Maidenpool?
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Not a bad move... the people at Sony realized they don't really have any system-movers this holiday season, so why not lock up the "better" Destiny?
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Destiny PS4 Timed Exclusives will last until "At least Fall 2015"
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TheOctodad
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I'm unlikely to get Destiny either, but this is just the last straw. My main issue with Destiny is, both as a Halo fan and as an FPS fan in general, I just don't think it looks particularly interesting. While there have been many positive impressions coming from the alpha, I often disagree with others' opinions (it's also worth noting that, with the alpha being exclusive to PS4, many of those impressions are coming from people who have never spent any significant amount of time playing Halo), and there's no way for me to check first hand unless I preorder (as someone with serious doubts, why would I?) or I get lucky with a beta code.
And then there's the Master Chief collection, which I know I'll be spending a lot of time with later this year. One would think that they'd be throwing all they've got into combating that, but no.
As a long time fan, I used to worry about Bungie getting themselves into a potentially dangerous position with Destiny - first with it being such a huge project, and such a long-lasting commitment to Activision, of all publishers; and then with it being so closely tied to a single platform holder - but the further this exclusive charade gets, the less I care. If Destiny fails to meet Bungie's and Activision's expectations, they have nobody but themselves to blame.
That said, I'd love to be proven wrong and swayed into supporting - and enjoying - Destiny.
Seriously?
I have a PS4 and I played every Halo game like crazy. I have even played Oni, Myth, and Marathon.
Bungie fans are not exclusive to the Xbox. And you are basically saying, "I have never tried it, but I probably won't like it." That's not even worth arguing with. You could literally use your argument as a reason not to buy almost every game.
MMaRsu
Banned
Yeah after reading through the article again I misunderstood the quote. My bad.
EL CUCO
Member
I'm unlikely to get Destiny either, but this is just the last straw. My main issue with Destiny is, both as a Halo fan and as an FPS fan in general, I just don't think it looks particularly interesting. While there have been many positive impressions coming from the alpha, I often disagree with others' opinions (it's also worth noting that, with the alpha being exclusive to PS4, many of those impressions are coming from people who have never spent any significant amount of time playing Halo), and there's no way for me to check first hand unless I preorder (as someone with serious doubts, why would I?) or I get lucky with a beta code.
And then there's the Master Chief collection, which I know I'll be spending a lot of time with later this year. One would think that they'd be throwing all they've got into combating that, but no.
As a long time fan, I used to worry about Bungie getting themselves into a potentially dangerous position with Destiny - first with it being such a huge project, and such a long-lasting commitment to Activision, of all publishers; and then with it being so closely tied to a single platform holder - but the further this exclusive charade gets, the less I care. If Destiny fails to meet Bungie's and Activision's expectations, they have nobody but themselves to blame.
That said, I'd love to be proven wrong and swayed into supporting - and enjoying - Destiny.
Meme worthy.
Also, have you not noticed that many PS4 users that played the Destiny alpha did at one point have or still do own a 360 and played plenty of Halo
LukasTaves
Member
Yeah, this is completely the opposite of what Ms does with CoD. Obviously Ms are evil because it does so only to leave content out of competing platforms, Sony is just helping promoting a game Bungie or Activision wouldn't be able to hype otherwise.
How is this any different than what Ms does with CoD?
ElRenoRaven
Member
Meme worthy.
Also, have you not noticed that many PS4 users that played the Destiny alpha did at one point have or still do own a 360 and played plenty of Halo
Yup many of us actually come from Halogaf. You'd be amazed at how many who have had tons of time with every single Halo game played during the alpha.
I'm unlikely to get Destiny either, but this is just the last straw. My main issue with Destiny is, both as a Halo fan and as an FPS fan in general, I just don't think it looks particularly interesting. While there have been many positive impressions coming from the alpha, I often disagree with others' opinions (it's also worth noting that, with the alpha being exclusive to PS4, many of those impressions are coming from people who have never spent any significant amount of time playing Halo), and there's no way for me to check first hand unless I preorder (as someone with serious doubts, why would I?) or I get lucky with a beta code.
