The atla wiki says:
Remember the episodes that would air with those tidbits that would pop up with useful stuff? I remember one of them saying he was a result of secret experimentation.
The atla wiki says:
I am afraid, I am not american, I don't really know what you mean.Remember the episodes that would air with those tidbits that would pop up with useful stuff?
I just hope it's not another revenge plot. I want Zaheer to have an actual philosophy that while flawed, you can understand his point of view. They could have done that with Amon, but nope. Even Unalaq could have had an interesting belief that it was wrong to keep the spirit and physical world separate. And while on the surface that is what he was arguing, he devolved into a crazy megalomaniac (he was always a cartoon evil villain even back to his youth).
Korrasami will NEVER happen. Let's face it, the bonding stuff between her and Korra was surface level and won't be revisited again. Asami is destined to be Makos housewife unfortunately.
I am afraid, I am not american, I don't really know what you mean.
Wiki has just this:Nick aired the entire series with popup comments from the creators of the show. It would talk about characters backstory, how they animated a particular scene (saying that the dance season in season 3 where aang teaches fire nation kids to dance was one of the hardest scenes o animate) and just general useful information.
During the last battle of combustion man I could swear that one of those tidbits say he was a result of a secret fire nation experiment.
Maybe you forgot the rumor part with the times.A rumor said that Combustion Man was a Fire Nation soldier injured in battle, who was later healed using experimental techniques and those experimental techniques gave him the ability to firebend using his mind.
I really really hope book 3 ends unresolved and on a bad note for Korra. This arc is far too epic to limit it to 13 episodes *_*
Wiki has just this:Maybe you forgot the rumor part with the times.
Ha ha nope everything is going to wrapped up with a messy bow and then book 4 is going to ignore the event of book 3.
Reaaally hoping that I am wrong.
Ha ha nope everything is going to wrapped up with a messy bow and then book 4 is going to ignore the event of book 3.
Reaaally hoping that I am wrong.
To be fair, does anyone deserve to live a life of punishment by being romantic with Korra? She was terrible for Mako's health. Asami can only be happy if she's single, or ends up with someone that is decent.
I would have suggested Bolin, but they decided to make him a stupid manchild. And his recent comments about Opal were kind...of douchey. So I guess all that is left is...Iroh Jr? lmao Dude seems like a stud, and from what I can tell, he's not a cheating/douche/asshole.
I like him in that, I think the guy is genuinely not an asshole. Out of everyone, I think he's probably got the kindest heart. But uh yeah...
Shipping is serious business. Best couple so far in the show is Zaheer and Combustion lady. Think about that.
But why go for a guy who looks like a stable human being with maturity when you can go for douchey Aladdin who shoots fire.Iroh Jr. is love. <3
Too bad he's been giving like no screen time but he's voiced by Dante Basco so that's a point in his favor.
They already had the green light for Book 4 before starting/in the early phase of working on Book 3 (sorry, my memory is a bit hazy on this stuff). Meaning they could actually plan an overarching arch, not like Season 2 which completely caught them off-balance.
Remember the episodes that would air with those tidbits that would pop up with useful stuff? I remember one of them saying he was a result of secret experimentation.
So guys, I have a question that's been kind of eating at me for a while now:
How does Korra work as a female protagonist for you guys?
Note that I am not asking if you like her as a character or even if you think that she is a good character. That's not what this is about.
I'm more thinking along the lines of 1. Representation and 2. power fantasy.
For the first thing, it's no secret that female characters, too often, get the complete shaft in media. This goes double in male dominated genres like action. So, Korra is a very unique case of having it happen, especially in a cartoon. I can't think of too many other action cartoons, movies, and shows that star a female not just as a main character, but as THE main character.
So does Korra, simply by virtue of being female and an action badass, work as a character in the minds of children, both boys and girls?
I ask this because I'm wondering how Korra works as a power fantasy. There is an element of power fantasy to most works in general, imo, and it's commonly assumed that power fantasy doesn't happen when the viewer is male and the character female. I find that it's a real problem because it is one of the big things preventing females from getting properly represented in the first place. A Wonder Woman movie can't be made because studio execs can't comprehend how can guys possibly take a female superhero seriously, however badass she is? We have a quote from Brian that said something along the lines of "The boys didn't care that Korra was a girl, they just cared about that she was awesome.", but I'm curious as to how widespread that belief actually is. Now, I obviously disagree that Korra is awesome because of writing issues, but is the fact that Korra simply exists, is female and also 'badass' in the sense that she has a lot of power and fights bad guys, or is in other words a representation for badass females, a good thing by itself?
