Its good to have re-conformation since the original contract had this game as a timed Xbox exclusive.
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Rumor: Destiny DLC Plans leak. Major addon "Comet: Plague of Darkness" coming sep. 15
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Its good to have re-conformation since the original contract had this game as a timed Xbox exclusive.
Kor of Memory
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Not new, per se. More than in the original contract Destiny was supposed to have released 12 months before it actually came out. So it was safe to assume any other dates or details were subject to change. Sure you could guess that everything else just shifted back 12 months as well, but it's nice to see something more solid.
Jest Chillin
Member
You have to remember that WoW didn't have that pricing structure all the time. The only reason they do that now is precisely because there are so many expansions now that new players would absolutely be overwhelmed with purchases. Battle Chests function as a way to make that easier.
Destiny could easily do a "GOTY" type of release that would function the same way. Leading up to a Destiny 2, Bungie could put out a Destiny Essentials disc for $20-30 bucks (like a greatest hits pricing basically) and have it include Destiny and most if not all of the DLC included. Characters being backwards and forwards compatible.
Which they could do with the example I've just listed. Players who start the series with Destiny 2 could level to max within Destiny 2 entirely and, if they wanted to, pick up the Destiny 1 Essentials disc to experience that content. Or they could choose not to.
They were done making Halo
firehawk12
Subete no aware
I guess Halo fans are lucky.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
I wonder how they'll pull that off.
Since Cata I haven't had to pay for a previous expansion. And if a player jumps in now, then they got a shitload of content for buying into the battlechest. Blizzard is doing it right, I think, in terms of handling previous content.
Kor of Memory
Member
Meh. I certainly don't feel lucky with anything 343 has contributed yet.
I feel like we're getting way off path here. We're comparing a game that just got it's first content patch, with a game that is about to hit puberty. Instead of playing the 'what if' game, why don't we play a round of 'wait and see'.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
The more I think about The Dark Below as a 20 dollar expansion, the more incensed I get about how little Bungie thinks of their most dedicated fans.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Because man, Bungies played with my emotions too much. All these highs and downs from Alpha to Beta, then with the final release they kicked me in the nuts after I enjoyed it for a long time.
This is IMO the core thing that most people who don't like Destiny are complaining about.... Myself I am thrilled about what Destiny is and so happy it is not a Halo clone.
User 479360
Banned
I sold Destiny because I had no interest in replaying any of the on-disc stuff after beating it and the first two expansions sounded lame. That said, I may pick up Comet if it ends up being great (and if it includes the base game).
BreezyLimbo
Banned
To be honest, when I started playing uh, Destiny, I simply saw it as a Halo clone with MMO aspects..
Jest Chillin
Member
I explained how they could do that in a previous post. As for paying for the expansions... How many years after Vanilla WoW before that happened? 5 or 6? Destiny isn't even 6 months old yet. And console games already have a precedent of re-releasing old games with DLC included. However old content in Destiny won't be a requirement to play in order to "catch up." It was required in WoW until they offered the free level up scrolls and alts still have to play old content to level if I'm not mistaken as you only get 1 instant leveling scroll.
Sword Of Doom
Member
I don't think the $20 I spent for TDB was worth it. You can break it down however you want but it just feels like a rip off to me. The moment I launched the first mission and realized I was playing the same areas with new enemy spawns.
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Honestly now that this information is kind of out there even in rumor form, I would prefer Bungie to step up and own it.
I have been on the outside looking in on the Dark Below and House of wolves, and while I have enjoyed the game I feel like I can wait until comet if I can get a better deal.
Or just tell me that I will be taken care of when Conet comes by getting the first 2 DLC now.
I don't expect them to say anything, and honestly I expect them to fuck all Destiny players going forward because that seems their MO lately. I enjoy the game I am just wary to commit any more to it.
I have been on the outside looking in on the Dark Below and House of wolves, and while I have enjoyed the game I feel like I can wait until comet if I can get a better deal.
Or just tell me that I will be taken care of when Conet comes by getting the first 2 DLC now.
I don't expect them to say anything, and honestly I expect them to fuck all Destiny players going forward because that seems their MO lately. I enjoy the game I am just wary to commit any more to it.
Kor of Memory
Member
To me it's more like they took the Halo engine (i.e. movement, enemy ai, gunplay, etc...) and dropped it in a new universe.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
You're looking at the content itself. I'm looking at how they treat their players.
Every other Daily mission, which is required if you need ascendant materials, is DLC only.
