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[……forgetit]

Pretty sure this is because the 3DS isn't powerful enough to run them both at once.

 

[King_Moc]

Is it eating into the OS' RAM?

 

[Graphics Horse]

I guess we can expect this for other hardware intensive old 3DS games going forward. ....If there are any still coming.

Is it eating into the OS' RAM?

Seems so, must be a new firmware mode that opens it up for games.

 

[Blizzard]

It's actually not necessary. All that does is post the pics from your SD card to the internet, you could take the card out and put it in your computer for the same effect.

Are they unencrypted with Smash 4 though? In Brawl, they were compressed JPEGs and used some random encryption. I helped make a tool to decrypt those ages ago, but it would be different if a new encryption scheme is used.

 

[foxuzamaki]

Ok, this is beyond dumb.

Do we know yet if in-game screenshots and replays are in a readable format?


They should have made the game with the current RAM in mind.

Why would it be beyond dumb? It makes perfect fucking sense

 

[BlackJace]

Oh wow, that's some shit. Hopefully this gets patched or something.

 

[Kouriozan]

Good news for the Wii U version then, phew.

 

[frankie_baby]

Ok, this is beyond dumb.

Do we know yet if in-game screenshots and replays are in a readable format?


They should have made the game with the current RAM in mind.

They did, they just chose to steal the ram from the web browser and miiverse and give us a better game

 

[UncleSporky]

Is it eating into the OS' RAM?

Yeah as posted on the previous page, the 3DS has 64 meg of RAM for games and 44 meg for multitasking programs like Miiverse and the web browser. They decided to consume that extra 44 megs as well so the game has more to work with.

For comparison, the Wii had 88 megs of RAM for Brawl, I can understand why they'd need more than 64 for this game.

 

[sörine]

So Nintendo's giving devs more horsepower / shrinking OS resources?

 

[MarcoZombieCannon]

Sounds like they're eating into the OS reserve. Kinda sucks.

Edit: and I thought the 3DS kept 32mb in reserve, not 44? What is my life.

 

[Mpl90]

It's basically similar to Ocarina of Time 3D. Remember, guys? When playing that game, Online functions were completely disactivated on the platform.

 

[zroid]

I'm OK with this since it appears they are trying to get all they can out of the 3DS hardware. Dat 60fps 3D makes it worth it.

Also now I want my New 3DS even more! 2015 is some bull shit.

 

[Starwolf_UK]

Wait for Nintendo to release an old3DS-exclusive app to share pictures on Miiverse rofl.

The themes firmware may have it (there is a Y button shortcut with a symbol of a rectangle and a photo, it could be screensohts...I can't see it being the theme shop)

 

[C.Olimar788]

I can't complain, I won't miss posting screenshots on Miiverse if it means a better game overall. Plus there's still the Wii U version which presumably won't have this problem.

 

[InsaneZero]

Oh wow, that's some shit. Hopefully this gets patched or something.

It's not going to get patched. This is a tradeoff for performance, and it's highly unlikely that this game can get significantly more optimized than it is now to make OS functions available again.

 

[King_Moc]

Yeah as posted on the previous page, the 3DS has 64 meg of RAM for games and 44 meg for multitasking programs like Miiverse and the web browser. They decided to consume that extra 44 megs as well so the game has more to work with.

For comparison, the Wii had 88 megs of RAM for Brawl, I can understand why they'd need more than 64 for this game.

Fair enough then. Miiverse was borderline unusable on it anyway.

 

[Bytes]

Oh wow, that's some shit. Hopefully this gets patched or something.

Just as soon as they patch in more RAM.

 

[Nibel]

Is it normal that Miiverse can't run when a game is running? Never have used it on my 3DS as far as I remember. Also, what about Twitter?

 

[RM8]

Oh wow, that's some shit. Hopefully this gets patched or something.

They can't really patch more RAM into your 3DS.

Also, it'd be cool if more games would this trick to perform better, I think.

 

[UncleSporky]

Are they unencrypted with Smash 4 though? In Brawl, they were compressed JPEGs and used some random encryption. I helped make a tool to decrypt those ages ago, but it would be different if a new encryption scheme is used.

If they are viewable in the 3DS album, independent of the Smash Bros program, they should be in the same format as photos taken by the 3DS camera and screenshots of other games like Animal Crossing New Leaf. If I remember correctly they are just jpgs/mpos (mpo is the standard 3D jpg format, it contains 2 jpgs, one for each eye).

 

[Jaded Alyx]

Pretty sure this is because the 3DS isn't powerful enough to run them both at once.

I would have thought this the obvious reason but...

 

[Orniletter]

They did, they just chose to steal the ram from the web browser and miiverse and give us a better game

I honestly think this is the way to go . Cut some non-vital features for the sake of a better game (how many % more RAM are we talking about ?).

It sucks for those who wanted to post a lot of screenshots on Miiverse on their o3DS though.

 

[BlackJace]

It's not going to get patched. This is a tradeoff for performance, and it's highly unlikely that this game can get significantly more optimized than it is now to make OS functions available again.

Lame. Sacrifices had to be made to maintain optimal performance, I suppose.

 

[InsaneZero]

Is it normal that Miiverse can't run when a game is running? Never have used it on my 3DS as far as I remember. Also, what about Twitter?

Miiverse and internet browser are available for most games, yes.

 

[Roo]

Vanilla Smash Bros. keeps delivering lmao

 

[Diddy Kong]

Annoying, but I'm starting to feel confident that n3DS is going to be the bridge to a proper account system with cross buy across the consoles.

