continue to deliberately misrepresent what I said? I specifically, in that post, outlined what I consider censorship (legal limits on speech), which very obviously does not include rulesets for social media platforms set by the social media platform. Since I am not even in favour of (in that sense) censoring the videos in question - they should not be illegal - your question is, frankly, insulting, because you continue treating me like an idiot while I try to answer your questions as precisely as I can.
