I can't believe it's making me laugh as hard as I am right now xD
Ewwwww.
I can't believe it's making me laugh as hard as I am right now xD
the dick in that picture is not subtle at all hahah
Fixed!
What "prevents them from playing" is their utter aversion to the ridiculous way women are portrayed in the major AAA titles. They want to play games, and do play more innocuous, inoffensive games like Peggle but most would refuse to refer to themselves as "gamers" because they rightly perceive the general industry and community as unwelcoming to them.
Why?
The best selling games have historically appealed to both genders. Games like super mario bros, pacman, and tetris appealed to both genders However, it is only recently the trend has moved towards games that specifically targeted males. However there has been a shift in the marketing and and production of games tailored towards a specific gender. Games such as GTA and COD are all anyone can think of when people name games nowadays. Which is a specific marketing shift towards men in general.
And sex sells. Whether you like it or not, it does. That is the truth.
The fact that you're saying that is making me tell you to read some historical work on video gaming. After the crash of Atari in 1983 and Nintendo's emergence, the industry, for various social and economic reasons, becomes gendered as masculine. Arcades of the late 1970s and early 80s were also gendered as masculine pursuits as well.Why?
The best selling games have historically appealed to both genders. Games like super mario bros, pacman, and tetris appealed to both genders However, it is only recently the trend has moved towards games that specifically targeted males. However there has been a shift in the marketing and and production of games tailored towards a specific gender. Games such as GTA and COD are all anyone can think of when people name games nowadays. Which is a specific marketing shift towards men in general.
And sex sells. Whether you like it or not, it does. That is the truth.
What are you talking about? Sex sells, but the best selling games appeal to a large gender neutral audience?The best selling games have historically appealed to both genders.
And sex sells. Whether you like it or not, it does. That is the truth.
I'm completely confused about what you're saying Ogrekiller. Now some of this is on my part because it's the end of a work day and I'm getting tired, but I'm really not entirely sure what you're arguing about anymore. Could you lay it out for me?
The fact that you're saying that is making me tell you to read some historical work on video gaming. After the crash of Atari in 1983 and Nintendo's emergence, the industry, for various social and economic reasons, becomes gendered as masculine. Arcades of the late 1970s and early 80s were also gendered as masculine pursuits as well.
Also.
What are you talking about? Sex sells, but the best selling games appeal to a large gender neutral audience?
He's trying to say that gaming has this deep undercurrent of sexism, and that women are not treated equally and as sex objects and so forth.
So I say that society is more sexist than the gaming community, and what women experience in the GC is but a fraction of what they go through in the real world, to prove to him that things are not as bad as they seem.
He then says that women don't play games due to the poor portrayal of women, that player and developer gender ratios are a sign of sexism.
I say that that is because of marketing and perception, that many games are gender neutral, that more women are playing games than ever before.
And here we are I guess.
You're still going with the "there are worse things than what's happening in gaming so stop complaining" argument? I could tell you there are better things to do with your time than play video games so stop playing them.
Well my dick is proportionally similar so you can't blame me for noticing!I didn't even see it until you mentioned it. I guess you're better at dickspotting than me. Kappa
I can agree that games in general are primarily designed to appeal to 25-40 white males.
And you can stop complaining about the state of the industry and change it instead of arguing with me I guess.
Is this a question about mechanics or aesthetics?
In theory mechanics should be gender neutral (appeal equally, right?)
Why?
The best selling games have historically appealed to both genders. Games like super mario bros, pacman, and tetris appealed to both genders However, it is only recently the trend has moved towards games that specifically targeted males. However there has been a shift in the marketing and and production of games tailored towards a specific gender. Games such as GTA and COD are all anyone can think of when people name games nowadays. Which is a specific marketing shift towards men in general.
And sex sells. Whether you like it or not, it does. That is the truth.
Great works of art appeal to both genders aesthetically. Great games can have aesthetics AND mechanics that appeal to both genders.
This has gone way off topic.
What exactly happened to Marn? I've read that some vague posts about him in the last few pages but nothing specifically about what happened to him.
I'm looking at more than "there are girls who like this". I'm gauging the difference between males and females when it both sheer numbers and degree of dedication put into games (measured by competitive scenes).
I agree it can considered off-topic. I would make a topic about it, but I'm pretty sure it would be viewed as an attack on women and make for a very ugly thread altogether.
I think the people (including Miranda) brushing this off as one aberrant example of inappropriate behaviour prevent us from recognizing how prevailent these attitudes towards women are, both within and beyond the FGC. Hopefully, this incident will cause some people to reflect on their own attitudes and make adjustments.
also, I really hate the acronym FGC and look back fondly at the time when I did not know it existed.
Well, the other part of the Marn story is that his idiocy cost WNF EVO Points and SRK sponsorship.
I think the other dude was mainly just laughing at the joke.
wait whaaaaaaaaaaaatttttttt
I stopped following this story so closely since Cross Assault ended, and since I have a midterm next week.
Valle must be REALLY pissed off.
man that dude got shafted the hardest out of anyone. Gotta feel for him.
Valle must be REALLY pissed off.
man that dude got shafted the hardest out of anyone. Gotta feel for him.
I love this picture, btw
Valle must be REALLY pissed off.
man that dude got shafted the hardest out of anyone. Gotta feel for him.
Definitely. Also, consider how well he was holding things down on the Street Fighter side of the show. He came off like a true leader of the community.
