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Digital Foundry: GT Sport vs Forza 7
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1.21Gigawatts
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GT and Forza are games for car enthusiasts. The reason why these details are there is because people actually look at the cars in photomode or in the garage.
These games aren't like a Need For Speed where its just about the racing.
This is supposed to be car porn.
I've been playing both GT and Forza since the beginning. I've put a lot of time into Forza 7 on both Xbox One (not S, no HDR) and PC (4k, no HDR) recently, and the visuals, even without HDR, are simply amazing!
But, GTS, my God. GTS on my Pro and 4k TV HDR setup is on another level completely. It's staggering to look at. That being said...
GTS is not for me and I regret my purchase.
Even though I've been there since the beginning, I'm still a pretty casual racer. I love working my way through SP career modes, and not a lot else. Content-wise and progression-wise, GT is severely lacking and can't hold my interest. Gameplay-wise, I can barely drive the cars with a controller (wtf overcorrection), and my trusty (dusty) Gran Turismo branded Driving Force GT wheel is not supported.
Bottom-line for me is, yes; GTS is a much better visual showcase, but F7 is a much, much better driving game.
But, GTS, my God. GTS on my Pro and 4k TV HDR setup is on another level completely. It's staggering to look at. That being said...
GTS is not for me and I regret my purchase.
Even though I've been there since the beginning, I'm still a pretty casual racer. I love working my way through SP career modes, and not a lot else. Content-wise and progression-wise, GT is severely lacking and can't hold my interest. Gameplay-wise, I can barely drive the cars with a controller (wtf overcorrection), and my trusty (dusty) Gran Turismo branded Driving Force GT wheel is not supported.
Bottom-line for me is, yes; GTS is a much better visual showcase, but F7 is a much, much better driving game.
BBQ_of_DOOM
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Remember when some folks docked GTS a bit because they thought it graphically didn't compare? What game did they play? This article shows that GTS punches well above its weight in many categories.
Well done. Looking forward to the HDR comparison video next.
Well done. Looking forward to the HDR comparison video next.
funkystudent
Member
GTS is easily more technically impressive but I would argue Forza looks better
DemonCleaner
Member
balsy video John. even though you tried not to give a definitive conclusion, i think one can read (or better hear) between the line which of the two you think looks better overall.
on IQ i agree you have to give it to forza. but i still get distracted by the remaining aliasing even at 4K + 4xMSAA while playing on pc. i can't believe turn10 still does not use some form of TAA... come on we are in the year 2017 now.
on IQ i agree you have to give it to forza. but i still get distracted by the remaining aliasing even at 4K + 4xMSAA while playing on pc. i can't believe turn10 still does not use some form of TAA... come on we are in the year 2017 now.
LostDonkey
Member
I've been playing Forza 7 since launch on PC, 4k Ultra.
Unless something is up with my Pro and copy of GTS I can't understand how anyone can say it (GTS) looks better.
Even FH3 to me 4k ultra looks better.
My eyes must be in backwards or something.
Unless something is up with my Pro and copy of GTS I can't understand how anyone can say it (GTS) looks better.
Even FH3 to me 4k ultra looks better.
My eyes must be in backwards or something.
What? When has NFS ever been just about the racing?
The impressive thing is the console game came on top
PD are just some wizards.
It just shows the game is built for Xbox One and not specifically made for PC.
The game punches exactly at its weight for PS4 as the shortcuts in the video show, as well as other shortcuts not mentioned like the limited draw distance in the rear mirrors.
In terms of IQ? Absolutely. Graphics? No.
The lighting engine differences alone are very stark. Forza just looks flat and car paints look like plastic most of the time.
But then again, I'd be playing both these games from bumper cam perspective anyway so the in-game car models get rarely seen by me anyway.
LostDonkey
Member
Cos we already have PC.
Inf3cted_b3ast
Member
Is the XBX version going to look better than PC maxed out?
GHG
Member
My brothers friends sisters dad stole some guy's car. We have to find it and get it back.
Just racing bro.
I dont recall GB making any complaint about the visuals. Actually that was one of the few aspects Jeff praised, multiple times in fact in the QL.
wumster3000
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I think you are looking at image quality vs the overall package. For me, Forzas image quality, AA and textures are a lot better. While GTS has the edge in lighting and everything else - at least for me. I cant deny that GTS looks fantastic on my OLED, but Forza does too.
Edit: Also keep in mind that a lot of posters havent played both
What cane be said.
They both have it, but DF doesn't really know much about HDR, so it would resort to them going.
It looks nice.
Which is not what DF there to do.
I seriously have no idea what the hell this means.
LostDonkey
Member
No, I'm not talking about just image quality, I mean the overall package.
It's a much more realistic game for me to look at especially during gameplay.
GTS is more convincing during replay comparisons but I'm just not seeing it during actually being in control of the car.
It means that if you email PD in a complimentary tone they will rush ship you a copy of their game. For the passion
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Because GTS is newly released and there will most likely be another follow up on this when the X and it's Forza patch are out.
wumster3000
Member
Did he pay Sony and PD to play GTS with passion? Both released their respective products because they are passionate about racing and also to keep funding that passion.