And then there's the Master Chief collection, which I know I'll be spending a lot of time with later this year. One would think that they'd be throwing all they've got into combating that, but no.
As a long time fan, I used to worry about Bungie getting themselves into a potentially dangerous position with Destiny - first with it being such a huge project, and such a long-lasting commitment to Activision, of all publishers; and then with it being so closely tied to a single platform holder - but the further this exclusive charade gets, the less I care. If Destiny fails to meet Bungie's and Activision's expectations, they have nobody but themselves to blame.
That said, I'd love to be proven wrong and swayed into supporting - and enjoying - Destiny.
i am a hardcore halo fan. i can't tell you how often i played through all it's games. i read every book and spend so much money on it. i love it.
and after playing the destiny alpha..halo looks boring for me. i won't buy an xbox one anymore, because i would have bought it only for halo.
this is of course my personal opinion, like you have yours
I'm in for the PS4 version, but Indications seem to be that there's plenty of game even without this stuff. I wouldn't dwell on it too much tbh, it's going to be a great game no matter where you play it.
My general feeling about exclusive DLC, timed or otherwise, is that if it's enough to actually make any real difference as far as the whole of the game is concerned, somebody dun fuckt up.
My general feeling about exclusive DLC, timed or otherwise, is that if it's enough to actually make any real difference as far as the whole of the game is concerned, somebody dun fuckt up.
If only the platform holders had enough capable first party developers to create actual exclusives than to need to entice third parties with bags of money to produce what-seems-to-be trivial exclusive content to differentate from their competitors.
The likes of Activision, EA and Ubisoft must be dumbfounded at the money-in-hand requests
ps3ud0 8)
Stripper13
Member
I'm unlikely to get Destiny either, but this is just the last straw. My main issue with Destiny is, both as a Halo fan and as an FPS fan in general, I just don't think it looks particularly interesting. While there have been many positive impressions coming from the alpha, I often disagree with others' opinions (it's also worth noting that, with the alpha being exclusive to PS4, many of those impressions are coming from people who have never spent any significant amount of time playing Halo), and there's no way for me to check first hand unless I preorder (as someone with serious doubts, why would I?) or I get lucky with a beta code.
And then there's the Master Chief collection, which I know I'll be spending a lot of time with later this year. One would think that they'd be throwing all they've got into combating that, but no.
As a long time fan, I used to worry about Bungie getting themselves into a potentially dangerous position with Destiny - first with it being such a huge project, and such a long-lasting commitment to Activision, of all publishers; and then with it being so closely tied to a single platform holder - but the further this exclusive charade gets, the less I care. If Destiny fails to meet Bungie's and Activision's expectations, they have nobody but themselves to blame.
That said, I'd love to be proven wrong and swayed into supporting - and enjoying - Destiny.
I for one, have played a fucking ridiculous amount of Halo over the years - including at least 20 days worth of multiplayer/slayer playtime in Halo: Reach and Halo 4 each.
The 3 days of Destiny Crucible I got to play was by far the most fun I've had in a shooter since probably Halo 2 or 3. It's not perfect - but it's a fresh twist on the Halo mechanics and feels amazing even during 'Alpha'.
Anyway - my point is, a lot of people who own PS4's and accessed the alpha, were also Xbox owners and Halo fans (anecdotal I know - but the group of 5 friends I had on Destiny were all ex-360 owners). More importantly however, I don't think Bungie has much to worry about. The alpha was ridiculously polished and I'm certain the game will be amazing.
Not a Jellyfish
but I am a sheep
Getting this for PS4 so this doesn't bother me, question I have is if it is only this initial content or will this cause content on both platforms to be staggered.
Example, PS4 has this exclusive content for a year, over the course of that time will Bungie be releasing identical content on all platforms or will the other platforms simple have to wait that year period before receiving any content.
Example, PS4 has this exclusive content for a year, over the course of that time will Bungie be releasing identical content on all platforms or will the other platforms simple have to wait that year period before receiving any content.
