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Digital Foundry: Thief for Xbox One edges out the PS4 version
- Thread starter chadskin
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VS 100% install from Gaf User on PS4:
Not the same scene. Its not a permanent gameplay issue.
Sanic
Member
Irrational, in the context of this thread i.e. game performance.
What has he argued that is irrational?
RedAssedApe
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game has been in development for a long time. to get it ready for simultaneous launch on all consoles it probably made the most sense.
I notice it as well...
It's nothing to do with this thread. He thinks buying consoles is immoral. I consider that to be irrational, not everyone would, of course, I wasn't really making fun of him or anything, I was just surprised he'd back this article in any way, because I think it seriously down plays the advantage of the PC version in context of the XBO version.
Can Crusher
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You ain't crazy.
arhra
Member
The X1 version definitely has parallax occlusion mapping as well, they just seem to have picked surfaces to apply it to completely at random.
Grabbed a quick video to demonstrate - the bricks on the left are using it, but the otherwise-identical bricks on the right don't. Why? God alone knows. As with a bunch of other stuff in the game, probably the product of a troubled development period, platform switching (remember, it's been in dev since at least 2009, so they definitely weren't targetting PS4/XB1 initially), and most likely a nasty crunch to get it out the door. They probably just started turning it off in various areas until they hit performance targets as they were crunching for release with the game running like shit.
Looking at the screens and videos, it seems that the PS4 version is similar, but maybe with a few more surfaces spared the axe.
It's certainly no great technical feat on either platform, though, and the sooner UE3 gets put out of it's misery the better.
Shhh logic has no place in a DF thread on GAF.
There has been no u-turn. They have awarded the "win" to ports with technical shortcomings before, such as Dead Island where the 360 version was a lower resolution and worse filtering.
You seem way too bitter over this.
Bullshit article. Careful DF, or you guys will be out of a job soon. Your audience does not want to see you pander to one platform or the other, and this one is heavily skewed to the Xbone.
First they say - 900p vs 1080p PS4 advantage does not matter. Then they say less stable and lower frame rate on Xbone is no big deal. Then they say a lessideal AA (apparently, to them) = Xbone version superior, but I thought blurry didn't matter because 900p vs 1080p doesn't matter, right?
Then there are GIFs of texture streaming issues on the Xbone, not the PS4, and screen caps and input from people playing the game saying these texture problems DF saw are nowhere to be found. WTF?
First they say - 900p vs 1080p PS4 advantage does not matter. Then they say less stable and lower frame rate on Xbone is no big deal. Then they say a lessideal AA (apparently, to them) = Xbone version superior, but I thought blurry didn't matter because 900p vs 1080p doesn't matter, right?
Then there are GIFs of texture streaming issues on the Xbone, not the PS4, and screen caps and input from people playing the game saying these texture problems DF saw are nowhere to be found. WTF?
LiquidNarwhal
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This is a message board and you're welcome to post whatever you want, but you're kind of derailing the thread with your childish master race PC comments as usual. That being said, I agree with most the comparison is sloppy at best and the game is hot garbage anyways.
krypt0nian
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Does Dark still work for this shit show?
Neuromancer
Member
I can't either. It's going to be NUTS.
The 360 versus XBO comparison is one that I cannot wait for. I'm really curious on that front.
I wonder if they'll wait for the 360 version.
LiquidNarwhal
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better bring a pickaxe that's going to be a salt mine.
Melchiah
Member
Lion Heart worded it pretty well already.
Seems to me the rules of the comparisons have been changed in the wake of this generation.
EDIT: As for the Dead Island article...
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-dead-island-face-off?page=3
Are they still using a stupid PC that is artificially gimped to try and represent a console level of power?
I would be surprised if ps4 won that one
iceatcs
Junior Member
True, but unfortunately can't compare with other next gen console.
I think the thread will massive if XBO actually downgrade to 720p lol. I will be in the bunker.
I would assume they'll just do 2 separate articles. One near launch comparing the XB1 version to PC, and then another a few weeks later comparing the 360 port to the others.
I doubt they would want to miss out on the hype and potential traffic of not putting that analysis up when the game is fresh on everyone's lips at launch next week.
Pseudo judo
Member
Lol, finally! This is the stuff I've been waiting for.
miDnIghtEr20C
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JoeyJungle
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I know right! I don't know why, but I love when people get outraged at a publication they don't follow from an article they didn't read!
