MarauderShields
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No but they probably shouldn't be giving demos in place of full games either.
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PS+ version of Driveclub will have 5 tracks (1 country) and 10 cars.
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No but they probably shouldn't be giving demos in place of full games either.
Souldestroyer Reborn
Banned
Nice that's awesome that everything is open to use considering it's pretty much free!
Will by using the upgrade path to get the full game if I enjoy the PS+ edition.
Game looks gorgeous!
Will by using the upgrade path to get the full game if I enjoy the PS+ edition.
Game looks gorgeous!
Yeah, it was... I remember wondering when I heard it last year if that meant it was a different version than the full version and learning it was....
They've called it that from the start.
DrROBschiz
Member
The gravy train had to end sometime right?
At least we still consistently get more than our money's worth out of the service. Its pretty damn competitive outside of what is seen on Steam
I'm almost positive they've used PS+ Edition before.
They've used it with DriveClub, yeah, since it was announced. They've never used it for a game which has shipped, like Prologue, something which people understand.
You should make it simple, just strip down the direct comparisons, like this:
Then:
“you're going to have all of the single player content in terms of events.”
"You can earn the platinum trophy"
Now:
“play through part of the single-player game and unlock trophies”
"The PlayStation Plus Edition hasn’t changed."
Huh, this is a really really good point.
Galactic Barret
Member
I could have sworn people bitched about prologue's price and content, too.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
They never said they were giving you the full game.
chrominance
Member
I was going off Rushy's post in the OP:
I see now after reading the quote Rushy was responding to that it's the interior of the car you're driving that doesn't show up, NOT other cars. Thank goodness--that seemed like such a crazy decision that it almost didn't seem right. So my bad on that one.
From the same post:
That was back in September, so maybe things have changed, but my understanding was always that the PS+ edition would at least offer a discount. It wouldn't make any sense to upgrade if it cost MORE than the full version, since you could just go to the store and buy the full version in that case. Unless you're taking into account the cost of PS+ when saying it'll be more expensive, I'm not sure.
Interesting that people seem so convinced this is equivalent to a glorified demo. I barely play racing games, but can anyone point to a demo from the entire 360/ps3 generation that had this many tracks and cars? Seems like a lot more than the few demos I've played. Just saying "demo" as many times as you can is a lot less convincing than pointing out a real example...
That said, some good points have been made by lots of people about the backtracking Sony's done on the language they were using last year.
This seems like a really fair point. If you're not going to put something up that has over 50% of the full game's content, it probably shouldn't count as a free game on ps plus. Calling it a freemium game rather than a demo also seems a lot more accurate to me.
That said, some good points have been made by lots of people about the backtracking Sony's done on the language they were using last year.
This seems like a really fair point. If you're not going to put something up that has over 50% of the full game's content, it probably shouldn't count as a free game on ps plus. Calling it a freemium game rather than a demo also seems a lot more accurate to me.
Yeah, but they paid for it. I know technically we're paying for IGC too, but I don't think people would have felt the same way about it.
silver.tongue
Member
Instead of a "beefy demo", I think it's more correct to think of it as a "slim game".
After all, you can acess all features and even platinum the game without the left out content.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
This topic has a lot of unnecessary hate much like the 30fps thread. Hard to read.
calling this a demo is disingenuous. find me a demo that gives you access to all the modes and lets you finish the game as well. i mean how the heck do you justify a full retail release of the game if you give away the majority of the game on plus. there has to be an incentive for gamers to fork out money to get the complete game. people buying at retail would be suckers if the ps plus edition included almost everything but a couple of tracks and cars
Oh, okay. I see what you're saying now. Yeah, something like prologue would have gave people an idea of what kind of content is coming with it.
Yeah, almost every single thread is pretty negative, but that's what you get when you think silence is a better option than being open with consumers and then when you're finally open, it all just seems like bullshit.
silver.tongue
Member
Maybe it's a perception thing, but if you can access all features and even platinum the game, how can it be called a demo?
I am not sure why you are saying this. This is a whole new thing for PS+, releasing a "PS+ Edition" the day that the full game releases. The "norm" is to release indies and older full version of games on PS+ (for the PS3/Vita at least) never a smaller version of a full game.
FantasticMrFoxdie
Mumber
Thanks Kojima! Cool glad to try it out 'free' atleast
Also this entitlement stuff is just embarrassing...complaining for the sake of complaining
Also this entitlement stuff is just embarrassing...complaining for the sake of complaining
even though you know the full game will probably be on PS+ eventually.
alot of people it seems like.
flyinpiranha
Member
I'm OK with the demo being demo. That's great.