I'll have to think about that and come back with a serious reply. But I generally think Korra is a poorly written character. In terms of gender representation, I'm not sure. I've always had trouble with this. For instance, people use to assume that a female that kicks ass and is an action hero equates to equal representation. But then it will get heavy criticism because the female character is basically the male archetype character just a female swapped in.
I think the "Avatar" archetype allows for either gender to fill the role. And in that sense I think it does a good job allowing either gender to be that role. But I can't say the show has entirely dealt with issues from a gender specific perspective either. I would say for the most part, Korra isn't entirely gender specific, if that makes sense?
Maybe I'm completely wrong though. I will say, I don't like how the show has females enacting violence against men as a joke. For example, Korra constantly flying off the handle emotionally on her partner, going from one end of the spectrum and being verbally abusive...and then her using violence at his work place. Or Bolin being abused by Eska. I don't think that sort of thing should be played up for laughs, and it bugs me that it's okay when the gender is swapped.
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As a teacher, we often examine gender roles and stereotypes in terms of motivating our students. I teach at the high school level, by the way, just for reference.
What's interesting is that Aang and Korra are almost anti-stereotypes. Korra is focused on the physical. She physically intimidates a judge. She has trouble with the spiritual aspect of being the avatar, and in this case spirituality is analog to the emotional aspect of the psyche. Korra wants to fight you. She talks with her fists.
Aang, though, prefers communication to physical conflict, and connects with his spirituality (emotions) much more easily. Consider "The Great Divide". Could you imagine how Korra would have handled the conflict between the two tribes? She would have probably trapped the two chiefs in some sort of prison and forced them into a resolution.
"If you two don't come out of that cave with some sort of peace and stop your arguing, you'll have to deal with me!"
So, as a female protagonist, she works because she's not typically female. Her gender, other than the romantic subplots, isn't thrown in the audience's face. Really, this is true of quite a few of the main characters in the series. Gender is part of who they are, but not all of who they are.
I like this analysis.
The creators tried too hard to make Korra the opposite of Aang, I suppose.
I don't get the hate for Korra. I personally like her character way more than Aang's with his annoying holier-than-thou attitude.
Why I dislike Korra comes from all the lost potential with her character. I loved that she was the opposite of Aang, because that could have led to so many interesting developments and interactions.
But they don't do anything with it except 'oh she can't learn air bending because she's too hot headed. And she doesn't listen to people'. She still relied too heavily on her friends, and has to be saved more often than not. (usually for reasons that make no sense)
Korra should have been an instigator; I was enjoying her interactions with the Triads and the police in the beginning for example. But then she just goes for the ride and does nothing except romance plots. And then wins everything because she's the main character.
(I get that it's because they thought they only had 1 season to work with, but apparently season 2 isn't much better)
She didn't have a character beyond being 'not Aang'.
And I hate Asami because she is 'lost potential' x infinity, plus being a prissy perfect little girl. I was desperately hoping she would pull some double agent thing, but nope, she is just that. But she took self defense classes guise
Mako is just an annoying nothing that just wastes time with forced romance and love triangles.
Bolin is the best character in the series, and I don't even like him that much.
Admittedly I've only seen season 1, might force myself through season 2 because apparently season 3 handles it all better.
But whenever I think about getting into season 2, I remember all the people complaining about the love triangle, and then Asami pops up, and just ugh.
a prissy perfect little girl.
the fuck are you
the fuck is this
what kind of bold faced lie
not you admitting you didnt even watch past episode 4
i cannotttttt
Rift Part Two was pretty good.The subplot with Toph's father acting like a brat is stupid, though. Yangchen being a badass is always welcome.
ch... the audacity to call her a prissy perfect girl after shes had literally the shittiest life humanly possible
im disgusted
So guys, I have a question that's been kind of eating at me for a while now:
How does Korra work as a female protagonist for you guys?
Note that I am not asking if you like her as a character or even if you think that she is a good character. That's not what this is about.