Wildarmsjecht
Member
Business decision.
Makes the platform holder's current fan base even more satisfied knowing that the games coming out for their system are better than the ones coming out on the other system (cosmetically, extra features, etc.) Even if its the same title.
Those same people that the platform holder is pleasing with these deals will further run tell that to their friends and associates and it will further enhance the notion that the best place to play is on that system. Timed exclusive whether it be timed for a game or times for DLC are one and the same in that it allows a platform holder to prop their system up as a better system for this reason or that reason. People eat it up and if you're already in the ecosystem you have further details to share with your friends who would in turn by the system and tell their friends.
They're not thinking about creating a fair playground for everyone to get along in. They're trying to sell systems. They're making it more and more attractive and they're helping the people they already have playing their system tell more people about it.
They're also targeting the gamers who aren't on forums discussing the merits and morality of timed DLC, but instead see a cool commercial on TV and notice that its associated with their brand.
Is this what you expected gaming to become 15 years ago? Probably not.
But the signs were there all of last gen. 3 systems fighting for the dollars, 2 of which share a similar platter of Gamez. The one that can seperate itself from the other with what seems like a "better" deal or "more to offer" will look more appetizing and that's what helps the sales.
It happens. It works. And it will CONTINUE to work.
Don't like it? Don't buy the game associated with it.
Makes the platform holder's current fan base even more satisfied knowing that the games coming out for their system are better than the ones coming out on the other system (cosmetically, extra features, etc.) Even if its the same title.
Those same people that the platform holder is pleasing with these deals will further run tell that to their friends and associates and it will further enhance the notion that the best place to play is on that system. Timed exclusive whether it be timed for a game or times for DLC are one and the same in that it allows a platform holder to prop their system up as a better system for this reason or that reason. People eat it up and if you're already in the ecosystem you have further details to share with your friends who would in turn by the system and tell their friends.
They're not thinking about creating a fair playground for everyone to get along in. They're trying to sell systems. They're making it more and more attractive and they're helping the people they already have playing their system tell more people about it.
They're also targeting the gamers who aren't on forums discussing the merits and morality of timed DLC, but instead see a cool commercial on TV and notice that its associated with their brand.
Is this what you expected gaming to become 15 years ago? Probably not.
But the signs were there all of last gen. 3 systems fighting for the dollars, 2 of which share a similar platter of Gamez. The one that can seperate itself from the other with what seems like a "better" deal or "more to offer" will look more appetizing and that's what helps the sales.
It happens. It works. And it will CONTINUE to work.
Don't like it? Don't buy the game associated with it.
Sony is out there to promote the indies and Bungie is independent. I wonder if this DLC is handled via Sony's Pub Fund.
I'm unlikely to get Destiny either, but this is just the last straw. My main issue with Destiny is, both as a Halo fan and as an FPS fan in general, I just don't think it looks particularly interesting. While there have been many positive impressions coming from the alpha, I often disagree with others' opinions (it's also worth noting that, with the alpha being exclusive to PS4, many of those impressions are coming from people who have never spent any significant amount of time playing Halo), and there's no way for me to check first hand unless I preorder (as someone with serious doubts, why would I?) or I get lucky with a beta code.
And then there's the Master Chief collection, which I know I'll be spending a lot of time with later this year. One would think that they'd be throwing all they've got into combating that, but no.
As a long time fan, I used to worry about Bungie getting themselves into a potentially dangerous position with Destiny - first with it being such a huge project, and such a long-lasting commitment to Activision, of all publishers; and then with it being so closely tied to a single platform holder - but the further this exclusive charade gets, the less I care. If Destiny fails to meet Bungie's and Activision's expectations, they have nobody but themselves to blame.
That said, I'd love to be proven wrong and swayed into supporting - and enjoying - Destiny.
This statement here could not be more wrong. I would be willing to be money the MAJORITY of current PS4 owners were multi-console owners last gen (PS3 & 360) or switched from the 360.