This dude needs to bail. Its a graphics thread. Lets ignore him and move on.
Yautja_Warrior
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Great article, very fair on both games. Very interesting to see the different approaches they both use. It's also good to see that GT holds up very well, as some of the Xbox fanboys clearly thought Forza 7 would walk all over it in the graphics department.
Both look fantastic and both are great (very different) games but I'm absolutely loving GT Sport right now, even with less content. The driving / handling is excellent and has me hooked, I'm looking forward to more content to be added in.
Both look fantastic and both are great (very different) games but I'm absolutely loving GT Sport right now, even with less content. The driving / handling is excellent and has me hooked, I'm looking forward to more content to be added in.
I don't know why it's taken this long for people to realise what's going on. It's been blatantly obvious since Forza Motorsport 7's reveal...and it's been blatantly obvious how Gran Turismo's conditions work for ages too.
Maybe a HDR followup when X1X comes out?
On a 3D engine perspective, "a generation ahead" is not far from the truth.
_ deferred rendering vs forward rendering
_ Physical base rendering vs no PBR
_ real time lighting vs prebake
etc
BBQ_of_DOOM
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Maybe it was the guest, from GameStop? Regardless, I've edited it to reflect that doubt.
Gold_Loot
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They didnt? They used a high spec PC with all graphic settings maxed.
BBQ_of_DOOM
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dragonfart28
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As someone who owns Forza 7, GT is clearly the more defined game, but that should be expected considering the limited focus.
Yes, as I said, they don't really know a lot about HDR content.
Also you can't mix HDR content in a youtube video.
BBQ_of_DOOM
Member
Why would the X1X change HDR implementation?
TheAdmiester
Member
Objectively wrong.
Disagree. Forza 7 running in native 4K with all things cranked is a pretty challenging ordeal for anything south of a 1070.
Instead - I'd argue the reason GT won was because it didn't focus on pc. Moreover
car details, modeling, accuracy, lighting, and shaders don't magically breathe into existence with more horsepower. The accomplishment for Gran Turismo is equal parts hardware and artistic flare.
DirgeExtinction
Member
I'll watch the video when I can, but is GTS meant to be a GaaS type of game? If so, I hope they do what DC did and add weather as a patch. Same with dynamic TOD.
MDSLKTR
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The only one that matters. Shouldn't be a contest after that lol
Dictator93
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I really prefer the engine choices that gts makes over fm7. Materials detail, real time shadows and post processing are all what I prefer. Why do both games avoid object motion blur in game play as an option though? Even on PC?
Obviously FM7 is massively limited by the base xb1, yet I am curious why their, presumably, physically based material model is much less impressove in the end. The lacking specular occlusion (or real time ssao as I can see) and simplified dual-coat / metal flake material really make the cars much more detached from their differently shaded and shadowed environment. Perhaps they just have a workflow that is not as detail oriented given the volume of cars, or, they have less frametime / not enough passes available to have multiple complex and different material models per car.
Fake edit: TIRE WALLS!
Obviously FM7 is massively limited by the base xb1, yet I am curious why their, presumably, physically based material model is much less impressove in the end. The lacking specular occlusion (or real time ssao as I can see) and simplified dual-coat / metal flake material really make the cars much more detached from their differently shaded and shadowed environment. Perhaps they just have a workflow that is not as detail oriented given the volume of cars, or, they have less frametime / not enough passes available to have multiple complex and different material models per car.
Fake edit: TIRE WALLS!
Ardenyal
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Objectively loot boxes used to cost extra money.
GHG
Member
Objectively loot boxes have noting to do with the graphics comparison that DF have done.
Yup, it will be growing for years. Expecting it to be the first Gran Turismo title to become a cross-generation title.
Aceofspades
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so GT has better:
Car models and interiors.
track draw distance and details.
tree modeling.
better lightning.
Split screen at 60fps.
HDR (not mentioned here)
dynamic shadows (lower resolution)
Replays
VR
60 fps reflections (24 hz when interior*)
Forza has:
dynamic ToD (when car moves only)
static shadows (high resolution)
higher resolution (because of PC version used)
30 fps reflections.
both games running at stable 60 fps.
Good work by dark10. much appreciated.
Car models and interiors.
track draw distance and details.
tree modeling.
better lightning.
Split screen at 60fps.
HDR (not mentioned here)
dynamic shadows (lower resolution)
Replays
VR
60 fps reflections (24 hz when interior*)
Forza has:
dynamic ToD (when car moves only)
static shadows (high resolution)
higher resolution (because of PC version used)
30 fps reflections.
both games running at stable 60 fps.
Good work by dark10. much appreciated.
Aceofspades
Banned
so does HDR.
It wouldn't.
HDR is a problem to 'show' since 99 percent of people watching won't be able to see it. It would have to be down to a description.
TheAdmiester
Member
Loot boxes cant even be paid for yet. The games progression is far too generous even with them present, so what point are you trying to make?
As GHG said, regardless of your opinion its not even relevant here anyway.