We finally agree on something!
Unfortunately, my perception is that the gaming community is more sexist than society as a whole.
We agree on nothing.
Your opinion:
is unfortunate and naive.
You've given me no reason to value your judgement. I can't imagine caring much less about your opinion of me.
The fighter inside the controversy that stirred allegations of sexism and misogyny in fighting video games says that its community, fans and star performers do not deserve the collective blame they have endured, and vows that she will not leave her sport despite the alienating remarks of the man who once coached her.
Miranda Pakozdi, who apparently forfeited a match in protest during the Web-broadcast "Cross Assault" competition, singled out her Tekken team coach Aris Bakhtanians for blame in starting a bitter two-day conflict that has roiled passions among fighting game fans and professional contestants in reports by the specialty press.
Moreover, Pakozdi condemned media reports—including Kotaku's by name—that seemed to blame the fighting game culture at large for the ugly incident and the uncomfortable discussion of it.
"The fact is one person, with the assistance of a few stream monsters, brought me to my breaking point," said Pakozi, in extended remarks published via Twitter late Thursday. "Maybe some people (like the people who wrote the @Kotaku article) don't understand that it was just one person who did this to me. I understand it looks like this is the FGC [fighting game community's] fault, I felt that way too until I got home and had a couple days to process everything that happened.
"I was so appalled at what Aris said on the 5th night that I could not stop crying, the next day I made the decision to leave because of it," Pakozdi said. "But that night, and every minute since then, I've received hundreds of comments/tweets from people both in and out of the [fighting game community] supporting me. Those people outnumber Aris like 200-1."
At bottom, "the only people who could make me feel part of the FGC again was the FGC," Pakozdi said. "All the support made me realize that only one person has wronged me, not the entire FGC."
Bakhtanians—her team's coach—"doesn't represent the entire community," Pakozdi said. "I'm not ever leaving. See you at NCR."
NCR is the Northern California Regionals, one of the premier fighting video game tournaments in North America. It will be held March 24-25.
WNF will still be good just thanks to the amount of good players who live in the area, plus the people who want to play with/against them.
I do feel for Valle, but this punishment for a relatively mild offense shows how serious they are about this shit now, which is a pretty damn good deterrent for people who want to be idiots on stream.
Yeah, but the point is that any potential future enablers now have a very clear incentive to nip this kind of stuff in the bud immediately instead of just standing by and letting it happen. Valle probably understands the intention better than anyone.Whilst I can see the severity of the punishment was the point, Levelup seemed to be the most "innocent" of the targets available. Especially considering that they dealt with the situation themselves prior to any intervention from the Cannons.
To me it just seems overly harsh given the lack of punishment for IPW/TS (who I'm assuming will be streaming EVO again if they manage to keep things under control) despite them being at the centre of the issue, and despite Haunt's siding this Aris when shit went down. I love Spooky & Haunts but it really strikes me as a very unjust move.
I hate to say I told you so (re: Aris), but. . .
Tekken fan.
That's what we get for not keeping those mouth breathers chained up in the shed.
This is what I was afraid of. I just KNEW this would happen.
It's just not true. It appears as if it was true because those communities with these problems are frequently being spotlighted, and even more so right now.
And of course, it bounces back and hits the rest of the gaming world.
What about female MMORPG players? They can do whatever the fuck they want without being seriously harassed most of the time. Like, look at the female portion of the scenes that's grown around DAOC. Or WoW.
Same goes for CS. Women can play on public servers and not be harassed. They are part of clans, they fuckin' play professionally without being reduced to the tits.
Or if you want to get really "okay, you're doing your thing, have fun", look at what went on in Second Life, and what kind of a role female players played in that.
Great job, FGC. Your community leaders are really awesome. Good stuff with the streams. You're really the shining example for gaming.
I really wish they would've showcased Emily Chow's tumblr post instead. I feel like Miranda is, understandably, a bit all over the place when it comes to her comments about the event. And I've always said Aris, though the break point for all this, wasn't the only reason all these changes needed to take place (sup Marn), so I facepalmed at the complete blame attribution.http://kotaku.com/5889869/coach-not...ual-harassment-controversy?tag=fighting-games
I gotta admit the people trying to spin what she says for the sake of their argument in a few places *mostly comments and such* REALLY PISS ME THE FUCK OFF. *cough* ahem. At the least they didn't pull an asshole move and not put this up or the other more positive articles up. If you are gonna report one side of the coin only... that's just weak. They didn't thankfully.
I really wish they would've showcased Emily Chow's tumblr post instead. I feel like Miranda is, understandably, a bit all over the place when it comes to her comments about the event. And I've always said Aris, though the break point for all this, wasn't the only reason all these changes needed to take place (sup Marn), so I facepalmed at the complete blame attribution.
Glad that she's getting a lot of support and feeling better.
I also saw Art's livestream that night and Haunts was on there and really trying to downplay what Aris had said, saying something to the effect of you shouldn't take Aris seriously.
You wouldn't happen to know where in the archive I can find this? I watched his stream for quite a while before I went to bed, but I didn't catch this.
i was wondering why this topic was so big
goddamn this is a fucked up story
sort of continues to support my suspicions that heavily geek communities are far more prone to sexual harassment than other communities, due in large part to a feeling of so frequently being rejected by the opposite sex or simply being unable to know how to act due to social ineptitude. So these people compensate in a really negative way