Stop posting. We get it, you don't like these rumours.
These are still rumours and I bet we'll see something tomorrow.
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Kotaku Rumor: PS4 out in November, control with your phone/tablet, maybe $429/529
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Stop posting. We get it, you don't like these rumours.
These are still rumours and I bet we'll see something tomorrow.
Baconsammy
Banned
Because Sony has made nothing but great moves the past 8 years...wait a minute.
Exactly. It's not a question of will they do it, but how they'll do it.
As bad as all the rumors have been for durango I didn't flip out, I just said it would suck if it ends up like that and I'm still at least waiting for their reveal. People don't even wait for the companies to disappoint them anymore before going nuts.
Vyse The Legend
Member
You're really upset, huh. Sorry, "brah."
I normally don't give into demands from people that cannot keep their composure and discuss topics in a level-headed way, but Evilore's sticky post says to back up your claims. So, here you go. A large thread with GAFers that believe $400 will be the max, and here are some random posts taken from just 2 of the 11 pages:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=45827529&postcount=4
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=45827713&postcount=20
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=45827775&postcount=28
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=45828008&postcount=44
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=45935033&postcount=512
There were so many "def won't be more than $400" posts that I stopped after five. Hope you understand.
Speculation time ..
PS4 ($429)
250GB
EyeToy
Controller
Free Online MP, Demos
PS4 ($529)
500GB
EyeToy
Controller
Launch (Move) Game Pack-in
1 Year of PlayStation World (BC via Gakai, PS+ features, Streaming etc.)
If it the real world model comes down to something like this, I'd go with the $429 version in a heartbeat. Upgrade the HDD myself (assuming they dont force proprietary HDD crap ala MS), get the PS World subscription when it's tested and tried. And fuck the pack-in Move Game
In this article, the biggest surprise IMO is;
1. Price
2. Price when EyeToy is bundled with every console.
And maybe $529 comes with PlanetSide 2.
PaulExcellent
Member
I don't even use Xbox Live, so I could care less about the online.
The pricing seems a bit too much. I expected $400, but $500 is inefficient.
Well, we'll see tomorrow, right?
The pricing seems a bit too much. I expected $400, but $500 is inefficient.
Well, we'll see tomorrow, right?
la flama blanca
Banned
Let people keep running with it, it looks hilarious.
This is true. At least the perks of Plus would be part of it and I am subscribed to that already. So, it really would be no different.
mysteriousmage09
Member
Sony charging for playing online at this point would be like Valve all the sudden charging for Steam. Sony isn't going to take something that's been free for 7 years and all the sudden start charging for it, and PSN Plus has been doing decently enough to warrant it being expanded upon and people seem to love it.
This is just Kotaku spouting last minute bullshit before the meeting happens.
I can't believe people are this submissive to corporate money grabs.
djplaeskool
Member
Guessing, as already posited, what's free will remain free. All the cool new shinies via Gaikai will go into PS+
Sickboy007
Member
That's genius! They should sell it for a thousand bucks to get those who really buy games!
I had every intention of waiting until a significant price drop, it seems it'll be even longer than I had originally thought. Not a big deal. Build up a nice library for both consoles to see which is better before taking the plunge.
If Sony does end up charging for most online interractions, it'll probably 'force' consumers to ante up for the service. If most of their customers are doing that, they won't feel a need to offer 'free' games to entice people.
If Sony does end up charging for most online interractions, it'll probably 'force' consumers to ante up for the service. If most of their customers are doing that, they won't feel a need to offer 'free' games to entice people.
Unspeakable Evil
Member
Hope it's this.
Beer Monkey
Member
Why is everybody OK with backwards compatibility being behind a paywall? Paying a monthly fee to play your existing games you already own, even in single player mode?
They aren't streaming the BC because it's an awesome way to do BC, they are doing it because they fucked up with their PS3 architecture decision and it's the only fucking way they can possibly do BC at all!
PS4. We got you to pay a monthly fee to play your PS3 games in single player mode.
AgentP
Thinks mods influence posters politics. Promoted to QAnon Editor.
Whatever premium subscription they have, it will have to extend to the Vita and probably the PS3. It will probably be a rebranded and expanded PS+.
Just like when PS+ was extended to the Vita with no additional price.
Did Sony make your PS3 self destruct? No one is making you do anything. They will have a business model that makes them money, what they provide is rumor at this point.
Just like when PS+ was extended to the Vita with no additional price.
Did Sony make your PS3 self destruct? No one is making you do anything. They will have a business model that makes them money, what they provide is rumor at this point.
Delusibeta
Banned
Also, if online multiplayer is behind a paywall, I'm going to boycott it. This goes with the Xbox 3 as well, by the way. There's literally no excuse any more for putting P2P multiplayer services behind a paywall, never mind the small fact that the vast majority of PC multiplayer games don't charge for multiplayer (and an increasing number don't charge to download the thing in the first place).
famousmortimer
Banned
I was wrong :/
This is not the Microsoft conference thread.
Synth_floyd
Banned
MS' Xbox Live gold thing was too popular. Sony won't want to give up that free money.
"If millions are paying $50 a year to play online on Xbox, why are we giving it away for free?"
On the controller front, I like the concave analog sticks, but hate the placement. I could never play FPS games on a PS2 or 3. Maybe it will be different on the 4.