In the first month, two of the Weekly/Nightfalls have been the terribly designed Omnigul strike.
To do the only Strike playlist worth playing, Roc, you need to own the DLC.
Destiny is an MMO and these expansions are their way of getting a monthly fee. That's fine, except the fact that I'm being forced to replay the same content over and over again is just a reminder than there is nothing to do in the new DLC.
That's even before they address any of the quality of life issues with the game that most other MMO designers would actively address in content updates. Heavy ammo glitch? Still there. Glimmer cap/mark cap? Still there. Have to go to Tower to see your vault? Still there. Your vault is so small that you can't even hold one of each exotic in the game? That problem is still there.
Instead, they spend their time fixing "exploits" that affect a small number of people rather than improve the game for everyone who plays it.
Even though I bought the season pass, if my friends stop playing after Crota, I'm willing to write off the 15 dollars as a loss and call it a day.
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Deleted member 17706
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I imagine by the time Episode 4 is out, the whole game will finally be a package with a decent amount of content.
Looks like Activision and Bungie just figuring out how to charge ~$200 to the most hardcore audience for a video game with some ongoing support and updates.
I already sold off the base game, but I'll happily check out the inevitable "complete edition."
Looks like Activision and Bungie just figuring out how to charge ~$200 to the most hardcore audience for a video game with some ongoing support and updates.
I already sold off the base game, but I'll happily check out the inevitable "complete edition."
Kor of Memory
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I'm sure you finished the first mission, and got to the new* area at the end of it.
The second and third missions had totally brand new areas to them.
Okay, legitimate question. How much do you feel like the following is worth?
New Raid
New Strike
New Multiplayer Map
*I realize the grottos were in the game prior, but they were not utilizes in any way.
Yeah. Seems like there was a fuckton of turmoil during development so bad their story lead left the company.
10 bucks at most
Sword Of Doom
Member
I don't think it's ok to take content away from paying customers because that's exactly what they did once TDB came out. Whatever model they're trying to use they should be upfront about it. I did not go into this game thinking expansions were going to be mandatory.
There was no new area at the end of the first mission. It's the Grottos which has always been there.
And there isn't a formula for what is worth it and what isn't. I just know that in this case the DLC is not worth it for me. We can argue for days about it if you want
BreezyLimbo
Banned
I fucking hate that heavy ammo glitch.
Also, I haven't played since before the Dark Below was released, but are they seriously alternating between DLC/Non-DLC weekly/daily stuff? Holy shit that sucks for people who don't pay for the DLC.
ArkhamFantasy
Member
I would say about 5 dollars, and they need to remove radiant materials from the game, they are a malicious attack on the player and makes everything outside of Crota's End a waste of time.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Here's the thing. I'm sure if you break it down in some dollars to maps kind of way, there might be some value.
But when you are forced to play The Wakening or The Warmind over and over and over and over and over again, you are reminded that there are only two missions in the DLC. The fact that Undying Mind is Black Garden backwards and Omnigul makes the Valus Ta'aurc strike look fun and you can't help but see a content problem.
The only PvE content worth playing is the raid, and that's only worth doing once a week because of the reward structure. And even then, it's broken to fuck so that no one actually plays the raid properly.
If you don't own the DLC, you might as well not play the game. You literally can only participate in half of the events available each month, especially if they keep the same schedule next month.
If Omnigul shows up twice in January as a Nightfall/Weekly, then Bungie can just go screw themselves.
Edit: I can only imagine what a clusterfuck it will be when House of Wolves launches. At that point, I assume The Dark Below content will be outdated and you will be playing the same House of Wolves missions over and over again.
Kor of Memory
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I don't normally like to do this, but in this specific instance, I can't see an easier way to address each of your points.
Bungie has addressed the heavy ammo glitch multiple times. Deej has talked about raising the glimmer cap. Being able to access your vault anywhere, while nice, isn't necessary to fix. You had enough space to hold every exotic in the game before the DLC came out. They've also said they are working on that as well.
Fixing exploits is just as important as adding features. They go hand in hand. Not fixing an exploit is a great way to kill your user base, just like not adding features is a great way to bore your user base. Both things are required, and whether you see it or not, both things have been happening since release.
You're exaggerating. It hasn't been every other day. Twice a week at most, and the DLC is still pretty new. Chances are it will normalize in a couple weeks.
"Terribly designed" is an opinion. One which I do not share. Similar to above, chances are this will normalize after the DLC as been out for a few weeks. Right now, Bungie wants DLC customers to feel they got their monies worth.