What I'm not OK with is that this game was practically pushed as a marketing device for PS+ . Sure, you're going to pay now but you get a majority of this awesome game (don't ask for quotes, it's all in the OP. Sony has mentioned and Rushy mentioned it was going to be "almost the full game").
I personally was wanting this game because I only had a PS4 back then, so PS+ was pretty worthless to me. I have since reaped the benefits with a Vita purchase and one or two games on the PS4 but that was never the intention of my purchasing PS+ at launch, a hefty discount with this game plus to be "connected" for my first year of ownership was the plan.
This isn't entitlement. The promises changed and the intentions of the PS+ version have altered. It's not our fault that they promised this, it's theirs. I don't understand the "OH BUT YOU GET A FREE GAME" bullshit, we don't. We get a demo. A nice demo, but a demo nonetheless.
I completely understand the frustration. Sony and Evolution should have been more clear about it and the connection to PS+. It was basically "Buy PS+, get Driveclub" ... then it turned into "Buy PS+, get a slightly less version of the main game Driveclub" ... now it's "Buy PS+, get a demo of Driveclub".
It does suck. Anybody who was in the DC threads or around the launch was very aware of how they were positioning DC to be part of the PS+ package. Now it's a glorified demo a year later. Even talks about Knack replacing DC for the PS+ game was talked about shortly because the DC PS+ 'game' was going to be delayed.
I'm still looking forward to the game, but the communication of what the connection was to PS+ could have been conveyed a lot better.
What I'm not OK with is that this game was practically pushed as a marketing device for PS+ . Sure, you're going to pay now but you get a majority of this awesome game (don't ask for quotes, it's all in the OP. Sony has mentioned and Rushy mentioned it was going to be "almost the full game").
I personally was wanting this game because I only had a PS4 back then, so PS+ was pretty worthless to me. I have since reaped the benefits with a Vita purchase and one or two games on the PS4 but that was never the intention of my purchasing PS+ at launch, a hefty discount with this game plus to be "connected" for my first year of ownership was the plan.
This isn't entitlement. The promises changed and the intentions of the PS+ version have altered. It's not our fault that they promised this, it's theirs. I don't understand the "OH BUT YOU GET A FREE GAME" bullshit, we don't. We get a demo. A nice demo, but a demo nonetheless.
I completely understand the frustration. Sony and Evolution should have been more clear about it and the connection to PS+. It was basically "Buy PS+, get Driveclub" ... then it turned into "Buy PS+, get a slightly less version of the main game Driveclub" ... now it's "Buy PS+, get a demo of Driveclub".
It does suck. Anybody who was in the DC threads or around the launch was very aware of how they were positioning DC to be part of the PS+ package. Now it's a glorified demo a year later. Even talks about Knack replacing DC for the PS+ game was talked about shortly because the DC PS+ 'game' was going to be delayed.
I'm still looking forward to the game, but the communication of what the connection was to PS+ could have been conveyed a lot better.
He's saying expect more of the DriveClub PS+ edition type games in the future, rather than the current trend.
He appears to believe Sony will scale back what PSN+ free games are.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
They've never marketed it as the full version though. At least once they actually got to talk and say what they meant which was pretty much since the beginning. This has been known since damn near the beginning.
Some of you guys are going far off the deep end over not even knowing all the facts.
Forza Horizon's demo was quite a bit more expansive than those examples.
Plus if you step outside of only racing game demos, then it's actually not that difficult to find demos that seem more on par with what DriveClub offers. Quake 3 Arena and Unreal Tournament both had demos offering multiple maps, all game modes, access to online, a good selection of characters etc. DriveClub's free version being more expansive than most demos isn't really enough to prevent it still being classified as a demo. There have been completely free demos of this scale before.
If this was just a freebie than I thing people would be looking at it differently, however it is in fact being offered as part of a service people are paying form, and likely in place of another game that would have been more complete. The closest comparison I can think of for DriveClub on current consoles is the new Killer Instinct, however you're not required to pay a sub to access this (or maintain access once you have it), and it actually provides free players with more of the games content overall, due to character rotations.
I don't really mind either way as I was always looking to purchase the full version as long as I liked the gameplay... but I don't think it's ridiculous for some people to be upset after having been told to expect "the exact same game, with maybe a few cars of tracks cut".