I love Halo, played the shit out of every game and will be buying an XB1 this fall to play the MC collection. I played the destiny Alpha last week, and immediately fell in love. Destiny is everything you could want from a Halo game (Graphics, gunplay, and the bungie polish) along with the best parts of shared world games. I was not too impressed with all the marketing footage they released prior but after playing the game, I am 100% fucking sold.
Your post reeks of a fanboy who is just hurt because Bungie isn't making love with MS anymore and so is trying to come off as not interested. Saying someone who was a PS3 only owner can't give a valid opinion of a Bungie game? LOL come on dude.
ElRenoRaven
Member
I can understand the anger over it. I mean It does suck when any game locks content based on platform. I'd probably be pretty angry too if I was only getting it only on xbone. Luckily I'm not. I'm buying it on both. But I certainly can understand why some folks are angry.
Marvel
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How insulting, if I wasn't so lazy I'd show you my Halo swag. Jesus H Christ on a pogo stick.
The money and time I've spent on Halo with Xbox/360!
I don't agree with some of the people saying true Bungie fans would buy a PS4 for this game. I have been a big Bungie fan ever since I played Halo CE at a friends house back in 2001. As a result, I also became a Halo fan, along with all of my friends I game with. So going into this generation, we all decided to get an Xbox One in order to keep playing Halo and Bungie's new franchise. Destiny is shaping up to be the game I have always wanted (Halo mixed with mmo tropes), and now I feel that I am in a bad position of having to choose to play a lesser game in order to keep playing with my real life friends and family. I wouldn't mind owning a PS4 as well, but my friends wont double dip on consoles. :/
That being said, I'm not an xbox fanboy. In my opinion I hate all 3rd party exclusives, be it full games or just content, for either side. I wish MS and Sony would focus more on good first party content instead of blowing money on deals like these. I was ok with the early beta access and exclusive alpha for playstation. I would be fine with them getting exclusive guns, armor, ships, etc because all of that is just cosmetic. A year exclusive on a multiplayer map and a strike mission does sting a bit I will admit./saltiness
Nevertheless, I am still super excited to finally get to play Destiny next month! Still love ya Bungie!
That being said, I'm not an xbox fanboy. In my opinion I hate all 3rd party exclusives, be it full games or just content, for either side. I wish MS and Sony would focus more on good first party content instead of blowing money on deals like these. I was ok with the early beta access and exclusive alpha for playstation. I would be fine with them getting exclusive guns, armor, ships, etc because all of that is just cosmetic. A year exclusive on a multiplayer map and a strike mission does sting a bit I will admit./saltiness
Nevertheless, I am still super excited to finally get to play Destiny next month! Still love ya Bungie!
Nothing but hate for activision though
NoNoNoNoNo. GAF demands the fruits of competition. Just not, you know, these fruits. We're very particular.
Does a true Bungie fan really begin and end with Halo? The Myth games were pretty awesome too.John||V|| said:
Well said but you know people will still complain about it. Just an observation that I see MS getting more hate for doing it than Sony. Business is business.
You're absolutely right. I see no reason to champion the kind of competition that involves paying to make the product worse on other platforms.
Was thinking the same thing. Still not 100% sure if this is not a really subtle parody.
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My main issue with the whole exclusivity deal is the exclusive alpha (I don't know what the deal is with beta on PS4, but from what I know, it will be closed on Xbox One). I thought that much was clear from my post, but if it wasn't, I apologize. The game just doesn't look very appealing to me at the moment, and going by the impressions in the alpha thread, many people there also entered with low or lowered expectations, so I don't know why that point of view seems to be controversial to some of you.
And that's why I said "many" - not "all" or even "most". I believe that much is true, and that's just one of the reasons why spending some hands-on time with the game before committing to it is a must for me.
Kazuma Kiryu
Member
I'm unlikely to get Destiny either, but this is just the last straw. My main issue with Destiny is, both as a Halo fan and as an FPS fan in general, I just don't think it looks particularly interesting. While there have been many positive impressions coming from the alpha, I often disagree with others' opinions (it's also worth noting that, with the alpha being exclusive to PS4, many of those impressions are coming from people who have never spent any significant amount of time playing Halo), and there's no way for me to check first hand unless I preorder (as someone with serious doubts, why would I?) or I get lucky with a beta code.