I'm more thinking along the lines of 1. Representation and 2. power fantasy.
For the first thing, it's no secret that female characters, too often, get the complete shaft in media. This goes double in male dominated genres like action. So, Korra is a very unique case of having it happen, especially in a cartoon. I can't think of too many other action cartoons, movies, and shows that star a female not just as a main character, but as THE main character.
So does Korra, simply by virtue of being female and an action badass, work as a character in the minds of children, both boys and girls?
I ask this because I'm wondering how Korra works as a power fantasy. There is an element of power fantasy to most works in general, imo, and it's commonly assumed that power fantasy doesn't happen when the viewer is male and the character female. I find that it's a real problem because it is one of the big things preventing females from getting properly represented in the first place. A Wonder Woman movie can't be made because studio execs can't comprehend how can guys possibly take a female superhero seriously, however badass she is? We have a quote from Brian that said something along the lines of "The boys didn't care that Korra was a girl, they just cared about that she was awesome.", but I'm curious as to how widespread that belief actually is. Now, I obviously disagree that Korra is awesome because of writing issues, but is the fact that Korra simply exists, is female and also 'badass' in the sense that she has a lot of power and fights bad guys, or is in other words a representation for badass females, a good thing by itself?
I liked that they made a female Avatar the main charácter, that of course separates her from Aang and is a big risk in general to have an action cartoon protagonist be a girl, but of course, her charácter has several issues and can be annoying also, my sister dislikes Korra because she is very much like a boy, and too masculine. i guess Korra was written like a boy anyways, what do you think?
I don't get the hate for Korra. I personally like her character way more than Aang's with his annoying holier-than-thou attitude.
I don't get the hate for Korra. I personally like her character way more than Aang's with his annoying holier-than-thou attitude.
Well, that's the thing. If they make a female character that is "aggressive" and "muscular", then they are seen as being masculine and being a male archetype. However, my issue with that is...why can't a female be those things? There is nothing stopping a female from gaining muscle, and having an aggressive personality. And given she's the Avatar who does a lot of physical training, I don't really see why that's an issue.
But those that would criticize this, would say that she should then have gender specific qualities or problems that are specific to the gender. Failure to have that incorporated in the character or the story, means she's not really representing a gender. And is instead just a character, that happens to be female.
I'm not arguing that. It's just an argument I've seen from academic/feminist areas. Which is why I'm having trouble tackling his question, as I myself don't really know what is good female representation (although I have an idea of what is bad). I admit I'm ignorant when it comes to that. That's why whenever we have these kind of debates, I'm always willing to listen to what others have a say on the matter. Specifically, I would like to hear what females think on the subject (as me being male does kind of make it difficult, I totally admit that).
Not sure if we have any female posters in this thread, but if we do (don't want to single you out or anything), but would be curious how you feel about Korra (in terms of representing female characters).
Yeah fair point. Well, I don't know if she's had the shittiest life possible... she lost her mom in a horrific way, which then made her lose her father (who basically became dead inside). And then her fathers betrayal tarnished her entire family's name, and legacy making her an outcast.
She's a had a pretty rough life. I would not call her prissy. Even when she first met Mako, there was nothing to indicate she was prissy (I mean, is going to a fancy restaurant an indication of prissy?) I don't think so.
As a teacher, we often examine gender roles and stereotypes in terms of motivating our students. I teach at the high school level, by the way, just for reference.
What's interesting is that Aang and Korra are almost anti-stereotypes. Korra is focused on the physical. She physically intimidates a judge. She has trouble with the spiritual aspect of being the avatar, and in this case spirituality is analog to the emotional aspect of the psyche. Korra wants to fight you. She talks with her fists.
Aang, though, prefers communication to physical conflict, and connects with his spirituality (emotions) much more easily. Consider "The Great Divide". Could you imagine how Korra would have handled the conflict between the two tribes? She would have probably trapped the two chiefs in some sort of prison and forced them into a resolution.
"If you two don't come out of that cave with some sort of peace and stop your arguing, you'll have to deal with me!"
So, as a female protagonist, she works because she's not typically female. Her gender, other than the romantic subplots, isn't thrown in the audience's face. Really, this is true of quite a few of the main characters in the series. Gender is part of who they are, but not all of who they are.