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The Evil Within PC Info from Bethesda
- Thread starter fantomena
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Isn't the XB1 all DDR3 thinking about it? Why do we need the 4GB ofVRAM?
Oh yeah, that was only ok (too short). I wasn't a big fan of Shadows of the Damned either, but I blame Suda51 for that. His hit rate is way, way above most other well known developers.
Crimsonclaw111
Member
A good game at higher fps is always better.
It really does.
Yeah, that caught my eye too.
fluffydelusions
Member
Can you name a few games that are better at lower fps?
It is. The real reason developers recommend 30fps is because they couldn't get game running past 30 on consoles, and now don't have any interest in doing extra work for PC version. PC platform is meant for customization. If you like 30fps sure but let me have my options, and I'll see myself if 30fps cinematic experience is better or not. Regarding this game, just look at that bull crap statement. 8gb on consoles, so 4+4 on PC. Fuck that. And we'll provide debug commands for unlocked frame rate but do that at your own risk. Fuck that as well.
stufte
Member
But developers dictate how you experience their games in all sorts of ways that we have no say in, why shouldn't 30fps be any different?
I like most of my games in 60fps (especially racing games) but if 30fps will create a better, cinematic mood, why not?
UnrealEck
Member
Shadow of Mordor reccomends 6GB.
And its a current gen game. + the 6GB is for the optional Ultra HD texture pack. Last gen version is being done by a whole different company, ported down from current gen
Because the 30fps = cinematic thing is bullshit.
IcyRhythms
Member
I don't feel 30FPS vs 60 in ANY game has created a more cinematic feel, mood, or experience.
Again, PC is meant for customization. 30FPS in 2014 on the PC is just unaccetable.(or at the very least inexcusable)
Lactose_Intolerant
Member
I'm pretty sure that's a fallacy created by someone with too much time on their hands. TEW on XB1 when i played it was difficult to control and aim. The framerate played a big part in that.
It also runs on a 1GB 5770 though.
... For an ultra texture pack not included in the base game. Your point?
Because I actually like gameplay. 30fps is sluggish and makes the game feel less responsive for me. This has nothing to do with a vision and everything to do to get the game to run on consoles.
And screw this cinematic talk. I can't wait for movies to finally take the plunge into smoother framerates too. I'm tired of archaic minded people thinking that films need to run at a low ass frame rate. Why not go back to 12fps like silent films had if you want that OG cinematic feel? I can't wait for a new generation of people to grow up on something other than 24fps films. This is getting annoying.
Visualante2
Member
Not buying this one then. Can't really afford it, but that processor requirement makes a difficult decision an effortless one. Maybe in a couple years when it's $5
I think 30fps does feel more cinematic.
Which makes it nicer to watch sometimes but always more frustrating to play.
After like 15 minutes of playing you forget about the lack of cinemaness and just appreciate the increased responsiveness and visual info (at 60 fps).
If they have s really solid and consistent 30fps that feels smooth, I can deal with it since it's not exactly a fps. But if I can't get it to run 1080 or one notch below I will flip tables.
Which makes it nicer to watch sometimes but always more frustrating to play.
After like 15 minutes of playing you forget about the lack of cinemaness and just appreciate the increased responsiveness and visual info (at 60 fps).
If they have s really solid and consistent 30fps that feels smooth, I can deal with it since it's not exactly a fps. But if I can't get it to run 1080 or one notch below I will flip tables.
Krusenstern
Banned
Gstaff, is that your alt account?
UnrealEck
Member
It's on last gen too. Same as Evil Within. That's what I am asking him. How are you concluding it's a current gen game? What criteria are you using?
But fair enough that it's a texture pack, but it also draws me back to my point before. It's likely due to megatextures.
Crimsonclaw111
Member
You'll be fine. See: Wolfenstein.
Also, King_Moc, we seem to share tastes. Outside of the game's issues on Xbone, how was it?
stufte
Member
haha, guys, calm down. I'm not trying to convert you or anything. 30fps does wonders for me when a game is cinematic, sometimes the fluidity of 60fps breaks me out of the game and makes it feel too "gamey". I know most of you guys won't agree, but there it is.
Zomba13
Member
If you think less smooth = cinematic then why not play the game locked at 15fps or something? That's like twice as cinematic as the devs intend. That'd be Oscar worthy!
MickeyKnox
Member
Going faster than 30fps is only a "problem" when a development team is myopic enough to tie elements of the game logic to that framerate. So whatever fucking design decisions lead to your game being best experienced at a sub-par technical level are BAD decisions and I'm sure as shit not gonna pay anywhere near full price to see what if any good design elements exist in spite of that. There are plenty of other games I can spend that money on.
fluffydelusions
Member
The PC performance thread should be glorious.
