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ZOMG FAMITSU DELIVERS THE TRUTH OF JESUS!
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Cacophanus
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Frame Gride?!? The dashing is almost entirely analogue in that game. In that you can change direction mid-dash as you want, which is a lot more like Armored Core really than Virtual On.
It's definitely not ZOE though as the melee and ranged combat is linked with a much more rigid boosting system. Virtual On is also much more rigid than ACE, as that has fixed length vectored dashes. Admittedly, in Oratan you had Watari and curved dashes but they are FAR more restrictive than what you have in ACE.
ACE uses a very clever and quite subtle system that utilises both an analogue movement setup and a moderately rigid dash that affects the ballistic properties of your weapons. So whilst you travel faster whilst boosting your weapon tracking is reigned in - so you have to get a good firing solution relative to your movement in order for the shots to connect.
That said, Orguss for the win!
It's definitely not ZOE though as the melee and ranged combat is linked with a much more rigid boosting system. Virtual On is also much more rigid than ACE, as that has fixed length vectored dashes. Admittedly, in Oratan you had Watari and curved dashes but they are FAR more restrictive than what you have in ACE.
ACE uses a very clever and quite subtle system that utilises both an analogue movement setup and a moderately rigid dash that affects the ballistic properties of your weapons. So whilst you travel faster whilst boosting your weapon tracking is reigned in - so you have to get a good firing solution relative to your movement in order for the shots to connect.
That said, Orguss for the win!
Cacophanus said:
The controls in Frame Gride are certainly more similar to Armored Core (not surprising), but I mean the actual game design. Armored Core is relatively grounded in specifically a more military style real robot design. The weapons, stages, and enemies all reflect that. Frame Gride had a more anime/fantasy bent to the entire game design, both in the mechs and in the weapons. It's something which ACE has certainly adopted, especially in later installments.
Cacophanus
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Baki said:
No, as all the games featured licensed mecha from various anime shows and movies. It's the same reason the Super Robot Wars (bar the OG stuff) has never left Japan. The rights issues are hugely complex!
The ACE games are almost entirely bloody marvellous though and well worth importing anyway. Here are some videos from the three games released thus far:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGrIEJkGi5M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUtnWx9kOxQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFn7144AO-I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rzhwekvfCE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFY24-JMGwE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sz9dAV8M8qA
duckroll said:
That's more an aesthetic leaning though, on account of the host series used (as in Dunbine, Rean, Gainer etc.), not a functional concession. I really wouldn't call that "game design", as you're talking more about the art style surely?
Cacophanus said:
It's not really just art. There's a clearly functional aspect of the mechs based on their design and their weapons. For one thing, there's way more melee combat compared to AC, and there is also a very conscious decision to make the action aspects more arcade-like compared to AC, especially in giving various mechs defining special attacks and unique gimmicks. Layzer's V-MAX mode is a good example. You'll never find something like that in an AC game.
Cacophanus
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duckroll said:
Well, V-MAX is basically embedded into the newer AC games, notably that of AC4 and ACFA (on account of the new Primal Armor and Assault Armor - it was lifted from Layzner).
I would say that Frame Gride is definitely more arcade focused though and the melee has a few more functional aids - though visual not functional (as in ACE you can orbit a locked on player, whereas in Frame Gride you have to track them manually - which is again more like Armored Core).
I really wouldn't say that Frame Gride has any real linkage to ACE though, it's more much of a fantasy skinned version of Armored Core. As you say, that's hardly surprising as the same team went on to make Armored Core 2 up to Silent Line.
SpacePirate Ridley
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Can someone explain me why there is not still Gurren Lagann in a game like AC or the Robot Taisen's?
Because that would make me buy a game, even if its in Japanese.
Because that would make me buy a game, even if its in Japanese.
Cacophanus
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SpacePirate Ridley said:
It was co-produced with Konami (hence why the Gurren Lagann DS was published by them).
Banpresto is a subsidiary of Bandai Namco, so SRW and ACE are effectively competing brands.
Still could happend one day though, as Virtual On was a SEGA license and that made it into SRW.
Cacophanus
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xero273 said:
Depends on the season and technically the 2nd season mecha are actually hybrids, not supers.
Anyway, Shin Getter was featured in ACE3 (not to mention King Gainer) so they've already dealt with supers and hybrids - though they did have to nerf them slightly to be fair.
distantmantra
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ACE is reason enough to get hyped. Your loss, duders.
Famitsu comes out on Thursday in Japan, right? So buying this for the train ride to Kamakura.
Famitsu comes out on Thursday in Japan, right? So buying this for the train ride to Kamakura.
Preliminary translations from /m/ relating to the recent Terada blog...
- http://blog.spalog.jp/?eid=832291
OK...for that small of a roster, I'm REALLY hoping that the gameplay is truly something beyond what we got in the past games. And it seems that this will likely be precursor to inevitably more games.
Hmmm...
Some quick translations:
-"Huh? Didn't you say 3 was the FINAL game" Honestly, back then even I (Terada) thought "Why are we putting THE FINAL on this?" Well I guess you could say it's the final PS2 game, sorry.lol )
-Char's counterattack will only have the Nu Gundam
-Macross Frontier is the TV version.