And then there's the Master Chief collection, which I know I'll be spending a lot of time with later this year. One would think that they'd be throwing all they've got into combating that, but no.
As a long time fan, I used to worry about Bungie getting themselves into a potentially dangerous position with Destiny - first with it being such a huge project, and such a long-lasting commitment to Activision, of all publishers; and then with it being so closely tied to a single platform holder - but the further this exclusive charade gets, the less I care. If Destiny fails to meet Bungie's and Activision's expectations, they have nobody but themselves to blame.
That said, I'd love to be proven wrong and swayed into supporting - and enjoying - Destiny.
Don't worry, they won't fail expectations.
Xbox fans need to remember that it was their console manufacturer that started all this limited time exclusive DLC bullshit. Remember GTAIV? A franchise that had the majority of its fanbase on Playstation. Microsoft not only told the world at E3 that the next game in the franchise was launching on Xbox day and date with the Playstation version, but that also all expansion content was going to launch on X360 first. You think a few armour sets and loot is a big thing? Imagine hearing the GTA news as a Playstation fan.
Y'all need to remember where all this crap started from and send your thank you letters appropriately. Before Sony had ever began doing timed exclusive DLC, MS had already done it in big ways with Oblivion, and CoD. If you want someone to blame, there you go.
Y'all need to remember where all this crap started from and send your thank you letters appropriately. Before Sony had ever began doing timed exclusive DLC, MS had already done it in big ways with Oblivion, and CoD. If you want someone to blame, there you go.
Nightengale
Member
If you claim to be a Bungie fan, you should do your research.
Beta is available on all platforms. You get access to beta via preorder of the game or if someone shares a beta code. PS3/4 gets beta access 4 days earlier. That's all.
question has to be asked as to how the developer of Microsoft's biggest first party series is now making a multi platform game with long term exclusive content on the PS4? Something really went wrong in this relationship.....were Microsoft really pushing them to just keep on making Halo games?
Ray Wonder
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Most likely. I never thought they'd make a different game under MS. Just Halo for the rest of Halo's life.
What you know is wrong, the beta will be on the Xbox one as well. Come on, don't be angry if you don't at least do some research.
CassiusKnight
Neo Member
These timed DLC exclusives are horrific on all platforms and it's high time we as gamers let publishers and console-creators know that we won't put up with it.
ElRenoRaven
Member
As were the Marathon games and pretty much every Bungie game. Being a Halo fan does not make yourself a true Bungie fan. Vice Versa having played all their games doesn't make you one either. In fact I hate the term "True Bungie fan". What makes someone any more of a fan then someone else? Take me. I've played all their games and love them all. I wouldn't call myself any more of a fan then say Little Johnny 18 year old who only started with Halo when they were 7. They could be just as much a fan of Bungie as me.
To me a "True Fan" is a fan that will be honest about the things they like or don't about Bungie's games. They won't just go oh yea I love you Bungie and everything you make or every choice you make is the greatest thing ever. At the same time they will give them the benefit of the doubt and not just prejudge everything that a developer they like does because it's not the same as what they did last. That's just my opinion though. Hope that makes sense.
LastChance2Frag
Neo Member
i am a hardcore halo fan. i can't tell you how often i played through all it's games. i read every book and spend so much money on it. i love it.
and after playing the destiny alpha..halo looks boring for me. i won't buy an xbox one anymore, because i would have bought it only for halo.
this is of course my personal opinion, like you have yours
If you have read every book, played all the games and love Halo so much why would Destiny a completely different Game/Story/Universe stop you from buying Halo? I know your saying its your personal opinion but I find it hard to understand with the explanation of "Halo looks boring"
I'm looking forward to Destiny way more after the Alpha but I don't think an Alpha of any unreleased game could make me not want to play one of my favourite games anymore, Why would you have to make that decision?
