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Polygon: MS needs to admit the XB1 Kinect is a peripheral, not a pack-in. [Opinion]
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you dont have to worry, it's only a concern if you're say, for example, constantly intellectually dishonest
I mostly agree... MS hasn't been able to show consumers why they should spend the extra $100 and Sony has done a good job of showing extra value and being cheaper.
But I do know people who purchased an XB1 just for the fitness app and I've heard people say "Xbox record that" irl when making an amazing basketball shot or other real life feats.
meaning MS is not out of the game... They just need a couple more titanfall esque games and something that consumers will rally around the Kinect for... Like the next 1 vs 100.
Crimson_Fate
Member
Look what Sony did with the Eye. They didn't push it on anyone but released the playroom demo which sold buttloads..
Then that had working Game streaming which allowed you to use the camera and again they sold Buttloads.
Give the people what they want and they will stand in line buy your peripheral.
MS's idea to Force a the Kinect in hopes of developer support was just ass backwards.
Then that had working Game streaming which allowed you to use the camera and again they sold Buttloads.
Give the people what they want and they will stand in line buy your peripheral.
MS's idea to Force a the Kinect in hopes of developer support was just ass backwards.
This would make a fantastic terrible commercial.
SwiftDeath
Member
Pretty sure people talk PS1 versus Saturn as PS1 was cheaper and more powerful
I think Gamecube versus PS2 also works but might be more time between those consoles releases
José Mourinho
cocknose
I've become a voice command junky and at this point I wouldn't be without the voice navigation. Perhaps they could of packed in a cheaper mic only piece of kit instead, I don't know. To add, I've had a few funny moments on Skype video with friends before games, and the Kinect stuff I played -- Sports Rivals Pre Season -- worked really well in my opinion. Not that I'll be buying the full game.
Would I have bought it if it were separate? Probably not, but having had the use of it for a while now I'm glad I have it.
Would I have bought it if it were separate? Probably not, but having had the use of it for a while now I'm glad I have it.
Cheers.
Louis Cyphre
Banned
They spent so much time trying to re-explain how the system works after the controversy that they had little chance to bring the focus as to why it's worth $100 more. It's also taken months just to bring features the XBox 360 had. It didn't help matters that Kinect Sports was delayed too.
I still want to try the system out but no stores in my area have one set-up. They have Wii U and the PS4 though to try. Sounds like a system that you really need to try first.
Karsticles
Member
Even then, the demo stations don't show you much. I tried one at Best Buy and they only let me play a game. No voice features were activated.
0ptimusPayne
Member
The fact that Crytek ditched the Motion Controls in Ryse, let me know that Kinect 2.0 motion controls were still suspect and didn't work properly. They obviously had no faith in the tech, and went with a more traditional game. I would rather MS have voice commands built into the Controller microphone, and leave the Kinect as an add-on for the camera. So far most games and even the OS are only taking advantage of the voice controls, and the PS4 can do the same Tomb Raider commands without having to Spend an extra $100. Still waiting on a Squad based shooter, that allows for hand commands to give out orders. Get on it MS!!!
Really, this is the one thing to take away from this thread. 90% of this thread is talking about whether voice control is working or not, when that is completely beside the point for this discussion. The microphone in Kinect is probably costing Microsoft about 3 bucks. It's the cameras in Kinect that make the Xbox One more expensive.
The could put the microphone on the console, or better yet on the controller, and everyone could be happy (except the people who actually like Kinect games *shudder*).
CharminUltra
Member
I won't buy an Xbox until they release a cheaper, Kinect-less pack. I have zero interest in camera gaming (this goes for Sony as well).
Do it MS and I will purchase your system within a week. Ignore my plea and I will buy a PS4 game a week until you comply
Do it MS and I will purchase your system within a week. Ignore my plea and I will buy a PS4 game a week until you comply
Why the hell then is MS not been advertising the fitness app? I have never seen an ad for it. The only way I feel your friends know about it is either word of mouth or because they are more hardcore gamers than casual.
Not sure if 1 vs 100 is the killer app the Kinect needs right now, we were talking about a new and different experience.
MrMephistoX
Member
A price drop I can agree with...dropping the Kinect would be a stupid idea considering how integral it is to Microsoft's overall strategy. I think eventually they'll take the learnings from the tech and apply it to their enterprise solutions, SKYPE and even surface and smart phones: think of it as a prototype testing ground, another trojan horse.
Without Kinect there really isn't a solid value prop beyond core gaming.
Maybe lack of content? What they have is great but I wa expecting to be able to do the whole P090X program not just two workouts.
Without Kinect there really isn't a solid value prop beyond core gaming.
Maybe lack of content? What they have is great but I wa expecting to be able to do the whole P090X program not just two workouts.
See I have no idea what is even included, and it is really only 2 workouts from P90X? Jesus.
uncledonnie
Banned
Xbox Fitness is indeed a killer app but they aren't pushing it nearly enough for how good it is. I've told people with Xbox One's about it that had no idea what it was. When you own Kinect and don't even know about the best app for it, something is wrong with the marketing strategy.
At this point though, it doesn't really even matter what they have to showcase Kinect. Not being at price parity is killing them. If the only way to get there is to drop Kinect then they have to do that.
At this point though, it doesn't really even matter what they have to showcase Kinect. Not being at price parity is killing them. If the only way to get there is to drop Kinect then they have to do that.
uncledonnie
Banned
There's only 2 from P90X but the overall number of workouts offered is pretty significant. You would have no problem creating a robust workout plan from what is offered for free.