-No more series than the ones already announced.
-Only 1-3 playable units from each series. Eg. for GSD: Destiny, Strike Freedom, and Infinite Justice, for CGR2: Lancelot Conquista, Shinkirou, and Guren Kashoushiki.
-Their working from scratch (since it's now PS3) so it's hard making so many units. They'd rather concentrate on graphics and action.
-No vocal BGMs (except for the original song), there are still instrumentals.
-Next post he'll talk about the story.
- http://blog.spalog.jp/?eid=832291
OK...for that small of a roster, I'm REALLY hoping that the gameplay is truly something beyond what we got in the past games. And it seems that this will likely be precursor to inevitably more games.
Hmmm...
Way to destroy the hype for the game in a single day. No vocal songs? GTFO. That alone makes me almost bail on the game. That's just a question of money and they are too cheap to pony up the cash despite the high sales of the series. Total crap.
No Sazabi? Again, ugh.
No more series? Ok, I guess since it's a new engine and a fresh start you gotta cut back on content...I'm ok with that. About the same series as ACE1.
1-3 units per series? So like 20 units total? ....uhhhhhhhh
The game better play like Jesus on skates or this is going to be a HUGE step back and piss fans off.
No Sazabi? Again, ugh.
No more series? Ok, I guess since it's a new engine and a fresh start you gotta cut back on content...I'm ok with that. About the same series as ACE1.
1-3 units per series? So like 20 units total? ....uhhhhhhhh
The game better play like Jesus on skates or this is going to be a HUGE step back and piss fans off.
Not sure what you mean there... I was under the impression Banpresto does ACE's scripts and scenarios, and help out with mecha designs. Sure Banpresto doesn't have good 3D talents, but they are really good with mecha designs.Cacophanus said:
(EDIT: The man Terada himself blogs about it!)
My memory's vague, but I was certain Banpresto's logo pops up somewhere in an ACE game, credits or the official web site.
Plus their release dates have never clashed. There's always a good healthy interval between ACE and SRW(home console) releases.
Lineup guesses:
Orgus - main guy & girl's unit? Trying to remember the units
Zeta - Probably MK-II, Zeta Gundam, Hyakushiki
CCA - Nu
Crossbone - Crossbone version 1 & 2, eyepatch guy's unit? Been a while since I read Crossbone.
SEED-D - Destiny, Freedom, Justice
Overman - Overman, wacky girl
FMP - probably like 1 unit with 3 variations
Geass - Lancelot, Shinkuro, Guren
Aquarion - Probably just Aquarion in all 6 forms
Macross Zero - Main guy and other dude's ships
Macross Frontier - dunno, didn't watch
So maybe around 25, or 30 if you count all the Aquarion variations? I hope at least there will be 10+ unique boss units from each series to fight against (and probably be playable in ACE-R2)
Orgus - main guy & girl's unit? Trying to remember the units
Zeta - Probably MK-II, Zeta Gundam, Hyakushiki
CCA - Nu
Crossbone - Crossbone version 1 & 2, eyepatch guy's unit? Been a while since I read Crossbone.
SEED-D - Destiny, Freedom, Justice
Overman - Overman, wacky girl
FMP - probably like 1 unit with 3 variations
Geass - Lancelot, Shinkuro, Guren
Aquarion - Probably just Aquarion in all 6 forms
Macross Zero - Main guy and other dude's ships
Macross Frontier - dunno, didn't watch
So maybe around 25, or 30 if you count all the Aquarion variations? I hope at least there will be 10+ unique boss units from each series to fight against (and probably be playable in ACE-R2)
Okay now I'm pissed.
I mean I was down on the Series choices but I figured it would be the full list so that doesn't really get me to bad.
No vocals though? That is freaking dumb heck they rereleased 2 with a vocal addition because they knew that was what fans wanted.
And only 3 untis per series? Only Nu Gundam from CCA? Dumb as hell. Where the hell is Sazabi? Why am I stuck with Destiny, SF and IJ again? If you are going to force me to play through the shitty remake of Zeta Gundam at least give me the decent characters from the show like Mwu.
Well I am definitly disappointed but I will still pick it up, if for no other reason then to hope that they actually do another one and hopefully it will be more along the lines of something I can really enjoy.
I mean I was down on the Series choices but I figured it would be the full list so that doesn't really get me to bad.
No vocals though? That is freaking dumb heck they rereleased 2 with a vocal addition because they knew that was what fans wanted.
And only 3 untis per series? Only Nu Gundam from CCA? Dumb as hell. Where the hell is Sazabi? Why am I stuck with Destiny, SF and IJ again? If you are going to force me to play through the shitty remake of Zeta Gundam at least give me the decent characters from the show like Mwu.
Well I am definitly disappointed but I will still pick it up, if for no other reason then to hope that they actually do another one and hopefully it will be more along the lines of something I can really enjoy.
Let's not get carried away. Where $ is concerned, in my real life, I never apply the expression "that's just".Bebpo said:
Well, his blog does mention "except for the original character's mecha".