Just interested how this has come about from your perspective...
Looks that way. Microsoft is very opposed to creating new IP. They have a cash cow in Halo and they are going to continue going back to that teat until it's dry. 343 will be making Halo games until the end of existence. Bungie made a trilogy and dropped the mic on a high note.
Nightengale
Member
Not really. If you think about it, it's a perfectly rational business decision.
Bungie has established itself among the 360 userbase. Majority of Halo players will know Destiny was made by the original makers of Halo. It's almost certainly going to sell very well among the Halo enthusiast, just by virtue of it being developed by Bungie.
OTOH, Playstation is uncharted territory. A lot more effort has to be put in to marketing for that platform due to many of them never experienced Halo. And Sony clearly wants the Halo audience on their console. Sony would aggressively promote Destiny with their own time/money, and Activision gets $$$ from Sony as well.
Killing two birds with one stone.
Sure, one can think of it as a 'betrayal' to not immediately prioritize your core fans on your first multiplatform. But Destiny isn't a mini pet-project. It's a multi-million dollar investment that is build and designed to be the next big thing in gaming, and it cannot afford to flub itself at its first outing. It needs to ensure that from day-one, the excitement for the game from both the MS and Sony crowd are strong, and the realistic way to do it... is ironically to emphasis marketing with Sony.
TheOctodad
Member
You are seeing what you want to see. The impressions were overwhelmingly positive if you took any time to read at all. There was even a poll done about what people thought about the game. If anything it should tell you that you are wrong. A lot of people "weren't impressed by the footage" only to play it and love it. Your opinion that "I probably won't like it, but I've never played it." Is just hilarious.
20 people on my friends list played Destiny Alpha. EVERY. SINGLE. ONE. of them had a 360 and were avid Halo fans. They all loved it and they all are planning on buying it for the PS4.
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I got my information from the Destiny website.
That doesn't sound like an open beta to me.
Oh, the irony... Please go back and read my posts with understanding. Yes, I know the reactions to the alpha are overwhelmingly positive. but that doesn't mean much to me since people often have overwhelmingly positive opinions of games that I don't find nearly as interesting. I need to try it myself before I become a convert. Or not.
Go to Amazon, pre order it, get the code emailed to you, apply it, get in,cancel the pre order, done. Lots odd people have done it.
Nightengale
Member
It was never an open-beta. The codes were either available via pre-order, or you get them through the grapevines of the occasional drops from gracious code-wielders and people with extras.
TheOctodad
Member
I'm not sure you are using irony correctly here but ok.
Totally get that you would want to try it out yourself. You should get an opportunity with the beta. Hope you enjoy it as much as many other people did!
*squints* Sony got some extras, that doesn't necessarily make it a worse product on other platforms.
But then, "more is always better" certainly would fit with the equally naive perception that "competition is always good" that's prevalent around here.
MMaRsu
Banned
Dude you are hella misinformed.
It's one map and one strike in a massive game. This is getting blown out of proportion. It's no different than any of the tiny amount of content Sony got from Ubisoft for AC IV or Watch_Dogs. You're still getting 99 percent the same experience.
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You were complaining about me not having read the alpha thread impressions, when it was in fact you who hasn't fully read my posts, or at least read them with understanding; you just saw what you wanted to see. Not that it matters much, but that's a school example of irony.
Thanks, that's my hope as well, even though I'm not seeing it at the moment, and I am bitter that Bungie has made it so hard for a lot of their fans to get their hands on the game early. I'm not ready to preorder, and I really don't like the practice of preordering, then canceling. My only hope right now is grabbing a beta code on Twitter or somewhere, since I'm sure that someone will be handing them out.
ElRenoRaven
Member
Don't worry. You have to play it to get it. You can watch video after video but once you play it you will get it. Now if you'll like it is the real question. The game is not going to be for everybody. It's just not. If it's not your cup of tea that'll be alright too.
Preordering and canceling is a breeze on amazon I don't see a real reason not to do it if you're interested in trying the game. Feels like you're just being a drama queen.
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