"If millions are paying $50 a year to play online on Xbox, why are we giving it away for free?"
On the controller front, I like the concave analog sticks, but hate the placement. I could never play FPS games on a PS2 or 3. Maybe it will be different on the 4.
But who wants a gimped online experience? The online experience you get for free on your PS3 right now doesn't compare very well to Live's features. You will have to pay for anything worth a damn for whatever new online infrastructure they've built (presumably) for this new console, as you should.
dreamer3kx
Member
I think sony is making a mistake if its going to be priced above $400, just dont think it will sell well, especially if MS sells for less.
gutter_trash
Banned
Kotaku trying to be relevant 24h in advance based on rumors,
can't wait for them to be proven wrong
can't wait for them to be proven wrong
Don't expect a lot of questions to be answered tomorrow, but we shall see.
Isn't $429 kinda inline with the Nikkei report a week or two ago?
Also, this is the first we've heard of two SKUs, when past rumors suggested that Sony was going to stick with one SKU this time around.
Still, if Sony are going to focus on the cheaper SKU, and use that SKU as the "main" model (kinda like how Apple uses the cheapest iPhone/Ipad as it's "main model") then that might not be too bad.
Pay to play though...that is something I sincerely hope is not true, though.
Also, this is the first we've heard of two SKUs, when past rumors suggested that Sony was going to stick with one SKU this time around.
Still, if Sony are going to focus on the cheaper SKU, and use that SKU as the "main" model (kinda like how Apple uses the cheapest iPhone/Ipad as it's "main model") then that might not be too bad.
Pay to play though...that is something I sincerely hope is not true, though.
If both consoles go subscription, I wont have too much trouble going PC only. The only console exclusives I really care about are Forza and Platinum Games... er games. I'm done with Gears/Uncharted/God of War etc... this generation is so played out.
Note to Capcom: Please update your PC games faster as I soon may not own a console. Thanks
Note to Capcom: Please update your PC games faster as I soon may not own a console. Thanks
Baconsammy
Banned
Sure is starting to look like one though, eh?
Can't, you need the eye to use that new Dual Shock.
I'll throw my hat completely into 'PlayStation World' being a beefed up version of Plus with Gaikai streaming being another pole in that tent. But, the basic p2p multi, friends list, trophies, chat be it voice, party or otherwise being completely free.
Absolutely believe this will be the case, despite the wishful thinkers.
Absolutely believe this will be the case, despite the wishful thinkers.
"It's no way Sony will charge over 400 dollars! No way! People are just spouting bullshit!"
"It's no way the Revolution will be just a higher clocked, extra memory Gamecube! you fuckers are crazy!!"
And we know what happened then. Why are folks so quick to just assume the best out of companies who want MONEY and have seen that people have NO PROBLEM paying for it?
They've been charging for a premium service for years already...
I would say it is people taking examples we already have, Online MP has stayed free across 4 of their platforms, PS2, PSP, PS3 and Vita, there's no reason why they would charge for it now when they could have started with the Vita. And they already have a pay for service in place with PS+, just like they have done already, they will just stick new features behind PS+ while giving us the same ones we have always had free, for free.
You're starting to repeat yourself now.
in my case, it is most likely that I'll be going PC for third party games and Wii U for Nintendo exclusives
Castle Doctrine
Member
This is what I'm thinking. I'd be very surprised if online play is still not free.
Because I, like others, were expecting no form of BC, because indeed they fucked up. If the choice was to continue with a complicated and fucked up architecture or give up PS3 BC, I think they made the right choice.
Streaming shit has a lot of costs involved, I don't see them bleeding away money to provide the service a lot of people probably won't use.
At this point I would prefer they just add PS2 hardware back in, I can leave my PS3 out.
That's how DLC became popular and money-grab.
ashbash159
Member
We probably won't even know if these rumours are true tomorrow. I don't expect pricing until E3 at the absolute earliest.
NotTheGuyYouKill
Member
I mean like charging for online play and stuff.
Wasn't that also a selling point in their commercials last year? I vaguely remember those "It only does everything" spots and they touted free online.
If I'm paying to play online I better be getting dedicated servers for those games, if not then I will wait until they release the slim version and play offline, assuming any of their exclusives (another selling point for me) are worth the cost of admission.
that's what has been said by multiple rumors, yeah.
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maybe the price difference is for the camera and HDD between the two SKUs, not forcing it in every box but still having a LED on every controller might not make much sense, but I don't see the issue if it's not a mandatory feature, you have a controller with light in the front but can't use the feature unless you buy the camera? that's pretty appealing to me actually, because I won't buy the camera
Duxxy3
Member
These look slightly concave. We don't know how they travel or how far they travel.
At worst the triggers should be level when fully engaged.
The problem is that they will get away with it, because tomorrow and the next few days everyone will be talking about the PS4, nobody will bother to dig up these "reports" and thus they will not be held accountable when they are proven wrong.
Its free clicks for them because they know people are on the edge of their seats right now and will read anything regarding the announcement tomorrow
What they posted does not fit with what The Times posted about the price point, so someone is wrong, or likely both are wrong and just speculating.
He straight up short circuited. If he's doing this for rumors I almost want this to happen just to see the actual reaction.