I'm indifferent here since I find a fair number of vocals to be unbearably ugly. But I'm sure this is a great feature for anime fans.
I'm also indifferent here as having many numbers also end up having many units that play nearly identical with only a different coat of paint. No SRW strategic variety. But again I think this is something anime fans will like.
Actually I'm hoping that we can give the usual UC staples a rest for at least one console generation. As in everything "pre-Unicorn Gundam". What is this fascination CCA? Is this something the fans want, or just a developers' favorite?
The game certainly sounds like it's running on a much lower budget than before. But even then, if you think about the series they picked I wouldn't really care about missing vocal songs from MacF, Geass, or SEED-D. :lol
I really hope the gameplay and action makes up for it. From Software has been really good with the ACE series imo, so there's definitely good reason to hope they'll deliver. Hopefully they'll come up with some good originals and announce them, that's something they should not have an excuse for, since they're not licensed units. Terada himself sounds kinda defeated honestly, and it seems like Bandai isn't giving him as much budget for the SRW games anymore either.
I really hope the gameplay and action makes up for it. From Software has been really good with the ACE series imo, so there's definitely good reason to hope they'll deliver. Hopefully they'll come up with some good originals and announce them, that's something they should not have an excuse for, since they're not licensed units. Terada himself sounds kinda defeated honestly, and it seems like Bandai isn't giving him as much budget for the SRW games anymore either.
And don't get me wrong. I'd be ok with no Zeta, CCA, SEED. It does get boring playing as the same units over and over in all the mecha games.
Would rather have more series that haven't had as much game exposure like X, Turn A, F91, OO, First Gundam, Unicorn in terms of Gundam.
I'm guessing no cool original designer like the Persona guy this time either. Probably too expensive ;_;
Would rather have more series that haven't had as much game exposure like X, Turn A, F91, OO, First Gundam, Unicorn in terms of Gundam.
I'm guessing no cool original designer like the Persona guy this time either. Probably too expensive ;_;
I'm guessing CCA has no point in the plot since it's at F91/Crossbone timeline UC. But they just threw Nu in so they could have Amuro somewhere in the game.
Doesn't really explain why Zeta is in. I don't think Zeta really needs to be in this game after being in ACE already and Gundam Musou and SRW Z. Way too much exposure lately.
Doesn't really explain why Zeta is in. I don't think Zeta really needs to be in this game after being in ACE already and Gundam Musou and SRW Z. Way too much exposure lately.
rollingstart
Banned
Gurren Lagann was what I want and didn't get
duckroll said:
According to what I've been reading over at SRW Genesis, it may not even be (all of) the original From staff from before. It may just be mainly Terada's peeps and a few From staffers helping out.
Again, can't agree enough: gameplay and graphics really need to deliver, or else this game will be yet another victim of the "HD Jump/Splat", where the successor can't hope to match up to its PS2 era predecessor...
;TreIII said:According to what I've been reading over at SRW Genesis, it may not even be (all of) the original From staff from before. It may just be mainly Terada's peeps and a few From staffers helping out.
Again, can't agree enough: gameplay and graphics really need to deliver, or else this game will be yet another victim of the "HD Jump/Splat", where the successor can't hope to match up to its PS2 era predecessor...
What evidence is there that this isn't really being developed by From Software?
Terada has posted an update on the SRW blog about ACE-R. He clarifies some of the points he previously made. He said that when he says each series has about 1-3 playable units, he is only counting the base unit. So for units with various variations, different equipment load outs and upgrades, etc, it still only counts as 1 unit. He also says that Ranka and Sheryl's song will be included in the game, so it's not true that there are no vocal songs at all.
Well if Duckroll's theory is right then I am happy we are getting it at all. I love ACE and SRW so hearing that Tereda isn't getting inside support really blows and makes me fear for future games.
SRW Z was such a great step up, at least in animation that I almost hope they don't move to the PS3 and just stick to the PS2 if they are indeed having problems from with in. The engine is great and I happy with that and would hate to see them cut back just because they went HD.
I would hate to see SRW Z be the best the series ever gets just because I want to see them expand even further.
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And My PS3 is NTSC so I can't play JPN Ps2 games on it so it sucks for me but no HD SRWZ.
SRW Z was such a great step up, at least in animation that I almost hope they don't move to the PS3 and just stick to the PS2 if they are indeed having problems from with in. The engine is great and I happy with that and would hate to see them cut back just because they went HD.
I would hate to see SRW Z be the best the series ever gets just because I want to see them expand even further.
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And My PS3 is NTSC so I can't play JPN Ps2 games on it so it sucks for me but no HD SRWZ.
MidnightScott
Banned
bttb said:
Yay we get Mario Galaxy 2 first ^^
hteng said:
uhhhhh
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...wat?
I played through Z on my PS3 in BC. I also played some on my PS2. The image quality was almost identical except you get some scanlines in BC because it's a 480i game being forced into 480p. The sprites are certainly not HD.
But I agree I'd be fine with a PS3 SRW using sprite quality of Z. They still look great even if they're SD.
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