Simply not true. You can still run Vanguard Tiger and still get plenty of drops from it. The only flat reward difference is a single engram for completion.
You're being dramatic. Yes the game has repetition, but that's been like that in the beginning. Buying almost any DLC is buying more of the same.
Bungie has addressed the heavy ammo glitch multiple times. Deej has talked about raising the glimmer cap. Being able to access your vault anywhere, while nice, isn't necessary to fix. You had enough space to hold every exotic in the game before the DLC came out. They've also said they are working on that as well.
Fixing exploits is just as important as adding features. They go hand in hand. Not fixing an exploit is a great way to kill your user base, just like not adding features is a great way to bore your user base. Both things are required, and whether you see it or not, both things have been happening since release.
Sword Of Doom
Member
And also knowing that I will probably have to re level all of my exotic weapons and will have to replace my legendaries in only 3 months just makes me not want to touch this game anymore. I Mean they are just stretching what little content there is with so much grinding that it's sickening
I think comparing Destiny's paltry DLC to the sheer amount of content added with every major WoW patch is ludicrous.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
I got the Ghost Edition, I own both expansions. That's how much I needed to quit this thing. It was like crack to me-I shouldn't be playing it, but there I was.
I feel once the Wolves xpac comes out, they'll rotate between Vanilla-TDB-Wolves content.
Kor of Memory
Member
Ingueferroque
Banned
Why are we upset again? I can't keep up re: Destiny.
There is a game that is like that. It's called "Halo 5:Guardians".
Kor of Memory
Member
I'm assuming you aren't actually reading my posts at this point.
Sword Of Doom
Member
Most of what we say here is opinion and I agree with Firehawk. And they are taking content away from people who paid for a game expecting a weekly nightfall/heroic that they can play. You can spin it however you want but that is a fact.
The Vanguard ROC drops exotic weapons the way Vanguard Tiger used to. They are not the same thing. You can't run the Vanguard Tiger expecting exotic rewards at the end anymore.
no 10 bucks at most for the dark below.
you can burn through all of the content in less than 10 hours.
The weapons, you can't even earn or buy - they're RNG drops on top of the existing loot table.
Comparing a $15/month subscription based game to a standalone one-time purchase DLC is ludicrous, but people still do it.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
I half expect it to have him say 'Well you shouldn't be on random drops to get good gear'. The amount of times people used this defense...
Ever since their lead story guy left in the middle of development, yeah.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
I am the crazy hardcore person who not only has a Platinum in the game, but stays up at reset in order to do the Eris Bounty glitch. Trust me, every three days been a DLC Daily. I don't know if it stopped this week since I'm not playing the game at the moment, but it was really noticeable when I was play the game every day.
Not that I go into the Destiny thread much these days, but I bet you no one had fun fighting Omnigul with no burn in the level 30 weekly this week. Either you cheese by going into that small room, or you fight a terrible battle of attrition while the game spams you with knights and wizards.
That engram is the only reason to play the strike playlist thought. The marks are not a reward unto themselves, since you can hit the cap easily if you just do your dailies.
It's worse now because they are only repeating DLC content. I really didn't notice because at least before, there was a pool of 5 strikes to rotate between for weeklies and 15 (or whatever) missions to rotate between for dailies.
The response has been "we're listening". Which isn't saying anything of any substance. This constant miscommunication, like how the exotic upgrade dropped a few days before they explained the new exotic upgrade system, only illustrates that they have a communication problem.
I look at it this way - they rushed to fix the Atheon exploit, but took months later to fix the Atheon teleport glitches. As someone who spent a couple of weeks trying to get Flawless Raider, trust me when I say that they really didn't have the right priorities at the time and still don't as far as I'm concerned.
I bet their first priority now will be crushing the Crota glitches rather than any real quality of life issues that players are demanding.
It's funny because I defended the VoG legendaries being made obsolete. What's new this time is that weapons require Radiant Energies, which take so long to get, that by the time you fully upgrade a weapon, you'll be turning it into shards when House of Wolves drops anyway.
I mean, it's not like you can keep those obsolete raid weapons in your already full vault or anything.
For me, it's been boiling over slowly. If House of Wolves really is just the same thing as Crota, at least I can free from the game. lol
Jest Chillin
Member
I think ignoring the inherent differences in everything from pricing model to patching is ludicrous. Like the fact that Devs/Pubs have to pay Sony and MS to patch and get those patches certified, while PC games don't have to do either.
When could you ever expect exotics from Vanguard Tiger? I never saw that playlist as anything more than an blue engram farm.
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