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I feel like I'm the only gamer that doesn't get Metal Gear Solid
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baphomet
Member
Because gameplay should be what the game is built around, not story. I hate watching cutscenes that remove control from me.
Why should I need to watch some D tier level story telling while playing a game?
Coffee Dog
Banned
Because the story makes the game better. And the game makes the story better. They're part of one experience.
I cant understate how much I absolutely adore the randomized recruit names in peace walker.
Damerman
Member
People shit on me for saying this but i never knew what mutually assured destruction was until peace walker. I also got to see How i learned to stop worrying and love the bomb(an absolutely brilliant piece of satire) because of the strangelove reference. If the games and stories suck, fine... But no one can deny the treasure troves of knowledge those games drop.
Bam Bam Baklava
Member
I feel you on MGS2. That story was straight up garbage and the Big Shell was a pretty crappy location.
MGS1 was purely amazing.
MGS1 was purely amazing.
NCR Redslayer
NeoGAF's Vegeta
Also good game storys help me remember the game better. I feel like i would have given up on max payne 3 if i didnt know why the hell he was in brazil and not new york shooting mobsters.
Isn't your account named after a power ranger?
nkarafo
Member
I also feel this way. I was never impressed with Metal Gear Solid on PS1... even the camera view (top view) felt archaic when most 3D games at the time had a much better viewpoint where you could actually see, you know, in front of you.
And then you have the long cutscenes ('im not a fan of cinematic games) and there you have it.
And then you have the long cutscenes ('im not a fan of cinematic games) and there you have it.
Night Hunter
Banned
I'm in the same boat. I tried to unterstand the story once, and it's just straight up bullshit with an interesting premise.
People seem to be confusing complicated and good.
People seem to be confusing complicated and good.
DJ_Lae
Member
I'm with you, I don't really get the insanity of the story and the gameplay has always felt awkward at best..
And man, I've tried to get into it. Played MGS, MGS2, Twin Snakes, MGS3, and could only hack maybe a third of MGS4 before I ran out of energy. Tried Peace Walker HD and absolutely hated it. Recently played through Ground Zero but that barely counts it's so short.
I'll probably try MGS5 at some point, too, though I have no idea why.
And man, I've tried to get into it. Played MGS, MGS2, Twin Snakes, MGS3, and could only hack maybe a third of MGS4 before I ran out of energy. Tried Peace Walker HD and absolutely hated it. Recently played through Ground Zero but that barely counts it's so short.
I'll probably try MGS5 at some point, too, though I have no idea why.
Give War A Chance
Member
Statement stands! MGS3 ends pretty amazingly though. I never was really able to get into Big Boss. Solid Snake's story is just so much better.
Kwansu Dudes
Member
I'm a MGS fan and don't understand anything/get it too but regardless, can't wait for MGSV.
Damerman
Member
This is some blasphemous heresy.
Yes, terrible. Let's throw in Vamp, an immortal character with no explanation into the mix. LA LI LU LE LO. fission mailed... Fortune not having any actual powers but believing that she did her whole life. Should I keep going?
There have been super natural elements since the first metal gear, though. I mean, mgs1 has a floating person who practices telekinesis.
LOL, this/
I love MGS and playing it is fun, but the story is nonsensical, overwrought garbage.
Rats Off To Ya
Banned
Are we naming awesome things about MGS2? I like this game!
Campbell's freak out, Otacon trying to be like Mei Ling, the handshake, Ocelot in every single scene...I could go on.
What a game.
Obviously, not every type of game is for everyone. You can name any top video game ever and there will be people out there who either don't like it or don't understand what the big deal is. But with that said, I think the main thing that loses players in the Metal Gear series is the story. People talk about how confusing it is so often that it's gotta be right up there with Kingdom Hearts for the most confusing video game franchise story. It's probably not that bad, but it's one of those games that you pretty much have to play every entry of the series and get immersed in the story to follow and remember all of it.
I don't even remember or follow the entire story, just a good portion of it. But for me, I enjoy the gameplay of the series and that's why I'm looking forward to TPP. Just give me that good tactical espionage action. Or... operations.
I don't even remember or follow the entire story, just a good portion of it. But for me, I enjoy the gameplay of the series and that's why I'm looking forward to TPP. Just give me that good tactical espionage action. Or... operations.
Pilgrimzero
Member
Is it ever explained why in MGS4 they make a point that going into the microwave corridor is SUICIDE! Yet, Snake it just fine. In fact he gets into a fist fight soon after.
And over using the combat drug is SUICIDE!!! Snake uses a bunch all at once (after just going through the microwave suicide corridor) and again is fine.
And over using the combat drug is SUICIDE!!! Snake uses a bunch all at once (after just going through the microwave suicide corridor) and again is fine.
baphomet
Member
Story scenes takes away from the actual game. If you can't tell a story during the gameplay, then you're doing it wrong.
MGS series in a nutshell:
Innovative gameplay that tries thing no other games did before.
Examples including: reading the memory card during a cutscene, being able to use the menus during the game over screen, killing a character through old age by not playing the game for a week, recording every enemy death and then make you watch every single one of them appear in a boss fight, having the guards peek over the bathroom stalls to see if you're hiding in there (MGS2, it blew my mind), guards reacting to team members not responding on the radio, etc.
Not to mention getting away with making a sequel literally the same game twice in a row and mocking the player for buying it. MGS2 was still awesome.