Omg! I would love another 1vs100. I used to plan my day around that. We would have friends come over and make a thing of it. Good times. I have also taken to telling my other electronics to turn on and off. Also play and pause is fantastic to just say and have it work.
Fallout-with-swords
Banned
Even though the kinect isn't necessary I don't think I would ever want a One without one. It would just be a less powerful (relative to the PS4) system with MS exclusives (hopefully better than last gen). I think it's kind of pointless to not at least get the benefit of the root cause of the performance gap.
MrMephistoX
Member
1 vs 100 with Kinect would be my killer app. Seriously MS should just bite the bullet, keep Kinect and drop it by $100. Going disc drive less makes more sense than dropping the Kinect.
Syphon Filter
Member
saturn killed itself though and fast. snes was more powerful than genesis and won i believe. sony was going to win this gen regardless since they are strong worldwide and there is no headstart this time.
Glorified G
Member
Make more sense as in alienating a huge portion of the market and making the system a niche product, then yes.
Xbox, go to Star Trek into darkness is the killer app where have you been?
Everytime somebody mentions how they use the Kinect, it's always voice commands. Drop the camera, build in a microphone array to the console and drop $70 off the price, while still maintaining what people use it for.
Dash Kappei
Not actually that important
Yoda
Member
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KTLv7wmpLE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KTLv7wmpLE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KTLv7wmpLE
This x 1000 for MS on the subject of forcing the Kinect on the market.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KTLv7wmpLE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KTLv7wmpLE
This x 1000 for MS on the subject of forcing the Kinect on the market.
thunder_snail
Member
Makes perfect sense. They are making the Kinect's 8% stress on the GPU for visual processing optional anyways.
NoPiece
Member
How would you want Kinect implemented for 1 vs 100? The controller was pretty much perfect for the 4 question multiple choice responses.
They should definitely bring back 1 vs 100 though. It was a much more effective way to engage casuals than body waggle.
I'm definitely on team drop the Kinect and drop the price...
Ragnarok Flames
Banned
Lost any interest in the article when i saw Ben Kuchera as the journo
hooijdonk17
Member
Microsoft really needs a cybersex app on the market to add value to the Kinect bundle-in. It can already track your dick, so why not?
RoninChaos
Member
It's kind of hilarious to see people in here talk about the Xbone like ms already lost the war.
Didn't the thing come out in November?
Anyway, the price point is killing them. I don't think power matters nearly as much as price and MS so far has not offered any reason as to why the extra hundred is worth it. I think their appeal to the masses is fine but I don't know a lot of people besides the hardcore that would buy a system for 500.
Didn't the thing come out in November?
Anyway, the price point is killing them. I don't think power matters nearly as much as price and MS so far has not offered any reason as to why the extra hundred is worth it. I think their appeal to the masses is fine but I don't know a lot of people besides the hardcore that would buy a system for 500.
travisbickle
Member
So if consoles were reversed and Sony were putting out the One under their name, sony would win regardless?
Yeah if the roles were switched, Sony would definitely be in the same boat as MS is now.
SwiftDeath
Member
That's clearly impossible. And there is no way at all that MS could instead assuming the built-in microphone is a no go release a cheap USB version of this
http://www.gamestop.com/wii/accessories/wii-speak-mic/72572
Entirely impossible...
Oh please Gary Bettman grant me the strength to endure
Read forum Post #1 - here.
Read forum Post #2 - here.
Read forum Post #3 - here...a near carbon copy of Forum Post #2, mind.
Google Search poster by nick. Find poster's Kickstarter page.
Google the RL name on that Kickstarter page. Find Twitter profile with the same photo and a slew of Xbone marketing retweets.
You know, similar to what we discovered late last year.
At the very least, last year's batch of virals and wanna-be's made it interesting. This shit is amateur hour. Stop it. Now.
Mr. Waffle
Member
Dudes going to get fired... did he forget who pay's Polygons bills?
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
Wow. Called out. Good shit, bish.
SwiftDeath
Member
Nice to know Bish is always on the case
I thought that poster was just at the end of his rope. MS must have run out of the more talented astroturfers by this point.B team is not cutting it.
I thought that poster was just at the end of his rope. MS must have run out of the more talented astroturfers by this point.B team is not cutting it.
SeventhSon
Member
I find the Kinect to be frustrating at times. Fitness is amazing. And it's amazing that MS isn't showing it off at all. The voice commands are cool and I use them far more than I thought I would. Overall, It's great, and if I lost Kinect tomorrow, I'd really miss it, and would get a replacement. If I had a choice between $100 cheaper or a Kinect, I'd go Kinect. It does add value outside of gaming (the only place it is useful so far) and $100 isn't a big deal to me as a one time expense.
That's not true for kids, students, and those who just want to play football or whatever on weekends. This is where MS miscalculated. If there was parity in price, MS would be in the race, as it is, they're not going to get near Sony.
That's not true for kids, students, and those who just want to play football or whatever on weekends. This is where MS miscalculated. If there was parity in price, MS would be in the race, as it is, they're not going to get near Sony.
-Plasma Reus-
Service guarantees member status
hahaha someone just got bish slapped.
iceDragon7
Banned
Maybe one of the reasons MS feels the price is ok is that they were able to sell so many 360s at its horribly high price for so long.