HueyFreeman
Banned
Was gonna buy the full version anyway.
I don't really expect full, AAA day of release retail games to be free on plus and anybody who does should probably think about that for a bit, cuz it makes absolutely no sense
But as usual I'm sure this will cause some upset
I don't really expect full, AAA day of release retail games to be free on plus and anybody who does should probably think about that for a bit, cuz it makes absolutely no sense
But as usual I'm sure this will cause some upset
Galactic Barret
Member
Do any feel like PS+ is a lesser service because of this? Or is the rage just for this demo?
I was just about to ask a similar question, as I am genuinely curious. For the many people calling this a demo, is there already a precedent set for a demo of this scale, especially within the same genre? I have never been big on demos, so I really don't have the point of reference that many of you do. What demos, this generation or otherwise, have matched this sort of scale?
Those two mean the same to me.
But there is no indication of this besides this one game and this is what they said would be released.
So if I am understanding him correctly, he thinks Sony will start releasing "PS+ Edition" games for PS+ on release date of the full versions. I highly doubt it.
it was never that. go watch that e3 conference video and they say ps plus edition of the game and not as black and white as get plus you get driveclub for free....
It's been a looooong time so I may not be remembering correctly. But Test Drive Unlimited?
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Hardly any. I'm still trying to find the reason to outrage over this of all news.
Both this and the 30fps thread are embarrassing to read.
Yea but he said "+", not Plus. YOU LOSE /sarcasm
TheActtionFigure
Member
The amount of entitlement in this thread reaffirms my belief that there is no hope for the Western world. A bunch of whiny children & sexless neck beards bitching about sizable free optional content. If you want more cars & tracks buy the fucking game!
This is going to make me sound old, but I remember how much fun I had with the free Daytona USA demo back on the Saturn. It was one car, one track, and one catchy tune. That's a fraction of what we're getting for free come this October.
This is going to make me sound old, but I remember how much fun I had with the free Daytona USA demo back on the Saturn. It was one car, one track, and one catchy tune. That's a fraction of what we're getting for free come this October.
Dr. Kitty Muffins
Member
This is one of those catch 22 situations. The playstation plus version was always destined to be called a glorified demo. You can't give us close to the full game because we won't upgrade. And giving the game free at launch won't help sales for this version or the sequel as gamers will expect the next one to be free. So this half measure comes out and people complain. Their intentions are good but they clearly misread things.
If Microsoft gives out the full version of Forza 5 for free on Xbox One to gold members, it will make Sony's PS plus offering look bad in comparison.
If Microsoft gives out the full version of Forza 5 for free on Xbox One to gold members, it will make Sony's PS plus offering look bad in comparison.
Goodacre0081
Member
I think calling this a demo is a little unappreciative. your looking at a new game being given out on launch day with all the features intact except for the full list of cars and tracks.
would you say the same thing if, at launch, PS+ came with a MP only version of Killzone with some guns/abilities locked behind the full version of the game?
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Awesome points minus the name calling.
MSFT is using as a crux to try and garner sales. DC is a multimillion dollar game that is coming in hot with some great features. I see no reason to give that away free and this version sounds more than enough to let people try before they buy.
People were calling it a demo last year as well.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=584241
Back when it was announced first:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=584241
Back when it was announced first:
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2013/08/20/driveclub-pre-order-bonuses-revealed/
Yeah it seams a prediction not based on much evidence.
But honestly it's hard to wrap your brain around the financials of all the giveaways. I get that it is promoting your product, and the idea is to in turn get people to actually buy games/movies/music whatever for it (since the product itself isn't that profitable).. but it's also attracting a certain type of really "cheap" customer who isn't necessarily going to do that.
One of the main tactics seems to be to give away games that have upcoming sequels for instance. Does that really work? I'm just not sure.. people who wait a long time to play AAA games are often deal hunters.. and they don't mind the wait.. if you set the precedent that waiting a year or so will nab you a lot of AAA games for free a lot of people will just keep waiting... "Thanks for the free Borderlands 1, I'll get Borderlands 2 for free in a couple of years."
You can end up with the reputation that your device is the "discount device".. and while that might net you a lot of extra customers, it may be customers who add nothing to your actual profits.. and you can end up with those who were willing to pay $60 for all games scaling back their purchases too.. because who wouldn't? So much for free.. no need to buy as many games.