SneakyStephan
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"next" gen, still no 2001 pc equivalent texture filtering
how did the xbox win out btw, seems like they're both pathetic (20-25 fps ? REALLY?) but the xbone one seems even worse framerate wise
anyhow I hope you guys aren't giving these clowns any clicks
how did the xbox win out btw, seems like they're both pathetic (20-25 fps ? REALLY?) but the xbone one seems even worse framerate wise
anyhow I hope you guys aren't giving these clowns any clicks
Hmmm so we have:
Dead rising:
PS3 looks better
360 better frame rate
360 wins
Thief
PS4 and XB1 look different, both have advantages and disadvantages and it comes down to personal preference
PS4 has better frame rate.
XB1 wins.
There is just a lack of consistency with Digital Foundries subjective interpretations of the objective facts.
These are not equivalent situations.
More importantly, it's not the same writer.
JoeyJungle
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Um, you're kind of breezing over some stuff here.
Frame pacing issues trivialize any advantage in fps. Trilinear filtering blurs the image and negates the sharper image that a higher resolution gives. I'm really not seeing the conspiracy.
I can't wait for ANY Titanfall thread around launch. The amount of salt is going to be absolutely hilarious
I think it's tessellation what are you pointing in these bricks. It's a different effect.
JoeyJungle
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I know, right!? Stuff like this are why forums were invented! If the game gets high scores, PS4 fanboys are will try to dismiss it as cod with mechs, and if it gets middling reviews Xbone fanboys will say everyone's taking money from Sony!
God, it's gonna be great.
funkystudent
Member
I think DF should just stop trying to pick a winner for these analysis. Keep it purely technical and no personal opinions.
Just tell us the raw technical differences and let people sort it out on their own. All the problems DF have come when some fuckwith starts inserting their opinion it the article.
Just tell us the raw technical differences and let people sort it out on their own. All the problems DF have come when some fuckwith starts inserting their opinion it the article.
Yup, let the forums duke it out for a "winner". DF should just be worried about providing the facts, Jack.
I certainly agree with this.
I have a feeling that the Titanfall comparison is going to be predictable and boring. I'll be interesting to see how far they had to scale back the 360 version though.
The only thing his post helped to prove is that perception is more important than reality. It "seems" to you guys that there is a controversy at DF when the playstation version wins. However I don't remember much controversy when games like GTA5, saints row 3, DNF, or other games were deemed better on the PS3. Sorry but I don't subscribe to conspiracy theories, especially when they require cherry picking to support.
Also not sure why you quoted the DI FO when it supports what I said above.
The only thing his post helped to prove is that perception is more important than reality. It "seems" to you guys that there is a controversy at DF when the playstation version wins. However I don't remember much controversy when games like GTA5, saints row 3, DNF, or other games were deemed better on the PS3. Sorry but I don't subscribe to conspiracy theories, especially when they require cherry picking to support.
Also not sure why you quoted the DI FO when it supports what I said above.
Depends what exactly you're calling "frame pacing" issues. If it's your standard triple-buffered stuttery mess, it doesn't trivialize anything; a 25% higher framerate is still going to feel smoother, even if they both suck.
To an extent, yes. Higher resolutions *sort of* result in better texture filtering, since the higher pixel density means you can sample from lower MIP levels without fearing shimmering, and the higher resolution will still be quite advantageous with regards to aliasing in geometry and some pixel shader effects.
But yes, in some of those shots, the texture representation is overall significantly cleaner in the XB1 side despite the lower resolution.
swazzyswess
Member
This makes no sense.
Mainly the problem starts when nobody in DF can do a real deep tech analysis. Then they talk opinions.
Melchiah
Member
The Dead Island article fits what I posted pretty well.
When there was a minor difference in the PS3/360 resolution, it was "significant" if the 360 version ran at a higher resolution, and a "small lead" when it was the other way around, like the DI article also shows.
Which I believe was someones point, Melchiah's maybe, earlier in the thread. I think he stated, whenever there's subjectivity, it goes to the Microsft camp and that DF has never given the nod to a PS3 game that had better filtering and worse resolution/framerate.
I'm used to PC having better graphics, but I've had enough bitching from PC owners about console versions of games. You're not going to get it on consoles so why do you care?
X1 wasn't really given the nod here. They just said it looks a little better. Performance is bad on both but they're pretty close versions.
So the multiple analysts that write these articles follow this hive-mind mentality? Ooook.....
Also by saying the DI comparison supports your theory, are you really trying to tell me you can understand how the 360 came out on top? In actuality that article proves that they don't determine the winner entirely based on a few technical advantages, which is what you claimed they did a u-turn on.
I have and love the ps4, but I still can't understand being so invested in a platform that something like this would require you to look at the past and make up conspiracy theories.
That's because there's a lot more frame drops on the xbone, but u know AF is the most important now
While that is true, for a site that wants to be seen as making objective analysis, a site wide policy for making those sorts of judgements would help. Or even just stop picking winners (especially when both consoles are shithouse) and let the data stand on their own.