 

[Trike]

Then how does Sakurai post them to Miiverse?????

 

[spindashing]

i'll gladly sacrifice miiverse for 60 fps.

the game itself has a screenshot tool so it's not like there's no way to get pictures.

I took a moment, and now I take back what I said earlier in this thread in support of this.

 

[Kyou]

Then how does Sakurai post them to Miiverse?????

He's been using a New 3DS the entire time! *twilight zone music*

 

[captmcblack]

Ultra-non issue.

The 3DS retroactively got a gimped but functional version of Miiverse placed into it anyway, due to low memory. The machine just doesn't have the oomph to do the game, online, Miiverse/photo sharing and NFC/Amiibo at the same time.

I'm sure there'll be plenty of photos of Wii U Smash, and there'll be plenty of photos of 3DS Smash once the new 3DS comes out.

 

[rekameohs]

I'd rather have a smooth game than some extra feature that I'll rarely ever use, so I'm fine with devoting that previous memory to the game. Blame the original 3DS release for having way too little RAM.

 

[frankie_baby]

I honestly think this is the way to go . Cut some non-vital features for the sake of a better game (how many % more RAM are we talking about ?).

It sucks for those who wanted to post a lot of screenshots on Miiverse on their o3DS though.

About 70% extra ram

 

[GRW810]

Well, they kept that bombshell quiet.

 

[sörine]

They should do this for Wii U. Give back some of that 1GB.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

Future-proofing is a silly concept, you don't know what you need until you need it. Miiverse wasn't even a thing when 3DS came out.

this is no excuse man, you can ask a company to think a few years ahead and save you the need for many hardware upgrades

unless Nintendo wants to give us a new hardware every year they should at least try to think ahead a bit.

Miiverse had to be in the works, Amiibo had to have been a thought

when they finally merge portable with home console I would hope they think a few years ahead or bring back those hidden upgrade ram ports they use to have in hardware.

 

[Exile20]

So now the 3DS is losing features so the n3DS can gain exclusive ones? This is bullshit.



Don't worry, Nintendo isn't trying to sell a new Wii U. The Wii U miiverse is safe.

Wow at this post. Just wow.

 

[clay_ghost]

It's like Sony allowing developers to use 333mhz for the old psp at the expense of battery life. Hope more game will make use of this, hopefully most just disabling the Internet browser but not miiverse.

 

[Vanillalite]

Still say this just shows how long in the tooth the OG 3DS hardware is and the need for a real successor say next fall vs this stupid 3DSi half step.

 

[Golden Darkness]

Well you can post the screenshots captured in-game to twitter or other image sites no problem: https://twitter.com/VOOK64/status/510454588764213248

You may not be able to post screenshots in Smash to Miiverse but you can get them off the SD card. pic.twitter.com/4oL1jOO3Pw

 

[Chindogg]

Sure. Have improved graphics on the n3DS instead of a feature that's been standard on the 3DS for quite a while now.

You mean eight months?

 

[Coffee Dog]

I'm fine with this, though it sucks. Reminds me of gravity rush on vita or OOT3D.

 

[Mr-Joker]

Man Smash Bros 3DS is going to push my launch model 3DS to the limit.

Anyway not being able to use Miiverse or the web browser while Smash Bros 3DS is running doesn't bother me, they were too slow in the first place.

Just as long I can somehow post the pictures onto the Twitter I am fine.

Now Game Freak blocking pictures for Pokémon X and Y is stupid and I don't get why they did that.

 

[Rolodzeo]

Why don't program a custom screenshot code that you can run in pause mode? I mean, just dump the framebuffer, can't be that hard and omg can't eat that much ram. Nintendo smh.

 

[SigSig]

About 70% extra ram

Wow. Then prefering Miiverse over the additional RAM is absolute madness.

Why don't program a custom screenshot code that you can run in pause mode? I mean, just dump the framebuffer, can't be that hard and omg can't eat that much ram. Nintendo smh.

From what I've read, exactly this is the case with Smash 3ds. Oh, I think I misunderstood your post.

Well you can post the screenshots captured in-game to twitter or other image sites no problem: https://twitter.com/VOOK64/status/510454588764213248

Also, this.

 

[UncleSporky]

Well you can post the screenshots captured in-game no problem: https://twitter.com/VOOK64/status/510454588764213248

Awesome, glad someone confirmed this.

I hope this goes in the OP/title so people know there is a workaround.

 

[rekameohs]

Well you can post the screenshots captured in-game to twitter or other image sites no problem: https://twitter.com/VOOK64/status/510454588764213248

So now this is completely a non-issue.

 

[Mr Swine]

Why don't program a custom screenshot code that you can run in pause mode? I mean, just dump the framebuffer, can't be that hard and omg can't eat that much ram. Nintendo smh.

So you would rather have the game being gimped by using 64MB of ram instead of 108MB? And by doing that they would have to delay the game a bit just to try it out

 

[Rolodzeo]

Wow. Then prefering Miiverse over the additional RAM is absolute madness.



From what I've read, exactly this is the case with Smash 3ds. Oh, I think I misunderstood your post.



Also, this.

Well, that makes more sense.

 

[frankie_baby]

They should do this for Wii U. Give back some of that 1GB.

The Wii U just needs some heavy duty optimisation, surely 6 web tabs and miiverse shouldn't take up a whole gig