When it comes to the story, there are really some amazing moments, but without the character investment the moments don't hold up that well. But the fact that Metal Gear has such a style to how it's written, to the point where other games could just hope to emulate, that's part of why people like it. It's not the same-y "awesome dude saves the world" action story. It's weird, but memorable. It's supernatural, but not completely out of the realms of being unrealistic, at least with the technology. Don't ask me how The Pain could mind control hornets because I have no damn idea haha
Innovative gameplay that tries thing no other games did before.
Examples including: reading the memory card during a cutscene, being able to use the menus during the game over screen, killing a character through old age by not playing the game for a week, recording every enemy death and then make you watch every single one of them appear in a boss fight, having the guards peek over the bathroom stalls to see if you're hiding in there (MGS2, it blew my mind), guards reacting to team members not responding on the radio, etc.
Not to mention getting away with making a sequel literally the same game twice in a row and mocking the player for buying it. MGS2 was still awesome.
When it comes to the story, there are really some amazing moments, but without the character investment the moments don't hold up that well. But the fact that Metal Gear has such a style to how it's written, to the point where other games could just hope to emulate, that's part of why people like it. It's not the same-y "awesome dude saves the world" action story. It's weird, but memorable. It's supernatural, but not completely out of the realms of being unrealistic, at least with the technology. Don't ask me how The Pain could mind control hornets because I have no damn idea haha
Vamp was a pet project of the creator of nanomachines, Naomi as revealed in MGS4.
LA LI LU LE LO is what people under control of the system hear when you say Patriots. It refers to sounds you can't make in Japanese or something like that making it a word that can't be spoken. YOU DON'T DISCUSS THE PATRIOTS.
Fortune as with many other characters, actually had super natural abilities and didn't rely solely on nanomachines or the role the Patriots gave her even though Ocelot thought she did.
Coffee Dog
Banned
Watching cutscenes is part of the gameplay.
Prove me wrong without rendering the last of us not a good game.
Damerman
Member
Bwahahah! My exact thoughts. The S3 plan, fatman's back story, the kastatka chopper, Russian buzz cuts, high frequency blade.
Bam Bam Baklava
Member
A whiny main character who contributes nothing. Liquid's hand wtf bullshit. Solidus Snake aka the Snake who everyone forgets even existed because he was so pathetically lame.
Big Shell was such a boring place to spend so much time. Shadow Moses was fucking nice.
well that's not really explaining why those elements are somehow inherently bad
people like different things in their stories. it's crazy and fun and probably shouldn't be taken too seriously.
you can take it seriously and come to some pretty cool conclusions though.
Not saying I don't understand why people would hate it, though. That's okay. I get it.
Spyder_Monkey
Banned
Metal Gear is pretty easy to get at least in the big picture and most of its major plot points, characters and motivations are pretty easy to understand unlike say Kingdom Hearts for example. My solution would be read a wiki, play the games, and watch the numerous videos explaining the lore (Gametrailers did a good one recently). Going into MGS V you should be fine.
matrixman92
Member
honestly, while I DO understand the story, I dont really care for it. But I just find them to be really fun to play.
"Shoot Gunner"
This is such an annoying attitude. It can never be that someone just doesnt like the way something is done, its always gotta be that one is right and everything else is wrong.
Ok let me clarify... There are certain exceptions like the Mass Effect series, KOTOR series, Resident Evil 4, Zelda series etc. as they are games that have been able to pull me in with interesting worlds and characters. But for the most part it hard for a game to grab my attention like that, so games like Assassins Creed, Valkyrie Chronicles, Just Cause 2, or whatever I'll skip the shit out of.
I guess I just don't think Metal Gear Solid's story would be interesting enough to me is what I guess I'm trying to say.
Agreed. Lol, I just remembered that there was a boss battle with a guy planting bombs on rollerblades...
I know, fhere are countless examples of awesome names in the series. I could just keep going
Bam Bam Baklava
Member
Don't forget about the Ninja being Olga. Oh man, so amazing. Forget Gray Fox, that was some serious backstory she had as to why she chose to become a cyborg ninja.
Coffee Dog
Banned
Your lack of understanding is showing with your sarcasm. :^)
Frozenprince
Banned
Fucking hell just having the "OH SHIT IT'S VULCAN RAVEN! OH WAIT IT'S AN ACTION FIGURE! OH WAIT HOLY SHIT YOU CAN MAKE IT SHOOT PELLETS THAT'S AWESOME!!!!"
Sold me on the series forever.
Based Kojima for life.
lem0n
Member
It does absolutely nothing for me. Never has, never will I assume. Just not my cup of tea.
Holy shit I completely forgot about ninja Olga. LALILULELO stole her son so she became a ninja lol.
BRocknRolla
Member
This is such an intensely narrow view of what should constitute a video game.
Creators should have a the freedom to tell a story how they want to tell it without artificial strictures like the one you're suggesting.
Warablo
Member
I played through most of MGS1 thought it was interesting, but the games controls and long cutscenes, I just couldn't slog through any of the others.
Now Ground Zero comes along, it has good gameplay and decent controls, so I will definitely be playing through Phantom Pain.
EDIT: I played through Metal Gear Rising and thought it was fantastic even though I didn't know wtf was going on.
Now Ground Zero comes along, it has good gameplay and decent controls, so I will definitely be playing through Phantom Pain.
EDIT: I played through Metal Gear Rising and thought it was fantastic even though I didn't know wtf was going on.
Dangansona
Member
I almost made a sarcastic thread in response to this but figured that's not allowed. So instead of that, I will beg that you find a way to post your opinion next time that doesn't use the tired "am I the only one" line.
Frozenprince
Banned
It's almost like games as a medium can have any number of storytelling avenues available to them because of the way the medium is designed.
Bam Bam Baklava
Member
Ahh yes, the classic "you just don't get it!" defense.