As pointed out by the person you're responding to, the last gen version is an afterthought being done by a whole different team. But yes, the fact that it runs on last gen means it's not 100% current gen, so is your point that the requirements will get even more steep when last gen versions stop being dolled out?
UnrealEck
Member
My point being, how are you concluding it's a current gen game? What criteria? That's just an additional texture pack. What criteria is used to conclude that a game is current or last gen?
the popcorn stench will last for days.
Well shit:
About a year ago I paid like $250 for a 760 2GB when I built my new computer. Since then I've played only a handful of games that actually put the thing to use.
Now I look up the prices on 4GB cards and I find now I could have gotten basically the same model with 4GB for the same price I paid a year ago for 2GB... just as real next-gen games are starting to come out.
God damnit.
What I hope happens is my 2GB lasts me another year.
About a year ago I paid like $250 for a 760 2GB when I built my new computer. Since then I've played only a handful of games that actually put the thing to use.
Now I look up the prices on 4GB cards and I find now I could have gotten basically the same model with 4GB for the same price I paid a year ago for 2GB... just as real next-gen games are starting to come out.
God damnit.
What I hope happens is my 2GB lasts me another year.
Crimsonclaw111
Member
Popcorn, or the salt?
I don't agree it makes it nicer to watch at all. Even seeing Gamersyde footage of Ryse at 60fps is glorious and so much better than at 30fps. And that's about as 'cinematic' a style of game as you can get.
stufte
Member
60fps didn't help the hobbit any. In fact, I'd say it made it worse
But I digress, I'm not in like-minded company. I'm all for the option for 30/60.
That's cool. Some people argue that 900p is sometimes better looking than 1080p, too.
<shrugs>
Framerates in movies/TV work differently than in games.
Leafhopper
Banned
I am not saying you are wrong for believing in that but that statement never ceases to bug me
We are taking about game here. 60 fps is more to do with response and fluidity.
That's because people don't like change. The moment you get a generation that is used to smoother framerates, they'll wonder what the hell people were thinking back in the day.
I could only play chapter 9, but it felt pretty clear that this is basically a survival horror Resident Evil 4. Some more supernatural looking elements to it, and the enemies felt more threatening though. Ammo seemed like it's going to be pretty scarce, I was having to run away a lot. This is where the zoomed in camera screws you over. The FOV is so narrow, it's difficult to turn and run towards something with any degree of accuracy.
I'm pretty convinced that if the PC version can get round these issues, it's going to be stellar though.
Krappadizzle
Member
I've got my fingers crossed, cuz the game definitely has a ton of potential.
Crimsonclaw111
Member
Thanks for the impressions. Hopefully more camera options means FOV changes or hacks.
You're right too, it's hard for me to explain. I like seeing 60fps more than seeing 30fps. Makes me happy of course to see all that extra info.
Could be talking out my arse but maybe it's to do with your brain filling in less of the info itself when at 60 as opposed to 30...in a sense makes it less immersive - but then the increased agency balances that back.
I noticed this especially when I was trying to get the best settings for watch dogs - it was super noticeable, drop from 50->40->30 increased cinematic feel :S
I never prefer 30fps, always 60. But there's something there with the cinematic feel. Not that it's worth it.
What's hard to understand about UI elements? You can argue about the merits of keeping UI elements on the black bar but they give a very specific reason why they did it. Even the aspect ratio is non-standard. They wanted to control how the game is being interacted with.
MickeyKnox
Member
Because you're arguing about a technical matter wherein one thing is factually inferior to the other, it's not a matter of opinion or taste.
AND even if it were, arguing against allowing for performance overhead is fucking dumb because you can cap your frame rate at the driver level if you wanted to.
fluffydelusions
Member
Isn't the Witcher 3 currently using something like 1-2gb vram?
IcyRhythms
Member
You're talking about developers who know PC very well.
Thanks... Here's the video.
That was quite a challenge actually, id-tech5 just hates my system. My poor old i7-920 (OC'd to 3,6 GHz) is getting strangled by the streamig and my R9 290X never did perform well with id-tech5 (that's probably because AMDs neglegt of OpenGL however). And that recording-software also takes a heavy toll on my framerate (dropping it by 50% or so), so I had to drop the quality quite a bit to get some high fps.
With +toggle com_synctotime the framerate is unlocked, but now the games speed is dependent on them. So if they go over 60, the game becomes faster, if they drop below it gets slower - it's really challenging to aim that way
I recommend trying for youself, it's quite hillarious. It may be hard to judge by the video, but it's really going bananas.fluffydelusions
Member
True. Also if CBOAT is correct about external studio working on the port, do we know who it is?